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ATF Trace Data Refutes Hillary’s Reported Vermont Gun Claim

Hillary’s posturing on guns is as phony as her staged “loving” relationship with the serial sex abuser she finds politically advantageous to keep around. (Hillary Clinton Facebook photos)

“Hillary Clinton ratcheted up her attacks on Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ gun control record Monday, telling a private gathering of state legislators near the State Capitol that many of the guns used by New York criminals come across the border from the Green Mountain State,” Politico New York reports. While the meeting was closed to Democrat legislators, lobbyists and supporters, and a recording of actual words spoken has not surfaced, statements from attendees, including Democrat Assemblyman Kevin Cahill and State Assembly Speaker and former Bronx Democratic Committee Chairman Carl Heastie summarize Clinton’s reported comments.

“She said that many of the guns that are found to be involved in crimes in this state are found to have their origins in Vermont,” Cahill recalled.

“She did mention that [Vermont] doesn’t have gun laws, and she brought that up when she was contrasting her position on guns and votes in Senate with Senator Sanders,” Heastie added.

With a reported claim like that, and with the blame being placed on what “progressives” refer to as “lax gun laws,” a fact check is in order.  And to do that, we can consult ATF’s firearms trace data report for New York (2014 is the most current year’s data released at this writing).

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It’s true, Vermont is one of the “top 15 states for firearms with a New York recovery,” coming in at #14 with 55 traces. New York itself, with draconian gun edicts, did just fine without the boost, easily taking the #1 slot with 1,397 traces.

As long as the “flow” is being presented as an imminent problem, one other piece of information is also relevant: Time to crime, the span between when a firearm was originally sold by a retailer to when it was “recovered” by law enforcement: The New York average is 14.8 years. Compare that to the national average of 10.88 years.

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Then compare Vermont’s violent crimes with, say restrictive New York’s. So much for the problem being “easy access” to guns.

And there’s one other factor, a great big caveat ATF places prominently as a preamble to their report — the firearms trace data disclaimer:

Firearm traces are designed to assist law enforcement authorities in conducting investigations by tracking the sale and possession of specific firearms. Law enforcement agencies may request firearms traces for any reason, and those reasons are not necessarily reported to the Federal Government. Not all firearms used in crime are traced and not all firearms traced are used in crime. [Emphasis added.]

All things considered, it looks like Hillary is lying again for personal gain, and your rights be damned.  Now might be a good time to let Gomer have the last word:

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David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA, and a long-time gun rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.

In addition to being a field editor at GUNS Magazine and columnist for AmmoLand, he blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.



David Codrea blogs at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance (, and is a field editor/columnist for GUNS Magazine. Named “Journalist of the Year” in 2011 by the Second Amendment Foundation for his groundbreaking work on the “Fast and Furious” ATF “gunwalking” scandal, he is a frequent event speaker and guest on national radio and television programs.



  1. Could you explain what this sentence: “Then compare Vermont’s violent crimes with, say restrictive New York’s. So much for the problem being “easy access” to guns” has to do with the violent crime in New York? One has nothing to do with the other. If I sell my Vermont gun to a New York guy, he’s going to commit his crime in NY. I’ve seen this little bit of legerdemain on other pro-gun webpages. It works, I guess, if whomever you are writing for has no basic reading comprehension skills and you’re preaching to the choir so they’re not going to dispute it.

    1. Quite a bit actually.

      The US Constitution REQUIRES all Americans and those LAWFULLY allowed to be here are to be armed and trained in all arms, particularly those that are used by the military (and I am not talking Bush 1 – Obama “laws”) (‘ll explain that at the bottom of this comment).

      So if every household was trained and armed, that would lower crime. How many criminals are going to break in knowing that the people in that house not only have arms, but are trained to use them properly? Few, very few.

      Mass shootings when every citizen old enough to learn are trained and carry weapons will cause a quick end of it, IF one is even started.

      You might not remember in the 60’s plus (and definitely prior to then) when a lot carried their weapons around, even on rifle racks in the back window of their trucks at school when leaving directly after school to go up hunting. Guess what, we had extremely little problems with weapons at schools. No one was taught in a “communist/progressive” “public” school to fear arms, and through mass media propaganda, etc; they learned at home and on ranges what arms were, and how one SAFELY handled them.

      So why are Americans and those lawfully here required to carry and train with arms? Because they are the Militia that those that serve within our governments are REQUIRED to use for:
      — Enforce the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution,
      — Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
      — Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
      — “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”.

      Because those that serve within our governments are CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED to use the Militia for those things they are FORBIDDEN to use anything, anyone, or any other group to do those things. To do so is *Terrorism and Treason against the American people under our SUPREME LAW – and all laws made in Pursuance thereof it – here in America. (It is important to realize that “just following orders” and “just doing the job” is not a lawful excuse and the person so doing will still be accountable for their actions.)

      *28 C.F.R. Section 0.85 Terrorism is defined as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”.

      Hope this helps to clear things up for you.

