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Trump and Hitlery Debate – Coverage and Discussion

Tonight Trump and Clinton debated (I like to call her “Hitlery” or “the Hildebeast’)

The debate started at 9pm Eastern.  Let’s discuss the debate here, in the comments.  We will also post up some post-debate commentary and assessment.   But tell us what you think.   Oath Keepers members can also discuss this on our members only forum.

You can watch live streams online nearly everywhere, but why not watch some independent media source, so the mainstream media doesn’t benefit from your clicking on their site.  That’s what I’ll be doing.

Here is the link to a live stream on Inforwars:

Obviously, the number one question is will Hillary make it through the debate without having a seizure, passing out, or going cross eyed. We will see!

It may sound callous of me, but I am making a drinking game out of this, and whenever the witch glitches, or twitches, we will take a shot of whiskey.   If she doesn’t twitch, we will drink when she lies.  I expect to be in a coma within half an hour.




Stewart Rhodes

Stewart is the founder and National President of Oath Keepers. He served as a U.S. Army paratrooper until disabled in a rough terrain parachuting accident during a night jump. He is a former firearms instructor, former member of Rep. Ron Paul’s DC staff, and served as a volunteer firefighter in Montana. Stewart previously wrote the monthly Enemy at the Gates column for S.W.A.T. Magazine. Stewart graduated from Yale Law School in 2004, where his paper “Solving the Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status” won Yale’s Miller prize for best paper on the Bill of Rights. He assisted teaching U.S. military history at Yale, was a Yale Research Scholar, and is writing a book on the dangers of applying the laws of war to the American people.



  1. Trump is being waaaay too nice. He should be hammering her.

    For example, Trump should say “it happened on your watch!” as a quotable barb.

    And, when it comes to Trump’s money, he should say “at least I made my money myself, instead of foreign governments and Soros funneling money into a Foundation, like Clinton. I’m not for sale. You can’t buy me. Hillary? She’s bought and paid for by the Saudi government!” That’s what he should say.

    On Hitlery’s email scandal, Trump should have said “it wasn’t a mistake. It was a crime. You are a criminal! You should be behind bars, not running for President. You put lives at risk.” And, “you should be wearing an orange jump-suit, not an orange pants-suit.”

    Trump is being too nice.


  2. Now Trump is screwing the pooch. Stop and Frisk is a violation of the Fourth Amendment. And the answer is not to stop and frisk people without reasonable suspicion or probable cause, in the name of “taking guns away from bad people.” The answer is to let the good people carry guns. Chicago is a victim disarmament zone, where the armed thugs rule the streets, and anyone who tries to defend themselves is at risk of prison for carrying a gun. That is the clear root of the problem.

    And many of the cops will no longer go in to certain areas, leaving the people there without protection. They need to protect themselves and take the streets back from the thugs, themselves.

    Now let’s see if Trump agrees with the witch on the “no fly list” violation of the Second Amendment.

    Trump just went full-on authoritarian by agreeing with Hitlery on the “watch list” crap. I am on a damn “watch list” and I cannot even fly without permission from DHS. The airlines cannot give me a ticket at the counter without calling DHS. So if Trump and Hillary get their way on that, I will be made a “prohibited person” for starting this org (which is exactly why I am on that watch list – I’ve committed no crime. They just don’t like what I am doing with Oath Keepers).

    Anyone can get on a watch list for nearly any reason, and dozens of agencies can do it, and there is zero due process. And good luck getting off of it. So he is in favor of violating the people’s right to bear arms, without a jury trial, and allow the government to strip any American of that essential, fundamental right, with zero due process? And then you have to go through a beaurocratic nightmare to try to get off of it?

    Trump is wrong on this, and is advocating a violation of the Constitution. Trump is tone-deaf on this one, and is just going to piss off patriotic gun owners who understand this issue. And that is a large block of voters. Not good.

    If Trump wants to make America great again, he needs to make it constitutional again. Plain and simple.

    1. “I am on a damn “watch list” and I cannot even fly without permission from DHS.”

      Congratulations Stewart! That is a badge of honor because it means you are doing things right, meaning constitutionally.

      I gave up flying the day the TSA was put into position. IF the TSA is there, except on OUR roads, I do not go. Being on their “no-fly” list, being on their “watch list”, etc are all showing that you are KEEPING your Oath. Thank you.

      Notice all the “lists”? Sound like some lists you heard of studying history? Meet the “new way of removing those who stand for our LEGITIMATE government. Not sure if you have seen the next way to just grab people off the streets they want to remove created by the CDC? ( )

      God Bless and Stay Safe All

      If there were never intended to be action to defend the Constitution from those who are domestically attempting to destroy its power and authority, why would each Oath require it of those who take the Oaths?

      Chief Tecumseh: “When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.”

  3. Early in the debate, when Trump said she had no economic plan, her response was, “I have a plan. I wrote a book about it. You can pick it up at the bookstore tomorrow”. So this crazy witch wants us to pay her for her plan?

  4. He lost hugely. The 1st? Lester Holt asked (prefacing with distorted “facts”) could have been answered wonderfully by someone prepared. You mean those census jobs where people were let go and rehired repeatedly in order to boost your favorable numbers? The low wage no future jobs being gifted to new residents almost exclusively? IOW, he could have made his points with proven facts countering the bias in the initial question and his opponent. When Hillary went on her litany of anti-woman remarks made by Trump all he had to say was “bimbo eruption” several times so the young ‘uns go home and Google the term. He was so off it hurts. He just looked like hardened arteries. Dailymail has a shot where Ivanka looks to be trying to hold her face together. After the media was saying that he was rude with his facial expressions and nothing about HERS! He never even learned Roberts rules of order? And what was with them wearing the colors of the other party? Appears to be more at play than I have time to delve into. Call me heartbroke.

