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Speer Takes Much Different Approach than Hornady When It Comes to Police Ammo Sales

Speer Takes Much Different Approach than Hornady When It Comes to Police Ammo Sales
NYPD’s “Only Ones” will have no problem getting all the Speer ammo they want. You, not so much. (NYPD Facebook photos)

“The New York City Police Department recently awarded Speer with a long-term contract for its 124-grain, 9mm Luger +P Gold Dot Duty ammunition,” Vista Outdoor announced in a Monday press release. “This five-year contract, up to $18 million, reflects the company’s industry-leading technologies and longstanding commitment to excellence in manufacturing Law Enforcement ammunition.”

Speer Ammunition President Jason Vanderbrink elaborated on the contract:

“We are proud to support a majority of the nation’s law enforcement agencies and we will continue to focus on providing the best ammunition to their officers each and every day. We are honored to be the ammunition brand of choice for the nation’s largest agency, the New York City Police Department. Speer Gold Dot duty and training rounds have a 20-year history supporting more than 35,000 NYPD officers who protect and serve their communities.”

Those officers also enforce New York City’s draconian “gun control” edicts.

Consider the hoops a citizen must jump through just to apply for permission to own a handgun.

Take a look at the application and note the $340.00 and $ 89.75 are non-refundable should you be denied. If you’re not, prepare to wait up to half-a-year. And this is just to own a handgun – forget applying for a carry permit unless you’re rich, famous, politically-connected and/or all three.

But wait, there’s more. And since we’re drilling down further to talk ammo, consider:

“It shall be unlawful for any person not authorized to possess a pistol or revolver within the city of New York to possess pistol or revolver ammunition, provided that a dealer in rifles and shotguns may possess such ammunition. [and] It shall be unlawful for any person authorized to possess a pistol or revolver of a particular caliber within the city of New York to possess pistol or revolver ammunition of a different caliber.”

That means you would be arrested for “illegally” possessing Speer ammo.

And don‘t forget all New York State restrictions and bans apply, including on so-called (and thus demonized) “assault weapons.”

Now consider a very different approach taken with New York by another ammunition manufacturer, Hornady:

“While it may not make a difference to New York, Hornady will not knowingly allow our ammunition to be sold to the State of NY or any NY agencies,” President Steve Hornady pledged in reaction to Gov. Andrew Cuomo pressuring New York financial institutions to ostracize the firearms industry. “Their actions are a blatant and disgusting abuse of office and we won’t be associated with a government that acts like that. They should be ashamed.”

That’s the same approach taken by Ronnie Barrett, President of Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, after the LAPD, endorsed banning the .50 caliber rifle and its ammunition. He did the same thing with the State of California, Hawaii and New York.

It’s an approach more gun and ammunition manufacturers need to take if they expect Second Amendment defenders to choose their products over those of their competitors. All things being more or less equal in terms of performance and price, would you rather buy from someone who is “proud” to service those who would disarm you, or from someone who isn’t afraid to do the right thing and tell their bosses to shove it?


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David Codrea blogs at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance (, and is a field editor/columnist for GUNS Magazine. Named “Journalist of the Year” in 2011 by the Second Amendment Foundation for his groundbreaking work on the “Fast and Furious” ATF “gunwalking” scandal, he is a frequent event speaker and guest on national radio and television programs.



  1. Know this; Speer is a guppy swallowed by the Orbital ATK shark. Lake City and other ammo is produced by them for the Government. Every time we buy that 1000 pack of 5.56 over run ammo, we support their endeavors. There’s more and I suggest everyone go to their website to explore what they sell.

    1. No more Speer reloading supplies for this MARINE CORP VETERAN and retired LAWENFORCMENT OFFICER! Either support the constitution and honor your oath that you swore to or lay down your badge! You are a liar ! A liar will steal and cheat! We need HONNEST police officers not NAZI SS STORM TROOPERS!

  2. I have been a useing RCBS , CCI , Speer , etc for over 50 years , I will no longer use their products , and will BOYCOTT all of ATK’s others as I find them . I started using Hornaday when I found this out . Was just looking at RCBS Progressive loading press’s , NOT now . Thanks .. Keep up the great work !

