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Two More Bundys Arrested: The Mindless Unconstitutional Government Rolls On

This is so disgusting. The statist mentality has infested every federal enforcement agency and the federal government is running scared. Have you raised your voice in dissent against the government’s unlawful land grabs out west? Then get ready to meet your Maker, or your Slavemaster (who somehow has come to think it created you). They are picking off the ones who stood up to protect the Bundy family from gun-pointing BLM thugs. Never forget – the BLM pointed guns at innocent ranchers and their family before anyone pointed guns back at the unlawful BLM criminals.

Today, March 03, 2016, has been a very dark day for the Constitution, as badge-toting statist ego-maniacs arrested good Americans for standing up to the federal government’s criminality. Just hours ago, on March 03, 2016, the Salt Lake Tribune posted this article with a pictured fingerprint over-layed with the appropriate name for what this government has done – “CRIME” — Though the newspaper wants readers to think that the victims of these arrests are criminals, history will show that the government and its minions are the ones who actually have committed “crime”.


Crime_SaltLakeTribuneMarch03_2016Bundy family members arrested in Utah

on federal warrant

First Published Mar 03 2016 10:57AM by Jennifer Dobner

Excerpts from article:

Federal agents made arrests in six states — including Utah — on Thursday, rounding up supporters of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy for their participation in a 2014 armed standoff with federal agents.

In all, 12 men were arrested, including two of Bundy’s sons: David “Davey” Harold Bundy, 39, of Delta, Utah, and his brother, Melvin D. Bundy, 41, of Round Mountain, Nev., federal officials said.

The men are two of the 14 children of Cliven Bundy, the 69-year-old Bunkerville, Nev., cattleman who last month was arrested and indicted on 16 federal charges related to a standoff near his ranch as part of a long-running dispute with the Bureau of Land Management over unpaid grazing fees….

In a news release, the U.S. Department of Justice said the arrests follow the Wednesday return of a new grand jury indictment in Nevada’s U.S. District Court.

The indictment charges 14 new individuals with one count each of conspiracy to commit and offense against the United States, conspiracy to impede or injury a federal officer, weapon use and possession, assault on a federal officer, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction of justice, extortion to interfere with commerce and interstate travel in aid of extortion.

The charges carry penalties ranging from five to 20 years in federal prison.

The indictment also alleges five counts of criminal forfeiture, which could require defendants to surrender more than $3 million in properties derived from the proceeds of the alleged crimes, the DOJ statement says.

“This investigation began the day after the assault against federal law enforcement officers and continues to this day,” Nevada’s U.S. Attorney Daniel Bogden said in a statement. “We will continue to work to identify the assaults and their role in the assault and the aftermath, in order to ensure that justice is served…

Also arrested on Thursday were: Gerald A. DeLemus, 61, of Rochester, N.H.; Eric J. Parker, 32, of Hailey, Idaho; O. Scott Drexler, 44, of Challis, Idaho; Richard R. Lovelien, 52, of Westville, Okla.; Steven A. Stewart, 36, of Hailey, Idaho; Todd C. Engel, 48, of Boundary County, Idaho; Gregory P. Burleson, 52, of Phoenix, Ariz.; Joseph D. O’Shaughnessy, 43, of Cottonwood, Ariz.; and Micah L. McGuire, 31, and Jason D. Woods, 30, both of Chandler, Ariz.

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Editing in this picture on March 09, 2016, in reply to a comment below this article.

bundy ranch federal snipers





Elias Alias

Editor in Chief for Oath Keepers; Unemployed poet; Lover of Nature and Nature's beauty. Slave to all cats. Reading interests include study of hidden history, classical literature. Concerned Constitutional American. Honorably discharged USMC Viet Nam Veteran. Founder, TheMentalMilitia.Net



  1. It hurts to think of all those who stood toe to toe with the government when cattle were seized are now being seized themselves and, just like in the poem “First they came” it seems as though none-or almost none-are willing to go and demand the release of Patriots like we did just a couple years back when we wanted the release of cattle. Not putting down those who answered the call. Just dismayed at how beaten I feel-and I’m sure we all feel-from the last two years of government oppression.

    1. Is there anyone on this list that honestly belielves a peaceful resolution of this is possible.
      All those in favor of surrender, please say so. Free men should not live in fear of their government!

    2. What you’re seeing is the mask coming off, all part of the process & internal logic of totalitarianism. There is a point past which these people will no longer care who thinks what about them; they will do whatever they want & the devil take the hindmost. That point, I believe, is the November election. If Hillary or one of those neocons is elected, then you can consider the Lavoy killing and the Bundyville arrests as Kristallnacht, and be pretty well assured that we Constitutionalists are now as the Jews of Europe were in the l930’s. Might want to get ready.

      1. [Editing here by Elias Alias, editor — you will not be allowed to paint with too broad a brush which would include all people of a class. I will not allow you to post materials which the ADL and SPLC will turn around and use against us in the press. Got it? Thanks for understanding.]

        That is so Publius, Only you miss the fact that [certain individuals] are actually highly involved in the subversion and undermining of everything that is free, honorable and beautiful. Who do you think is spearheading the anti-gun lobby? [Those] organisations dont even hide this anymore either. When you check their journals you find out soon how they brag about it. It is also the same [powers] who control the media that is portraying all sane and decent people as criminals, or as ‘nazis’ or whatever to scare away the public from what may be a righteous cause.

        The situation the US and Europe are in today is indeed just like the 1920ies, right before the NSDAP took over Germany. But what you don’t seem to get is that Hitler actually saved Germany from complete destruction. Germany in the 1920’s was completely devastated, millions of unemployed, [One word deleted] … thugs (so-called ‘guards’ ) were posted by the same criminals into the rhine area and raping and massacring innocent Europeans as they saw fit. Who was running the decadent porn and sexslave industry back then you think? Who was ruling the weimar republic? Not the circus of ‘democracy’, these so-called ‘democratic’ traitors, just like the ones today, just listen to what international finance ordered them. Make no mistake, [criminal types] were highly involved, the sources and proof are all over the place. [They] declared war at Germany since Hitler had the guts to break free from the international criminal finance-system. [Fourteen words deleted] what else you need to call the Rothschilds and goldmans etc who still today are also sponsering the invasion into Europe by violent immigrants

        [Two paragraphs deleted.]

        [Final note from Elias Alias, editor: Bro, I’m not saying you are wrong, I am just saying that your message is not going to be posted at this website. If you want to continue to post here, you need to ditch a certain word out from your vocabulary, because I will not allow it here. Again, I’m not saying you are wrong, but I also am saying that we will never knowingly allow comments which are obvious ploys to give our enemies ammo to use against this organization. I hope you can understand.]

