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News Poll Refutes Mark and Gabby Poll on ‘Terror Watch List’ Gun Ban

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Leave it to Mark and Gabby to call “shall not be infringed” a “loophole” as they push for due process-free citizen disarmament using polls designed to reach an agenda-supporting conclusion.

A poll being pushed by gun-grabbing oath-breakers Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly claims most Nevadans favor banning Americans on the government’s so-called “terror watch list” and “no fly list” from buying guns, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Monday. The effort is part of the Astroturf pile-on now that billionaire Michael Bloomberg’s minions have set loose Question 1 on an electorate largely ignorant of what so-called “background checks” are really intended to do.

Not only will that place a prior restraint on a right that, according to the supreme Law of the Land “shall not be infringed,” but, per no less an “authority” than the National Institute of Justice:

Effectiveness depends on the ability to reduce straw purchasing, requiring gun registration…

And guess who’s exempt – by law  – from being required to register their guns?

But back to the “terror watch list” Mark and Gabby are so keen on: The article actually does a pretty fair job of explaining due process concerns, and how difficult it is to remove yourself from a secret list where we have no idea who is on it, let alone how names are gleaned for inclusion or how you can get off it without prohibitive time and expense.  I remember years back how one guy found himself on the list for the heinous crime of taking a giant, inflatable pink pig to political rallies to protest government waste! And it’s well-documented how LE “fusion centers” take cues from the subversive SPLC to conflate Oath Keepers with domestic enemies.

Two other considerations not mentioned in the article: If being on the list is going to prevent you from buying guns, who thinks the next step won ‘t be to confiscate the guns you already own (that’s where Question 1-style  registration lists can come in so handy)? And if you are a terrorist dumb enough to fill out a 4473 and submit yourself to a NICS approval, what better way to be tipped off that you’ve been made than to be told the feds won’t allow a firearm transfer to proceed?

The thing about polls is they’re only as good as the recipients’ understanding of what they entail, and that’s where a quote from Thomas Pynchon’s “Gravity’s Rainbow” proves (once again) relevant:

“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.”

What was the understanding of the people being questioned about what a list ban entailed, what it could possibly accomplish, and what the reasons for not going down that path might be?  What were the actual questions asked in the poll, and how might the wording have influenced the outcome?

Because it’s not readily evident from their website or social media feeds, I asked the pollster, Public Policy Polling, and have not received a reply at this writing. They’re evidently preoccupied with telling someone who objects to men using women’s bathrooms that he’s the one who needs therapy.

Still, the Las Vegas Review-Journal account leaves us a way to gauge the real world level of support for Mark and Gabby’s witch-hunting blacklist with a poll question of their own placed at the end of the story:

Should there be new laws that would bar people on the terrorist watch list and the no-fly list from purchasing firearms?

At this writing, responses are running 74% to 21% against the idea, with 4% undecided.  Why not add your vote to the total?

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David Codrea blogs at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance (WarOnGuns.com), and is a field editor/columnist for GUNS Magazine. Named “Journalist of the Year” in 2011 by the Second Amendment Foundation for his groundbreaking work on the “Fast and Furious” ATF “gunwalking” scandal, he is a frequent event speaker and guest on national radio and television programs.

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19 comments

  1. This video contains my testimony on this issue in the MD Senate & General Assembly. We defeated this legislation here in MD a few weeks ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGylYffY6A

    What was sad, is that only 7 citizens + the NRA testified againt the bill, while the gun control lobby had dozens of supporters and lobbyist testify in favor of losing your 2A rights if placed on a government secret list.

    At least we defeated it this year. It will be back next year.

    1. As MARK LEVIN WOULD SAY “THESE BAFOONS”! liberlism at its best, the socialist are working just like president Santa Anna of the 1830’s. These people do not care about history just power. In 1835, Santa Anna sent his brother in law – General Cos to Texas to confiscate settlers firearms. Santa Anna was already confiscating firearms from the people in Zacatejas, Mexico. The Texas Revoluntary war started in Gonzales, Texas due in a cannon being hidden by Texas setters. The settlers used this small vannon against indian upraisings. The mexican army wanted this cannon. A group of about 18 pioneer settlers taunted the mexican soldiers stating “come and take it”. The Texas settlers grew to 167 later that day. No fight occured that day but the next day the Texas settlers attacked, beat the mexican soldiers.