  3. The significant difference between Speer as opposed to Hornady and Barrett is that Speer is owned by a corporate megalith that at its core is pro-government and anti-2nd Amendment. Hornady and Barrett are owned by families who champion the few rights and freedoms we have left in this country.

  4. I may have messed up my earlier message. After all, a message without solutions is hollow at best.

    It’s not the beat cop who needs to be disarmed, it’s the administrative and politicos that are out of whack. I personally believe it’s best to buy up that bulk ammo and place it in the public sector, or as I call it “We the Pee-On.” However, another solution that goes along with this line of thought, is to buy up Northrup Grumman (NOC) and give ourselves a seat at the table. Start becoming the decision makers?

    “Go from the mean streets of protest to the board seats of corporations.” It is, and has always been about “Control.” Most importantly, if the SHTF, have a backup plan that doesn’t include NOC to procure ammo.

  5. How being a capitalist makes you evil is beyond me. Speer makes a great product and is proud to arm our first responders. Gasp…the horror! Their 124 gr +p is in my rotation as one of my preferred carry loads and will continue to be. I abhor the politics and policies of the far left liberal states but won’t punish a company that’s in business to make a profit for supplying them. Hell if my customers quit coming to me because of my NRA and various firearm and hunting decals I’d be in deep doo doo.


    2. Brad, you need to realize something. There is a type of civil war going on in this nation. What Speer is doing, if this civil war was a shooting war, would be considered “war profiteering” by selling to both sides. Speer is doing what many consider despicable – even though they are “capitalists”. To try and compare that to some of your customers because of your NRA and Firearm/Hunting decals is not the same. The NRA and Firearm/Hunting organizations are NOT trying to eliminate, through denial of financing, the very existence of those other “capitalists” such as gun and ammo manufacturers. And those financial outfits that are doing it, they are based in and fully support the State and Local Governments who encourage and or push for enforcement of laws that compliment those monetary policies. Capitalism is in itself no guarantor of liberty and freedom sir. You can tell by the insidious groups of globalist financiers who are all “Capitalists” but, they only want it to apply to them, NOT to us, the “unwashed masses” who have no “need” to be armed. If you still don’t get it, go back and read about the American Revolution, and everything that led up to Lexington and remind me of John Hancock in the early days before he got “Woke”…

  6. I’m not going to quit using the RCBS Press and dies I bought 35 years ago but will refrain from purchasing their products in the future. They probably will not feel the effect of my boycott but I will. On the other hand, I’ll be supporting Hornady by purchasing their ammo and bullets for reloading and that will make me feel better.

  7. What’s really kewel though, in our Glorious Country, is the 1st Amendment right guaranteed by our 2nd Amendment right. FREAKING BEAUTIFUL! WHERE ELSE IN THIS WORLD? Strange things going on, however, makes me wonder WHERE DO THESE SO-CALLED WONDERFUL cops nationwide get off standing down in the face of clear and present danger to our Freedom Loving citizens. SUPPORT COPS THAT WILL DO ANYTHING AGAINST OUR LAWFUL CITIZENRY JUST TO KEEP THEIR JOBS? NOT! NO HONOR IN THAT! CRAPPING ON OUR CONSTITUTION IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE! So, Smith and Wesson management went down for 100% sale only to Clinton Operatives. So, SPEER, keep your head down, watch your bottom line, as it sinks into the abyss, while Patriots rally to your grave while you’re crying “But this is America, we can do what we want.” TRUE! FOR ALL!

  8. I normally like David’s work but I think he is missing the mark here. You aren’t going to make anyone freer trying to cut out the NYPD out of ammo purchases. You know the same agency that has faced the most terrorist attacks and lost the most officers in American history? Winning the hearts and minds behind the badges is a better and more pressing battle then this. If Jews could use German weapons to defend Israel as a young country then we need to remind ourselves of what our side always says- guns are tools and the goodness of their use lies in the hearts of the men that wield them. What other ammunition and weapons should we forsake because they are in the hands of a military fighting in one undeclared war after the other?

    Why doesn’t OK and some other civil rights groups buy up some equipment and start making common caliber rounds? I’d pony up some extra cash per box to see the free side “controlling the means of production”!

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