  2. So I guess the moral is, if you stand up for the Constitution, as we’re all supposed to, you do so at your own peril. Cuz you better totally beat the govt that’s enforcing a ‘different version’ of that Constitution or they’re gonna beat you. Maybe Finicum was sane, and we are the crazy ones. He didn’t want to shoot anyone, really, but he wasn’t going to be taken, and, he stood up for what he believed anyway. He declared ‘give me liberty or give me death’ and the govt, in its benevolence, gave all it had to give. Point noted.

    1. Your right basically we really have no rights. They’ll never come out and say it but since anyone who exercises their rights against the government (or any of it’s entities) either ends up brutalized and thrown in prison or killed. So they are saying we have no rights just not directly.

      1. Well stated folks and I’m very, very concerned that you are correct and all over this. Lavoy Finnicum did in fact made a statement…”give me liberty or give me death”. And the FBI (& hired mercenaries) were more than happy to murder him and make their own statement. Finnicum was stripped of his Constitutional rights–no doubt about it. Where is the outrage by our representatives? Make it happen folks.
        Lavoy Finnicum, RIP brother.

    1. Sure-the same thing that was done to help the seized cattle can be done to help the seized patriots. The question is: WILL it be done?

      1. That’s a question that apparently can only be answered by 25k+ BarreXX’s in a column.
        Lawless “emboldened Snake excrement” doesn’t understand anything else.

        When cleaning up after “Lawless emboldened Snake excrement”, its best to have 25K+ uber-trained “Snake excrement handlers”, equipped, and on the ready with long logistics trains on multiples of rail pathways and throttled up.

        It’s very foolheartedly and potentially lethal at times for otherwise serious “Snake excrement handlers”, to go into the offending pit-vipers pit, unless those “Snake excrement handlers” are properly staffed, properly equipped, properly reinforced, and “long before the actual entrance into the viper’s pit”,.. armed with a prerequisite “”plan”” to be equipped with a massive stock of medical gear and staff prepared for “Meatball surgery” and backed-up by many multiples of transparent redundant supply trains.

        Multiple redundant broad logistics trains on multiple redundant alternative subterranean railway paths.

        Maybe R “L” F had the timing down after all, just not the properly prepared reinforcements that could have “captured” the offending evil pit vipers for their proper “”public exhibition”” or final disposition.

        “The moral of the Pit Viper fable is;
        If you “”ever”” plan to enter the excrement filled Viper’s pit, always be working towards being “”properly prepared”” to actually safely enter the excrement filled Viper’s pit,…. or otherwise never enter into the excrement filled Viper’s pit in the first place.
        However, the Pit Viper’s are know to “leave their lair” in search of the easiest kind of “prey”,.. the ill-prepared kind of prey that had never planned or prepared for the satanic vipers to venture out of their lair in search of more ill-prepared prey…..

        Just one beat down dogs take on current events.

        “Silence in the face of tyranny is your consent to that tyranny”

      2. Those arrested or facing arrest MUST keep their mouthes shut except to: Proclain innocence against ALL CHARGES, DEMAND JURY TRIAL and COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS, stand trial. All the rest of us should focus on maintaining their gear and watch over their families and resources.

      3. Yes! It’s called A TRIAL! Those arrested or facing arrest MUST keep their mouthes shut except to: Proclain innocence against ALL CHARGES, DEMAND JURY TRIAL and COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS, stand trial. All the rest of us should focus on maintaining their gear and watch over their families and resources.

  3. This is just absolutely heartbreaking to see this happening. I know most of us that will read this alone in our homes are going to feel so totally helpless against this enormous evil government. I see no good end to this yet. God bless us all.

    1. We have all heard the statement by Thomas Jefferson conerning the Tree of Liberty being watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time. Now we are probably going to be seeing how true that is first hand.

    2. Yes, It appears there is a coming hailstorm and there is not much we can do except wait until it gets here… or else?

  4. This is why professional protesters wear a face covering. It is a sad day. My group of family and friends is focused on the Oregon travesty. Good news, the Ammon Bundy Crowd Fund amount is up to $85,000 as of this morning. There is hope, take a look at Wayne Hage, Nevada Rancher. The Judge slapped down the Fed’s. Divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book. Things looked bleak for Randy Weaver too, and FBI controlled that narrative from the start. Without these good Patriots, innocent people are at the mercy of the federal government. Not one protester pointed a gun at any Law Enforcement in Burns, not one picture, no proof and to convict, proof has to be shown. These gov. employees are disgusting. All these Patriots and their families are in our prayers.

    1. With all due respect I think that most of those people have been charged with offenses under which the ‘government’ can keep them indefinitely.

      So when will they have their day in court?

      The Finicum family is not allowed to see the truck LaVoy was driving.

      It is banditry gone berserk.

      1. It is not only “berserk” — it is backed by the might of a militarized combat-geared and armored force of raw government power unleashed. It is conducted by “believers” who have been taught to believe that We The People are now the “enemy” or the “bad guy”. I am tempted to rebuild and post that old series I did back in 2011 in covering the SWAT murder of a young Marine war veteran in his own home. Yes – I think I will remake that series from my old notes. It was talking about police-state mentality and the hierarchy of “policy” which has militarized our police and corrupted our judicial system. That was five years ago, and I’ll bet the series is more pertinent today than it was then. Thanks for reminding me.
        Elias Alias, editor

      2. @ Elias:

        Please do repost those articles. I point to the SWAT murder of the young Marine to people I know. They don’t even react; because it does not happen to them. Just as with all the other examples of our criminal government sanctioned tyranny, people are not touched by it so it’s just a passing story.

        Also, I am not impressed with the LEO community for not en masse coming out in making a stand for constitutional law. My opinion is, the LEO (excepting very few) community – too scared to stand for what is right – too married to their pay check to speak the truth – too worried about peer criticism. The men with the badges are not protecting the Bundy family nor the Hammond family, yet civilians risking it all stand in the face of a cruel and evil agency thug.

        Thus, the murder of a Marine, a patriot rancher and thousands of others will continue unabated. Over time, we will be rounded up, one here, one there, made examples of to instill the fear and control.

        What man tazes a pregnant woman? Might we be too nice in return?

      3. I’ll be awaiting your series, Elias, and thanks for your effort in all things.
        It’s a sad day to see this once great land turn into just another Gitmo for the likes of true patriots.

      4. Henk-2 You are right. The new laws under the Patriot Act and its progeny allow for indefinite detention. Effectively destroying habeas corpus and the right to a speedy trial. We allowed this to happen. We are now reaping the whirlwind.

      5. “The new laws under the Patriot Act…”

        Just because it was written by a person who SERVES WITHIN our government does not mean that it is a “law” – regulation, code, etc – that is binding on the American people. If it is not following (in Pursuance thereof) the US Constitution from which all who serve within our governments – state and general – get their delegated authority, then it is NOT lawfully or even legally binding on the American people.