    1. Sorry to be rude, but screw Roberts rules of order. If any candidate for any position cannot name what type of government we have here in the USA; what branch that position they are running for (or getting hired for, or contracting to/for) is in; what are the constitutional duties assigned (to the branch, to the office) that they will be occupying; what are FORBIDDEN to those who serve within our governments or ONLY ALLOWED to them if certain circumstances are met, and enforcement carried out in the specific named-in-writing way; what the Ninth Amendment means and some things that is covered under but not named; what the Tenth Amendment means, particularly the words after the “or” then they should be disqualified from even running.

      At this time we do NOT have elections, we have election fraud. At this time our government is in grave danger from those very people who are “running for office” and those already “serving” within our government. Until We the People of the united States start running our elections as those who serve within our governments have proven themselves to not be competent enough to even limit fraud to a county or two instead of it existing and happening in every state throughout the state, until we quit believing the myth we stand in great chance of losing her.

      When she is gone, pretty much every person that was a “useful idiot” and/or “just followed orders”, “just did their jobs” will find themselves in grave danger, because history shows us that they are always killed, imprisoned, often experimented upon (20th century).

      Basically it is stand for our nation or fall.

      1. Agree, yet for a man trying to prove Presidential temperament bad form isn’t really an option – just saying.

  5. Myriad lost opportunities in a target-rich environment makes me truly wonder if D.J.Trump IS the ‘controlled opposition’ I expected he was when I heard he was entering the fray! Hell, a sixth-grader with a laptop could come up with more ammo against the ‘Crime Family’ than what we witnessed. OF COURSE the “Lamestream Media’ is in the Clinton’s pocket because she has no compunction against helicoptering other people’s money in exchange for FAVORITISM.

    “You have the blood of Chris Stevens on your hands. YOUR HANDS. You could have saved them.”

    Done deal.

    Ed in Phoenix

    1. Agreed Ed. She says she has experience. Sure she does. Like the experience of watching men fight and die on a drone video feed, while she did nothing to help them. Just like she had the experience of sitting and watching women and children burn at Waco. She has tons of experience. Trump really could have hammered her mercilessly on all of that.

  6. Tonight we just heard Trump agree with Hillary on “no fly, no buy.”

    It scares me that so many in the liberty community like Trump. He endorses stop and frisk, and no fly, no buy.
    Every single person in this thread could have their 2nd, 4th, and 6th amendment protection revoked by an extra judicial list. How is that Constitutional in the slightest?

    I hope this opened a lot of eyes tonight. Also, as an individual, a person does not have to vote for trump just because hes not Hillary. If that’s the main reason for voting for trump, vote Gary Johnson. But please, don’t vote for someone who will wipe his ass with the Bill of Rights, just because he’s not Hillary.

    1. It’s not just “no fly, no buy.” It would not be limited to the no fly list, but would apply to ANY of the “watch lists” that are used by government, and nearly any beaurocratic weenie, in nearly any agency, can put you on it, and you won’t even know it happened until you went to buy a gun.

      For example, as I stated above, I am not (yet) on a no-fly list, but I am on a “harass and don’t let him fly unless we approve it, every time” list. I have to stand there at the ticket counter, sometimes for up to half an hour, while the ticket agent calls DHS to let them know I am trying to fly somewhere, and they have to wait for someone on the other end to approve me to fly. Each and every time, since May of last year. That is also, obviously, a watch list that I am on. And that is how I know. I also have a two or three day wait whenever I buy a gun. I am never approved on the same day, like other folks. They always come back with a hold.

      And why? Am I under indictment? No. Am I a felon? No. Am I dishonorably discharged? No. I served honorably. Am I a member or a supporter of a terrorist organization? No. Do I attend a radical cleric’s Mosque? Nope.

      But I did found Oath Keepers, and I am the national president of this org. And I have attended Chuck Baldwin’s Liberty Fellowship church in Montana. So, apparently that is enough to flag me under this regime. And the same would happen under Hitlery.

      I am a DISSIDENT against the regime. That is all And that is enough.

      And you can bet that once the door is opened to using such lists to strip an American of the right to bear arms, it will be applied to an every growing, every wider, scope of people. Christians, libertarians, constitutionalists, veterans, patriots, critics of the left, critics of the sell-out Neocon right, critics of the Federal Reserve, critics of the UN, etc.


  7. Was as i expected really. Hillery with lies on top of lies with no “Real” Rebuttal form Trump.(was it really even Hillery out there) It is clear Trump could care less about the Constitution and thinks he is a one man show.Reminded me of watching a Saturday night live skit.We lose with either one.What really scares me is that so many patriot,conservatives are on board with Trump and his Mussolini style. Trump wins we conservatives and patriots get blamed for the collapse and still get a police state.Hillery wins and we get…… hard.Pure Theater…With bad actors.

  8. Trump is a retard and Clinton is a criminal. Johnson is a one worlder. I do not see any choice at all for president. I will go and vote but I will write in a candidate. For those of you looking for a clear and solid choice, May I bring to your attention my cat LUNA.? She is cute and fuzzy and sleeps all day which means she will get more done than any other candidate. Or perhaps Garfield or BUGS BUNNY? All top notch choices compared to what we have now.
    It will be Trump or Clinton. Either way….We loose. Stock up folks because come November, Its all over for America no matter who gets in. Patriot Nurse has some very good insights. Giver her a listen and prepare.

    1. I think I’ll just write-in “Alfred E. Neuman”.

      AE for Prez

      We’ve tried just about everything else possible, and unless Alfred E. Neuman gets into the White House, there can be no solution to our problems coming out of WDC.

      Elias Alias, editor

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