      George Washington: “It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government…, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”

      St John Tucker: “The congress of the United States possesses no power to regulate, or interfere with the domestic concerns, or police of any state: it belongs not to them to establish any rules respecting the rights of property; nor will the constitution permit any prohibition of arms to the people;…”

      Rawl: “the powers not delegated to congress by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people [quoting the 10th Amendment]. What we are about to consider are certainly not delegated to congress, nor are they noticed in the prohibitions to states; they are therefore reserved either to the states or to the people. Their high nature, their necessity to the general security and happiness will be distinctly perceived.”
      “In the second article, it is declared, that a well regulated militia is necessary to a free state; a proposition from which few will dissent. Although in actual war, in the services of regular troops are confessedly more valuable; yet while peace prevails, and in the commencement of a war before a regular force can be raised, the militia form the palladium of the country. They are ready to repel invasion, to suppress insurrection, and preserve the good order and peace of government. That they should be well regulated (trained), is judiciously added. ..” “The corollary, from the first position, is that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

      Interested in just how corrupt those that serve within our governments are? Consider these comments.

      St. George Tucker: “The Federal Government is the creature of the States. It is not a party to the Constitution, but the result of it – the creation of that agreement which was made by the States as parties. It is a mere agent, entrusted with limited powers for certain objects; which powers and objects are enumerated in the Constitution. Shall the agent be permitted to judge of the extent of his own powers, without reference to his constituent?”

      George Washington in his Farewell Address: “It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free Country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective Constitutional spheres; avoiding in the exercise of the Powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create whatever the form of government, a real despotism. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power; by dividing and distributing it into different depositories, and constituting each the Guardian of the Public Weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them.”

      If there were never intended to be action to defend the Constitution from those who are domestically attempting to destroy its power and authority, why would each Oath require it of those who take the Oaths?

      Chief Tecumseh: “When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.”

    2. I’m neither a Bernie or Clinton fan. You however, need to question your own reading comprehension skills; along with your reasoning skills. The author was making the point that access to guns, or the lack there of has little to do with violent crimes. His point, Vermont has few restrictive gun laws yet they have a lower violent crime rate than New York despite New York’s highly restrictive gun laws. Pretty much what you said. One has very little to do with the other. No slight of hand tricks here.
      As for your reasoning that a New York guy purchasing your gun in Vermont is going to use it for crime in New York. Well, I see no logic or reasoning that backs that up. A criminal is just as likely to commit a crime there in Vermont, New York, or any other state of the Union. Furthermore, if he does purchase your gun in Vermont and uses it to commit a crime in New York, assuming that he’s caught and the gun recovered and traced, it will be traced back to Vermont.

  2. Interesting read. I’m going to share what I get out of it, besides the obvious message that Hitlery is full of crap as usual.

    Been telling people for many years that Form 4473 is indeed a form of registration, and I’ve had every Tom, Dick and Harry that has an FFL tell me I’m nuts. So lets look at the undeniable truth posted above. The ATF knows these guns, knows their point of origin, and how long ago it was originally sold after being recovered in use of a crime.

    Hmmm, riddle me this Batman…How would they know where it was sold, when it was sold, and what the SN is, if there wasn’t a record being kept? So for all the nay sayers out there, why don’t you just school me on how I’m paranoid, and have avoided any FFL purchases for over 20 years, for no reason at all? I’m all ears.

  3. “We do have our federal government ‘the agent’ that operates solely by force…teaching our children. They didn’t get Trump or his children.”

  4. Cal wrote, 8 April, 2016,
    “The US Constitution REQUIRES all Americans and those LAWFULLY allowed to be here are to be armed and trained in all arms, particularly those that are used by the military.”

    You MUST be having a ‘dream’ here. There is NO requirement that you suggest in the U.S.
    Constitution. (maybe you are confusing it with Mein Kampf)

    Such a provision would certainly contradict the First Ammendment.

    [Editor’s Note: I have deleted one word from your post.]

    1. you know what is said about turkeys around Thanksgiving??? same for hillary, she is full of it. NO STATE SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN GUN LAWS… THE US CONSTITUTION … THE 2ND AMENDMENT IS PERFECTLY CLEAR… Shall NOT be Infringed. Several legislators need to go over their oath and get with the program or … have a legal rope put around their neck.

      1. Thank you. I don’t understand where the big misinterpretation comes from, because for me its pretty damn simple. “A well regulated(means trained not permited) Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Where in that statement does it mention permits to carry a firearm. Wake up people every time you renew your chl, ltc, ccp, or whatever name you put on it you were just extorted again by your so called “elected representative”.

      2. Exactly. Why do we tolerate all the anti 2nd amendment laws, rules, regulations, etc.when other amendments are mostly free and clear of such ridiculous crap?

        The 1st and 2nd are in that order for a good reason, yet we see “free speech zones”, “no gun zones” and so forth.

  5. Hillary & Bernie will say anything to get elected .. Neither can never be trusted to be President .. The real focus should be cities where the homicides & murder rate are in record numbers.. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not the solution.. the Government wants to take our guns so that it can have total control of its citizens. The government should be in fear of the People .. We the People are in fear of our Government..

  6. The lead-in photo of Billary says it all for me: Aaawwww! Aren’t they such a loverly couple.

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