        That is why Oathkeepers/cspoa/etc is so critical to the security of the American people, they take those who .are “dumbed down, or not knowledgeable about our real laws/codes/regulations/etc and teach them what is REALLY law here in the USA.

        Remember it took decades to dumb down the people enough for the Domestic Enemies and the Traitors to start implementing this stuff against the American people – which is *Terrorism.

        Many who serve within our governments and are armed are too ignorant of what America is about, what their LAWFUL duties are, and are willing to commit Treason and *Terrorism against the American people by “just following orders” and “just doing their jobs”

        Study the US Constitution if you have not already done so, because IT IS our government, NOT the people who serve within the general (federal) and state governments. You cannot be used against our nation if you are informed and will KEEP the Oath that binds you if you are serving within our governments.

        As always, what happens is up to us, “We the People of the united States”. Learn what OUR duties are constitutionally, from being the militia, to a jurist, to Grand Juries. Those are the constitutional tools of the people, NOT of those who serve within our governments – general or state = nor within the different branches, legislative,m executive, or judicial.

        Ignorance is NOT bliss, it is death of ourselves, our nation.

        If there were never intended to be action to defend the Constitution from those who are domestically attempting to destroy its power and authority, why would each Oath require it of those who take the Oaths?

        Chief Tecumseh: “When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.”

        *28 C.F.R. Section 0.85 Terrorism is defined as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”.

      6. Semantics and sophistry won’t do anything for those in jail.

        The hard fact is that they are there and I am sure nobody calls them ‘Sir’ or asks them their opinion and certainly nobody respects their views on things.

  5. The round up begins! The sad fact is, that the out of control feds represent the people very well!

    We can’t say it is a few pro government extremists. We can’t say it’s certain segments of society that are pro government extremists. They are everywhere! They are at all levels! They take their marching orders from government extremist groups like the counsel on foreign relations, the SPLC, the lame stream media, and other left wing pro government extremist groups! The media is jam packed with pro government extremists to the point of absurdity, as they were supposed to be the watch dogs that protect us from government wrong doing! Now they are just government mouthpieces, and simply repeat what they are told! They are all traitors to the Constitution, and country!

    After witnessing the people’s reaction all over the country to burns oregon, we can’t say the virus has infected a few. The virus has spread everywhere! We now have pro government extremists intermixed at every level of our society! And they all say the same thing: “The hell with the constitution! Give us tyranny!” So, now, tyranny is what they get! I really do not believe this is possible on its own! Or that it is just dumbed down society. This is too much, and too fast. The people are infiltrated with traitors to the Constitution, and country!

    We now have a federal government that talks about the “rule of law” all the while ignoring, and violating, the highest law of the land! The law that is supposed to keep them from doing the things they are doing! The constitution / law is all about boxing them in! They choose to ignore it! They choose tyranny! They choose to ignore the law that binds them! They choose to be traitors! It’s the biggest joke in history! The feds talking about the “rule of law”, and giving themselves the authority to arrest, and kill, americans whose property they steal … is now the “rule of law”! Tyranny is the “rule of law”! And everyone is powerless to stop it! The states just sit, and watch! The feds, and the states, are the biggest traitors to the Constitution, and country!

    And they won’t just stop with those who were there, they will come for everyone who is not a slippery slimy pro government extremist! They have declared war on conservatives! Life behind bars, or “Give me liberty, or give me death!” I hear Patrick Henry’s speech in the distance. Echoing through the woods. Not far off. Not far at all!

    The states had better step up, and give the feds the boot! They no longer deserve a place with us! Do it now, do it before we are all gone!

    1. I have an addendum for the above. “Pro government extremists” isn’t what I’m trying to convey. “Pro lawless / unconstitutional government extremists” is what I want to say. They are pro unconstitutional /lawless government extremists, and the left is full of them! Actualy, there is no extreme left, just left, as they are all extremists!

  6. There is only one answer now; all other options are gone. Appeal to God our King and General, obey His voice and victory will come as it did for Gideon’s Army. Man makes man’s plans but the way of the Lord stands firm.

      1. Here, very much in the same vein as the Baldwins’ book, are two short papers on the question of authority for the United States of America and the people of that nation. I imagine them to be quick and easy to read and scrutinize, with the intent to pique interest in readers to examine their premises on authority, God’s natural law, and their current view of actions of government agents throughout the USA.


        Authority: the power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge
        Force: violence, specificially the initiation thereof

        There are only two sources of authority for government: by delegation of authority derived from individual people, or from nothing other than force.

        Force is well established as a source for governmental authority, and its track record is one which few free people are likely to defend as desirable.

        Governmental authority derived from individuals cannot exceed the authority of a single individual, no matter the number of individuals that make up a the group of people. This is in harmony with the principles written in the Declaration of Independence.

        Governments that claim to draw authority delegated from people yet exercise power in areas that exceed that authority are resting on force alone when functioning in those areas.

        No matter the number, no group of people have authority greater than a single individual without resorting to force or the threat of force. Stating otherwise is tantamount to claiming that while a lone robber is exceeding his authority, a robbing gang of two, three, ten, thousands, or millions is somehow not exceeding their authority possessed as a body of individuals.

        While the Almighty God YHWH establishes authority of governments, those governments are regularly followed with a physical process. God’s prophet Samuel annointed both of Israel’s first kings with oil; different versions of the United States of America were formed from law written by elected representatives.

        The current version of the United States is the third, following the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution of the United States was created by a convention consisting of elected representatives – representatives that claimed authority to create law based upon the authority delegated to them by the individuals who elected them.

        The authority of one individual cannot justly trample on the authority of a second; likewise, neither can a government created upon the authority of individuals.

        When a single individual’s authority is trespassed upon without consent, a crime has occurred. At that point, and only at that point, has a crime been committed. The authority possessed by the individual and delegated to government is then exercised by government in order to provide justice in response to the crime.


        What is government “authority”? Where does it come from? Does it have any limits, and if so, what are they?

        Romans 13 is clear: “there is no authority except from YHWH”.

        Some have made the claim that all governmental authority is absolute, without limit. This treatise will show that such a claim cannot be an true.

        If there are no limits on authority, then there can be no righteous disobedience to seizure of arms; no resistance to property theft; no resistance to wanton violence and property destruction; no resistance to forced relocation, imprisonment, and execution. If there are no limits on authority, the Egyptian midwives who helped Hebrew mothers hide their newborn male children from a bloodthirsty Pharaoh were rebelling against the Creator, and the German people who sheltered Jews from the National Socialist Party’s holocaust were sinning against God.

        If there are no limits on authority, then such authority can righteously prohibit worship of God, or compel worship of false gods.

        If there are limits on authority, what are those limits?

        Within the United States of America, the federal government was implemented through law in the form of the Constitution of the United States. When a person is elected to an office established by law, does that person suddenly wield unlimited authority by sheer virture of holding an office established under law? Of course not: any authority of the elected person is limited to that of the office, and that of the office is limited to that of the law.