    2. As MARK LEVIN WOULD SAY “THESE BAFOONS”! liberlism at its best, the socialist are working just like president Santa Anna of the 1830’s. These people do not care about history just power. In 1835, Santa Anna sent his brother in law – General Cos to Texas to confiscate settlers firearms. Santa Anna was already confiscating firearms from the people in Zacatejas, Mexico. The Texas Revoluntary war started in Gonzales, Texas due in a cannon being hidden by Texas setters. The settlers used this small cannon against indian upraisings. The mexican army wanted this cannon. A group of about 18 pioneer settlers taunted the mexican soldiers stating “come and take it”. The Texas settlers grew to 167 later that day. No fight occured that day but the next day the Texas settlers attacked, beat the mexican soldiers.

      1. Mark is an obonzo butt kisser, gabby is brain dead and only saying what she is thought to say!!!

  2. Should there be new laws that would bar people on the terrorist watch list and the no-fly list from purchasing firearms?

    At this writing, responses are running 74% to 21% against the idea, with 4% undecided. Why not add your vote to the total?

    A link to the poll would be nice, I can’t find it.

    1. What does a poll have to do with it? It is already unconstitutional to create a list of people who, simply by being listed, are deprived of some legal right. Such a list is called “a bill of attainder” (or “a bill of pains and penalties”), which is twice prohibited in the Constitution. But, as things are going in this country, perhaps OKs should add to its own list of unlawful orders: “We will NOT obey orders to enforce any bill of attainder or bill of pains and penalties.”

  3. It seems the better approach is to put all those against guns on a “Anti-American Watch List” because if they want to take away our guns, what Constitutional Freedon will be next – disembowel the entire Constitution?

  4. I think this whole madness about gun control is easier to understand if you just see the federal government and many (maybe most) state governments as organized crime syndicates. None of them give any credence to the Constitutional protections afforded all Americans, especially the first two amendments. It’s all about the rulers, their power, and their wealth. Yes, we do have a two class society in America, and the ruling class is as ruthless as the israelis are toward the Palestinians.

  5. Media and government desperately want us to accept the idea of being preemptively stripped of our rights based on something we may/may not do.

  6. I do not believe for a second that 82% of gun owners are that stupid, and I sure as hell will oppose any kind of registration,,,, with both barrels!

  7. One might consider adding should persons tied to crime be allowed to run for political office or maintain a position within the political spectrum?

  8. As of this morning (04/29 at 0745 MST)) the “NO” votes stood at 81%. Maybe there is some small shred of hope, at least in Nevada. Ultimately it will come down to those who are the sheep and those who are not.

  9. “Gabby” Gifford was a nobody, do-nothing piece of crap member of the House before she was shot. She never did one thing for the people of her district but was elected because she was a female running for office in a cesspool of progressives and liberals here in the Tucson/Pima County area of Arizona. She remains a piece of crap today and thinks being shot by some looney tune idiot makes her some kind of “expert” who people should listen to about guns.
    As for Mark Kelly, if he hadn’t married Gifford, he would never have been given the opportunities he received. Admiration for his being an astronaut should never be confused with thinking he is an “expert” about guns or any other subject. Talk about two losers.

  10. MOLON LABE!!! ANY law passed for gun control IS A UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW and I WIL NOT OBEY any such laws and I WILL PROTECT MY RIGHT TO DO SO with every bullet I have!!! MOLON LABE you gun grabbing “A-HOLES”!!!!!!!
    RufusT1951

  11. No & only congress has the right toBOTE PN ANY CHANGES, also those on the no fly list DESERVE a day in court OUR COUNTRY IS SO FULL OF LIBERAL BULL SHIT

  12. Reality has NO BEARING on progressive socialist propaganda!
    The American second amendment is the greatest obstacle to their agenda – not a day goes by that they are not chipping away at it one way or another – in one location or another. They will not stop until our second amendment rights are, if not gone, EFFECTIVELY gone. Our court system is OK with us being left with the illusion of second amendment rights. As long as we have the ability to put a hole in a deer and a hole in a piece of paper now and then – the court system is content that we have “AN AVENUE TO SECOND AMENDMENT ENJOYMENT!”

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