        What are the limits of authority under the Constitution?

        The Constitution of the United States was written and made into law by a group of individuals who had been elected as representatives by other individuals. The authority vested in the Constitution rested upon the authority of elected delegates, which in turn rested upon the authority of a single individual.

        It is undeniable that there are contradictory laws throughout governments within the United States. The method of resolving these conflicts is well established, and is recognized by US courts. When two laws conflict, the law which contradicts the Constitution is void. At the very moment of the contradictory law’s passage, it has the same legal effect as if it had not passed at all. [1,2]

        Therefore, it must be that actions taken by agents of government that are both outside the authority of law and exceed the authority of an individual are crimes; such actions are outside the authority ordained by God.

        [1] Norton vs Shelby County, 1886; An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.
        [2] Marbury vs Madison, 1803; a law repugnant to the Constitution is void.

      2. this means that everything Obama has placed upon us that conflicts with the Constitution isn’t worth the paper its written on.

    1. You’re joking right?? Waiting and praying for someone else to “handle” this has gotten men killed and imprisoned! We ALL should have descended on Oregon after LaVoy was MURDERED and put a STOP to this. But NO instead we’re standing idly by and waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to “handle” it AGAIN!!! I guess you’d rather die on your knees praying than die STANDING UP and MAKING A DIFFERENCE!!! The PROBLEM with this country is TOO MANY people are spending too much time on their knees and they’re NOT DOING ANYTHING to make change!!

  7. The KGB has a new lease on life under the DHS banner. The subset of that heading is BLM, EPA,

    I believe war has been declared….

  8. In the previous 10 days I have read an article, on two different websites, that more arrests in connection with the Bundy’s would not be tolerated, it was a ‘line in the sand’.

    The author is an Oath Keeper, Brandon (Smith?).

    1. Well it’ll be interesting to see cause we keep getting kidnapped and I haven’t heard or seen any calls to arms!

      1. Oath Keepers will not be issuing any “call to arms”. We are an educational organization, not a militia. Thank you for reading and commenting here.
        Elias Alias, editor

      2. I just finished reading the 64 page indictment of the federal grand jury, you can find it here if you are s inclined.

        Elias you are correct to clarify the mission of Oath Keepers, it seems the federal government is going to use the federal military court system to round up and destroy as many “patriots” as possible. Expect further “impoundment” operations at Bundy ranch. I would advise everyone to watch carefully what you say on this and other social media.

      3. I’m disappointed with your comment Elias. While education is needed it will not replace action. I joined Oathkeepers believing your organization would take action when needed. After Lavoy was murdered you did nothing. Now American patriots are being rounded up and arrested and you still do nothing. I will not be renewing.

      4. I’m only guessing, but apparently you do not know what Oath Keepers is doing. Oath Keepers is doing much more than you will ever know, and that is all I have to tell you. As for “taking action”, if you are meaning picking up guns and hitting the streets in a bloody revolution, they you certainly have the wrong impression about Oath Keepers. Oath Keepers is a non-violent, educational, psychological operations organization. If that is not good enough for you, then perhaps you’re right – you should not renew. Let us know how “taking action” works for you, eh?
        At any rate, thank you for your support while it lasted.

        Elias Alias, editor

      5. What happened to this then?
        The above list is not exhaustive but we do consider them to be clear tripwires – they form our “line in the sand,” and if we receive such orders, we will not obey them. Further, we will know that the time for another American Revolution is nigh. If you the people decide that you have no recourse, and such a revolution comes, at that time, not only will we NOT fire upon our fellow Americans who righteously resist such egregious violations of their God given rights, we will join them in fighting against those who dare attempt to enslave them.
        That’s off the Forums. So is that still true then?

      6. Okay. Several things.
        First, I would remind you that you’re discussing serious concepts on a public Internet page belonging to Oath Keepers. Every hate group from Montana Cowgirl to the SPLC, from the DOJ to the NSA, hovers over every word that gets posted on this site, and just like you just did, they will copy/paste comments and claim that it was on the Oath Keepers website so it must be the gospel truth about what Oath Keepers is doing. For you general knowledge, I do not go to the forums any more — haven’t been there in months, because I don’t have enough hours in a day already. I have no idea who said that, or if he was a member or not, but I’ll guarantee you that Oath Keepers is not going to be calling anyone to arms against the government. We do not want members who think we’re a militia of some sort. We’re not a militia. We are peaceful advocates of education for cops and soldiers regarding their Oath. That’s it. If that ain’t hot enough for you, then, well, then you’ll just have to decide for yourself. But you are not going to get a conversation started here about an hypothetical situation which itself is outside the scope and mission of Oath Keepers. We have by-laws and rules, we are non-partisan, we are a psychological operation that is having a marked success in slowing down what the Feds are trying to do.

        And we are not stupid.

        Because the government is so volatile and ruthless these days, I am in constant defense mode in trying to keep the propaganda specialists and the psy-warriors off our backs here at the national site.

        I don’t care one whit what some individual who may or may not even be a member in Oath Keepers, says on a message board, the fact remains that Oath Keepers is is an educational organization. Oath Keepers is not a private army. So I would like to cordially invite you to change the subject. Thank you.

        Elias Alias, editor

      7. It was off the oath page and Stewart Rhodes wrote it. I could of pasted the whole thing but only chose that because I want to know, do we count on to defend us when were infringed up on or no? if that answer is no then I will leave then. Hope fully those who counted on you guys will too.

      8. Well, if Stewart posted that, then you should ask Stewart where we’re at today. I cannot presume to speak for Stewart.

        Regarding who you can depend upon, let me ask you — have you joined a CPT? If there is not one in your neck of the woods, are you willing to start one? Instead of worrying about who will come to your rescue, why not prepare yourself so you will not need to be rescued? Why don’t you get with good neighbors and talk about community security? Why don’t you do anything besides whining that the world is going to abandon you? Jeez, troop! Grow a pair, confront your fear, deal with it, and chart a course of action for yourself.
        I’ll tell you this — I’ve been slapping the Beast across the face for years, and my neck is stretched across their damned chopping block just as sure as anyone else’s. I gave Oath Keepers’ fifth anniversary Oath ceremony at Bundy Ranch. But I’m a spiritual warrior, a warrior these days fighting on mental planes. My spiritual self is strong and in good shape, and I do not bow to fear, even knowing they will sooner or later come for me. And I ain’t asking Oath Keepers national to provide guards for my cabin in the woods. When my time comes, I’ll go with loving forgiveness toward those who abuse me, and my soul shall rejoice in the release. Here, listen to this and meditate on the metaphor —

        Then read this –

        Heard of somebody named James Comey lately? Read about the last round-up at that link and you’ll see one of the last decent things the man did before the sheer weight of Leviathan crushed his soul and morphed him into the head of the FBI. See:

        Think on these things and prepare. Nothing is going to get any better now, only worse. What counts now is the condition of one’s soul. When that is squared away, anyone will know what to do.

        Elias Alias, editor

  9. After much deletes and rewrites I will simplify this It’s not our fight is why this is happening. I expect a lot of blah blah blah but it still remains true The ” The Hammond’s don’t’ want us” mentality and “it’s not our fight” crap lead to this.
    Patriot movement is so screwed right now and if we don’t do something soon, there wont be anything left to fight for.

      1. I can’t speak for csaaphill, or anybody really. My recommendation would be that anyone involved at the Ranch bug..tonight. I would recommend that a private property owner that is agreeable, in a county that is Constitutional Sheriff friendly, offer his land as a stand. It would be preferable if it was an area of ground already known by the owner, III’ers, OK’ers, etc. and that a decision is made that all those within the property are protected. Period. At the same time all those not indicted or on the property maintain their AO and send material support and rotate perhaps 2 members to this designation. Just an idea. Not busting anyone’s balls. I’m just an ex-squid. I wouldn’t travel to Malheur. But I would do a tour wherever this stand was made.And send whatever material support I could muster up.

      2. I have some land in the middle of no where good A O spot for those that might need to bug contact me by replying to this post and the moderators can connect us.

      3. When the day comes, it would be nice to have that as an extra option for regrouping, Cap’n. Thanks for the offer- hope we don’t need it tho.

      4. It is nice gesture to provide property Capt, but unless you have several hundred thousand acres, carpet bombing or a tactical nuke would end it in a flash. Not such a good idea in my mind. best to walk 20 or 30 yrds. apart instead of having thousands of patriots crammed together on a hundred acres. SITTING DUCKS. And being in the middle of no where makes collateral damage much less a problem. yes I think this idea needs a lot more thought.

      5. It was meant as a place for the guys that this round up might try and pick up not for thousands. A place for a 10 to 50 guys could hide until we could come up with a plain of action to address the problems. 🙂

      6. Well each should meet up in their prospective states protect each other etc…
        My problem is every time I mentioned my local I only had one who even replied once, and never replied again so… Guess for me I’m on my own, but you others should watch out for each other and be willing to do what it takes to protect each other. OR congregate together somehow?

      7. When one honors and respects oneself, one is building inside oneself a foundation on which to build the ability to extend one’s love outward to one’s surroundings, in all aspects.

        Take care of yourself first, and the others will show up as if by magic. Don’t look to others — look inside yourself and take responsibility for the content of your own mind, monitor your mental states, be aware of the nature of every thought as thoughts jump into mind incessantly. Understand that all thoughts come into consciousness from only two psychological vortexes — Love, or Fear. All thought traces back in the mind to one of those two sources. I am always observing my thoughts. My ego sends up plenty of “Fear” thoughts, and when I see one trotting across the screen of my mind, I forgive myself for manifesting that thought and boot it out of my head, seeking for a good “Love” thought to put in its place. In my own way, I’m practicing autonomous mind control, and in so doing, I’m accepting and exercising full responsibility for my own mind, which is the closest thing in life to one’s soul.

        I’ve been doing that for many years, and over the years it’s become almost automatic. My relationships with people produce no enemy, no trouble. I live in a humble square log cabin in the woods, visit with the deer and Stellar’s Jays, squirrels and other high-country animals, enjoy my solitude in which I can write and do the work I do for Oath Keepers, in peace, in happiness, and totally without fear of the damned government knocking at my door. I readily know that most people reading this would see me as being the perfect idiot, and I forgive anyone who would think that, but the reality is that I’m a happy old man who is far removed from the wicked ways of the world, simply because I will not entertain fear thoughts — such as worrying about govgoons taking me out.

        I mention all that by way of suggesting that if you’re “on your own”, maybe that’s life’s clue that you can now work on your self-ownership. And if that’s true, your own individuality will shine through and draw serious-minded people to you and you’ll find some fine day you’ll have that network of mutual support with trusted friends who are like-minded. If that were to happen all over America, we’d have no problem any more with a big-britches nanny-state government, because people would no longer worship that sort of beast, and would not need it. And that is what Henry David Thoreau was alluding to when he said,

        “That government is best which governs least”; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe — “That government is best which governs not at all”; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have.”

        I, and most all of my friends, know that I’m crazy, so if that doesn’t make sense, please forgive. I’m prolly up past my bedtime, right? 😉

        Elias Alias, editor

      8. Sir, How long does it take for a Comment to post and is a against the rules of the board to post Phone Numbers? If so I apologize, because my first post had my phone numbers in it. Thank you you service and Thank you for your diligence and dedication as the Editor on Oath Keepers Site

      9. Sir,
        I just found and posted your comment, after I deleted your phone numbers. I’m sorry, but we don’t post phone numbers on this part of the site, primarily for your security. I have edited your comment to add how someone can connect with you by going through my editorial staff. Thank you for reading and commenting here.
        Please accept my apology for taking so long to get your comment posted. Thank you.

        Elias Alias, editor

      10. Elias, as others have said, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar. Your kind words have eased my tension some this morning.

        I have practicing your call for self-ownership for some years now, yet, I find myself isolated and alone in my thoughts and beliefs.

        Please read the articles and comments in “Oregon Live” and tell me there is something out there, besides ourselves, worth struggling for. We are compared to NAZIS, ridiculed, scorned, and dismissed by those who want us dead.

        I am not exaggerating here. Just last week I was enjoying a pint with a ‘liberal’ friend in a Portland tavern, when a bartender, who had heard some of our conversation, said to me, with an insanely contorted face, ” I wish they would just kill you and all those like you!” This from a man whose only hope of not being thrown from a building, should ISIS type folks gain some traction here, rests with armed Americans like myself. My liberal friend was stunned! I can guarantee you that, in this area, friends of the constitution are as rare as Baptists in Aleppo.

        All men and women who believe as we do need to decide whether they wish to live on their knees or shed their ‘mortal coil’. Believe me my friend those are the only choices left to us.

        In Liberty

      11. Regardless of what is going on in our country. Your words and wisdom of a realistic reality and perspective of oneself, and the life as a human being, are spot on, Sir…
        ~Semper Fidelis~

      12. Mine if not censored was to gather with each other in their own states and protect each other. But the Bugging out comment is good as well. I like I said have not been very silent as to where I live. But have never been able to successfully meet another near me. i did post this in the other

  10. I thought of giving a nom de guerre but at his point I don’t even care to wear a mask. Wouldn’t matter if my email were in your data base anyway.

    Shit just got real. For bus loads of individuals. This is not about whether or not Malheur was a good or bad op. This goes back to the Ranch.

    Many I know are asking….What is the Oath Keeper position on this?

    1. yes but only after their murder and win they didn’t have any warrants for anyone else until Malheur was lost. They even let the others go just to go back on their word to not arrest them later after it was all said and done.

    2. What is the Oath Keeper position on this? It is NOT a matter of what the Oath Keeper position is or is not. If that is what governs your will and soul, then you have not a business in this fight! The position that matters is the Oath you took. What was that Oath? What do YOU know of this issue? Obviously it speaks to your soul therefore, you know all too well what the Oath position entails. It is not any leader, military / elected/nor king to call you to the Champions portion sir, IF Champion you be! Only you yourself may say. “Na ceada san g-cath ; na deigheanacha as.”
      – trans. The First Into Battle, The Last Out of It.” I just came from reading history both the Battle of Thomond (Ireland) and also the Scottish “Clearances” of 1785 and 1842. Both shed light upon the level of treachery a conqueror may take among a people divisive unto themselves and suffering from identity obscurity. A great advantage may be taken among those who’s hesitation causes them to rethink their innate stances on liberty, property, and justice. We know all too well the little care to truth that has been given among our own people. And that alone gives the conqueror great impunity. Give an inch and a mile shall be taken against those who seek leadership not within each individual at the mirror of the soul, but rather among some other who might burden their own responsibility. This land was built for the Champions of truth, liberty, self-ownership, and human potential at large. Are you Sir, such a Champion? That is the only question you need an answer to. And you are capable of providing it. Cyrellys

  11. Call or write him to stand up for what’s right
    Headquarters – Las Vegas
    (702) 388-6336
    (800) 539-8002
    Reno Branch Office
    (775) 784-5438
    (800) 303-5545
    Headquarters – Las Vegas
    U.S. Attorney’s Office
    333 Las Vegas Boulevard South
    Suite 5000
    Las Vegas, NV 89101
    Reno Branch Office
    U.S. Attorney’s Office
    100 West Liberty
    Suite 600
    Reno, NV 89501

    I could not find an email address.

    Quote from press release on their website:

    “…This investigation began the day after the assault against federal law enforcement officers and continues to this day,” said U.S. Attorney Bogden. “We will continue to work to identify the assaulters and their role in the assault and the aftermath, in order to ensure that justice is served.”

    What assault? The assaulters? Their role in the assault? Lies, lies, lies.

  12. The real question is are people going to stand up? It does not look like it ,this all happen on our watch and we have nothing to be proud of here, we are leaving this mess for our kids and grand kids.
    The way they shot Lavoy down it proved that the constitution is a dead letter.
    It sickens me to see the cowardly government officials always hiding behind it when it suits them but let the citizen quote it then it means NOTHING.
    People should be at those court houses to stay until they get JUSTICE . Will that happen I doubt it..
    We have many problems here in our area that a few of us are standing up but it seems like we are so out numbered and no one will stand with us COWARDS YES but only because they have been taught to sit down and shut up..God help us as some of us march on for freedom as it seems no one else will..

  13. Self-Loathing or Self-Respect?
    To understand where we are as Americans today, I believe you need to first understand who we’ve become…to a man. Look a courageous man (if you can find one) in the eye, and then look a coward in the eye, if he can hold your gaze long enough. Among other things, you will see self-respect in the former, and self-loathing in the latter. The eyes are indeed the window to the soul. Just the other day we happened to have CBS on in the morning, and I had to freeze the shot of Charlie Rose after noticing how absolutely stone dead his eyes are…
    I’d like you to think about something for a moment. My wife and I were discussing movies we wanted to see. “Spotlight” was at the top of both our lists. Surprised, she said to me, “You do know what that is about don’t you?” And I said, “The truth is the truth.” But our exchange made me think…
    It forced me to ask myself the following question. What kind of society holds the Catholic religion fully responsible and accountable for the actions of those who violate the tenets of their faith by sexually abusing children…while refusing to hold Islam fully responsible and accountable for the actions of those who sexually abuse children, rape women, and murder unbelievers in the name of their Allah each and every day? Answer ~ A Self-Loathing Society!
    And then I thought about Europe, where women are told to stop being so attractive in response to Muslim rape gangs; and Jews are advised to stop wearing yamakas in response to their being attacked by the same invading hoards for being Jewish…and I realized European Society has moved from self-loathing to suicidal!
    Think of this insane chain of “Religion of Peace-Related” events in just one week:
    • Germany loses track of 130,000 refugees. ~ Ruh Roh!
    • The top U.S. military commander in Europe told lawmakers Tuesday that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS/ISIL) is infiltrating the ranks of refugees entering Europe, and that terrorists, returning foreign fighters and criminals are now part of the “daily” flow. (CNS) ~ OMG!
    • Candidates Speak Somali Only at Minnesota Caucus! When in Mecca!
    • FBI Caves to CAIR Demands, Scrubs ALL Reference to Islam & Jihad on New Anti-Terror Website! ~ Fool Me Three Times!
    • Obama Orders Terrorist Watch List Scrubbed to Protect Terrorists Civil Rights! ~ We’re Screwed!
    No Self-Respecting Society(s) is capable of such mind-numbing madness. Those who come the closest to identifying as real MEN are too busy clutching their pensions to “get involved” or stand up and speak out…as they slowly, subtly, softly and stealthily cull the mavericks from the herd.
    It occurs to me in this eleventh hour, in the waning moments of Western Civilization that the greatest enemy of mankind…of peace…of virtue…of our own precious freedoms and liberties isn’t the followers of Islam, as any rational mind would want to believe. They are only pawns just like the rest of us. The Establishment has brought this all on, deliberately and intentionally, to feed its own insatiable lust for power and control. If it is ever to be stopped, the time is now! Every single man, woman and child reading these words has a part to play at this moment in time. Self-Loathing or Self-Respect? It is ALL up to us!

    1. I was born in the Netherlands and served in the army.

      The number of refugees of fighting age is estimated at 5000.

      Since all governments lie the number may be 20,000.

      If Europeans can not overcome these fanatics they don’t deserve Europe as their Continent.

      1. The first girl to slice-and-dice my heart was from Leiden. We’ve lost touch, but I think of her often and worry since she is back there…as far as I know. Europeans need our prayers. But that’s Socialism for you…

      2. I have a niece in Leiden and we are very close.

        She says nothing about things being bad there.

        As a matter of fact she says ‘life is good’.

        Hope this is of some help to you.

      3. Thanks Henk! Yeah, I trust things may be good at present, but with PC having neutered most of the European male population (yourself excluded) and the “Sharia Index” pushing into the red…its only a matter of time….

  14. Many on the Utah newspaper site were stating that this settles the “Constitutional” question. Just because the guvment uses force and the power of law does not make it constitutional. No one is asking if the central government has the constitutional authority to even own that land. According to the Constitution they have authority and jurisdiction over 10 sq. miles for the seat of government, forts, and needful buildings. That is it, all other land is reserved to the states or the people (10 amendment). But notice this is not about right or wrong this is about compliance and how dare these uppity serfs not comply with the commands of their ruling class. America is, and has been for a while, more oppressed now than when we fought for independence (read the Declaration of Independence) and they had only single digit tax rates.

    1. Raven we cannot act as if the Civil War did not happen. Since reconstruction and incorporation of the United States we have operated under a sham constitution, a constitution always viewed by the courts from the perspective of the 14th amendment. That amendment converted all state Citizens into federal united states citizens reversing the order of authority from that of the State to that of the federal government. Military puppet governments ratified the 14th making it a corrupt and abominable addition and is the source of the subsequent uncontrolled growth of government. Today we live under the shadow of a revived roman empire ruled by the elite deep state. The organic Constitution is suspended and under glass, our only hope short outright bloody rebellion in an Article V Convention of the States.

      1. It is important to understand that just because Traitors re-wrote the US Constitution does NOT make it binding on the American people. Not the new ones they have made, nor any other.

        Our LEGITIMATE government is the US Constitution. All Lawful processes created it, and accepted it. That is not so about what the “new” stuff was written. Like a “law”/code/regulation/etc created that is NOT in Pursuance thereof the US Constitution it is NOT binding on the American people.

    1. Notice these reply’s from that page:
      More indictments listed in this article.
      Frank Boydston
      Frank Boydston
      21 hours ago

      Just think, all these”patriots” will now have the time to truly read and understand the real Constitution.
      22 hours ago


      About f’ing time.
      5gardenernorcalJohn Q. TaxpayerDeinapaladinLikeReply
      22 hours ago

      Has anyone seen any reporting of details on the arrest of Eric Parker? I’m curious but haven’t seen anything.

      I’ve seen reporting that about 20 vehicles showed up for the arrest of one of the Bundy sons yesterday. And DeLemus’ wife says the FBI forced their way into their condo with weapons drawn to arrest her husband. I am pleased and hopeful that they are using overwhelming force in all of these arrests. After all, these folks have demonstated that they should be considered dangerous. No more free Bundylands!

      Parker and some of his friends were especially adamant that he wouldn’t go down easily. I’d just love to know more about how it was done with no one injured
      4coyoteminstrelgardenernorcalFrank BoydstonDeinaLikeReply
      9 hours ago

      @Publiclandlover They all talked tough, but as soon as there was even a slight sign of a police action, these heroes fled so fast that many even left their precious guns behind. The truth is, most of these “patriots” have lived lives of comfort, drawing their incomes from various government programs and spending all their time pretending to be soldiers. The moment things get real, they flee because their afraid they might lose their welfare and actually have to get jobs.
      6 hours ago

      @SonofSpam @Publiclandlover

      I suspect the guns left were left by convicted felons & others who didn’t want to risk getting caught with them. At the cost of them, a firearm isn’t likely to simply be “forgotten.”

      22 hours ago

      The caged birds keep on singing.

      I’d bet the ones who have already been released really had a lot of info to share.
      1Frank BoydstonLikeReply
      Ernest Fornaught
      Ernest Fornaught
      23 hours ago

      Cows are not protected game. Bundy cows are our property now.

      The question is, what calibre would be “sporting” but “effective” in dropping unruly feral cows at 50 to 100 yards? I plan on being in Las Vegas in the fall, and would like a fun outdoor adventure.
      A retired cop
      A retired cop
      22 hours ago

      @Ernest Fornaught Anything that would be used on an elk or moose would be fine for cows.
      Ernest Fornaught
      Ernest Fornaught
      22 hours ago

      @A retired cop @Ernest Fornaught Thanks! Something bigger than a 30-30 then.
      A retired cop
      A retired cop
      22 hours ago

      @Ernest Fornaught @A retired cop A 30-30 would work with a very well placed shot. Remember it is wide open country and it’s not like you will loose your animal after shooting it if it runs off a bit, but a larger 30 cal round like 30-06 or 300mag would be better.
      A retired cop
      A retired cop
      22 hours ago

      @Ernest Fornaught @A retired cop Just remember that just because the government has a court ruling against bundy’s cows doesn’t make it legal for you to shoot them.
      22 hours ago

      @A retired cop While I certainly don’t condone illegal hunting of any kind, I think setting an open season in the Bundy cattle on public lands for however many years it takes to get them under control is a practical option. Naturally, as with any other game animal, the permit needs to specifically state “you shoot it, you eat it!”

      I might even be tempted to oil up the 300 Sav & go for a drive! 🙂
      21 hours ago

      @Deina @A retired cop Nice fantasy but in all likelihood, the bundy ranch will be full of well-armed lunatics for the next decade or two. Authorities will not allow hunters to go out there where gunfights would be probable. My guess is after the trial they’ll call in the national guard and round up the doggies with Humvees and camo tents. They’ll have a few horses and 4 wheelers.
      19 hours ago

      @mkemp @Deina

      Decade or two? Not likely! Once Cloven takes up permanent residence on Alcatraz, there will be nothing to hold anyone on his 160 acre melon farm, particularly after the feds take possession. Even if the bundyite delinquents were there tending melons, any hunting would be on public land, not at someplace where no Bundy will ever walk again.

  15. I was thinking- had Burns not happened, would these arrests have been made? It almost seems as if the lack of blowback from gov action has given gov the green light. I think some people will hear of these arrests, and unfortunately lump it all under the Burns debacle.

    1. You’re 1000% right Jerry. After LaVoy was murdered we did NOTHING! We responded in DROVES after the incident in NV but we did NOTHING in Oregon. That ABSOLUTELY gave them the green light to go after and SADLY I don’t think anything will come out of this other than 100’s of Patriots being kidnapped held hostage as political prisoners.

      1. @ Torch and Jerry, I hope you are wrong, but I think you are right. I could write a lot more on this, but it would be discouraging and also give too much away.

  16. Morning all,

    First, a link to a fellow who thinks much about freedom, and the responsibilities that come with same.

    As a country, we have left God behind in the dust… all the toys, all the ease which is our “lives” are about to disappear. Get used to that thought.

    What kind of country will your children/grandchildren live in? Think of the Soviet Union, think Архипелаг ГУЛАГ (The Gulag Archipelago, by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn).

    Those who put their trust in Jesus know what is coming. Those that don’t will be blindsided.

    I will see you on the line, or on the other side of the veil.

  17. If I’m not mistaken ; Filming Law enforcement official’s when their violating their oath of office ,The Supreme Court ruled that it’s Constitutional , it’s a First amendment right too do so ; One of the Bundy’s was exercising his Cnstitutional right’s ; Why was he charged when they were taking cattle ?

    1. yes but just recently they’ve gone back on that. THink it was Dave Hodges I seen it on or Steve Quayle or ANP all news pipeline one of them anyhows.

  18. One of the Bundy’s was filming law enforcement missing with their cattle ; The Supreme Court ruled that it is Constitutional for him too do so ; Why was he charged for exercising his Constitutional right’s ?

  19. The sheriff of Piute County in southern Utah made it clear that NO FEDS will be given any authority within his county and if need be, he will “deputize every citizen in the county if necessary to keep them out ! ”

    I believe this could be the beginning of patriot enclaves that will either stand together or die together.

    I would hope that Oath Keepers and others will compile a list of safe areas in the west/northwest.

    Random extractions will continue and is their safest M.O. They don’t like dealing with too many patriots at one time. It appears the NDAA is in full action and is equivalent to being arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, several months before.

    I would like to know how many individuals with “Black Lives Matter” are being rounded-up, and how many protestors involved in the Ferguson (arson terrorist acts) are sitting in jail without bond?

    Stewart and others (I would imagine) are very busy as this tyranny unfolds.

    If you live in Syria and are anti-government, plus you killed hundreds of police and soldiers under Assad….the same politicians involved with rounding-up Bundy conspirators that held signs and expressed their 2nd amendment rights, are the same politicians that lobbied congress for that initial 5 million dollars for the 5 guys in Syria. Plus….they received weapons and missiles.

    Not here though….just 5 to 20 years for being involved in a protest THEY didn’t like. And of course, that creates a new paradigm of reality.

    1. @ Rabid Dog, I think your idea is the best so far. CSPOA,should contact all of the sheriffs that signed up to protect the Constitution and we the people could flee and fight in these counties.Good Plan Man.

    2. Another couple of notes, I think this may be our do or die moment. There are many people that are waking up unfortunately they are putting their hope in the ballot box, slow learners I guess, and the PTB are getting antsi to fully implement Agenda 21. I really wish we had more time, but I think that time is run out and keep an eye on who else goes missing. And get those constitutional sheriffs to be real just like the free and the brave of America need to be.

    1. Do what you can as an individual. Groups are easy targets for their enemy(s). Individuals have the power to affect their community of like-minded men.

      1. “Do what you can as an individual. Groups are easy targets for their enemy(s). Individuals have the power to affect their community of like-minded men.”

        Individuals outspoken in their community get targeted every time they get in their vehicle. At night as an individual, a SWAT team of 20 come and round you up. It might make the 6pm local news and that’s it !

        That same individual living in a community of like minded patriots and a trusted Sheriff is like a bee hive that nobody really wants to tangle with, and if and when THEY do….as an individual, you have a better chance of living to fight another day.

      2. Hi,

        Do not speak of what you do!

        In times like these you cannot even trust your family or friends.

        I experienced 5 years of WW2 in the Netherlands and nobody spoke of things. If I found out something I told my mother only.

        It was not till after the war I found out that my sister had been distributing underground pamphlets.

        And as Elias made quite clear: there is NO privacy or anonymity on the Internet.

      3. …sorry, but WACO did not work out very well for that neighborhood. A friend suggest some sort of neighborhood compound, but I had to decline any support. One has to own the skies. The Oregon group had no aerial support which easily could have intelled their route prior to traveling a lonely road and provided constant cover. There are over 700,000 pilots in this country – make use of them. Many know tactical air support.

        Remember that the French Resistance worked well, individuals taking out one Nazi at a time. Hunt alone, quietly successful. I suspect it will be gorilla warfare that eventually cures the ills of this country. Being pleasant is nice, it sound pretty, but the evil we are up against is not playing nice. LIke Elias says, it’s up to you the individual. Chose wisely.

      4. Waco was an unfortunate event, but remember….both sides took a heavy hit and Waco will never be forgotten. Hillary Clinton helped cover-up her husband’s involvement with Waco by destroying the Foster files (herself).

        Many people will not vote for her because of Waco….

        Again…as an individual taking a stand and dying needlessly, might make the local back section of their newspaper and will be forgotten.

        The Liberty Movement today is a direct result of what happened at Waco and at Ruby Ridge.

        If you are not part of an organized group that stands watch, covers each other, etc, etc, don’t be foolish to think you can motivate your neighbors and sleep at night. In some cases yes, but for most…forget it ! They are likely dumb-down Liberal / Socialist morons.

        This government has made it their theme rant, “See something say something” and Liberal Joe across the street will be happy to report you if you talk negative politics with him.

        Sorry to say…we are right in that same timeline of Nazi Germany 1938/39 when all different sects were being identified, categorized and extracted.

        Don’t trust anyone….the time will come when (you) will be asked, “what the hell do we do now?”

        Leaders are all of us…..stay smart and keep watching, but more importantly, continue to feed THEM information to awaken those within their ranks to stand-up when the time comes.

        THEY fear their own within their ranks, and believe me….they do NOT trust each other. As soon as one of them speaks-up, they’re dismissed and/or set-up. That will change after a few more Waco’s.

      5. This is in reply to Rabid vDog’s post right below here. Thank you for your words, Sir, I feel you understand what I’ve encountered in my own neighborhood, trying to talk to people about what’s happening to our country and suggesting that they prepare. I got resistance and apathy. And I started with the conservative ones!
        One of my neighbors mentioned Michele Fiore and I got hopeful and said, Oh I really like her! She looked at me and said, Michele Fiore wants to shoot people in the head. I told her “Only Terrorists” but she insisted she wants to shoot everyone. Sheesh! In a previous conversation this neighbor made disparaging remarks about gun owners. So cross her and her husband off, guess everything’s fine under Obama, I’m not chancing talking to them anymore. Another neighbor, when I mentioned the threat from ISIS terrorists right within our own country, told me Muslims are nice people, they have friends who are Muslim. Yet another neighbor — found out they’re Hillary supporters — was drunk as a skunk at 5 in the afternoon when I knocked on the door; won’t count on them for anything. I could not even get the wives I spoke with to stock up on food and water, as I’ve been doing, to provide for our families. Now that’s something we women should easily be able to do.
        I even spoke with a police officer I think might be receptive about Oath Keepers. He said he doesn’t think they’re too radical a group. I was taken aback when he said the word “radical” and got scared off from talking with him any further.
        So I failed miserably! Now mind you, I’m not a Leader type, so I suppose I’m easily dismissed, but I did give it a try and am STILL trying. Now I may have identified someone else in my neighborhood who I can talk to, a veteran, so I’ll give it another try. Never met the man or his wife so I just have to ring the doorbell and hope they’re friendly!
        I definitely like the idea of the CPT — Stewart Rhodes is to be commended for developing this concept — and would very much like to help set one up in my area of the city, but it’s SO hard to find participants. And left-wing libtards are everywhere here. My local OK chapter is not organizing a CPT, and anyway the city is all spread out across many square miles, one CPT of 2 dozen people is not going to be able to cover a large city. It’s been very discouraging. If something happens, many people here will be unprepared.

      6. Thanks AM…..I feel your they say !

        This rogue government was very smart by keeping the southwest border open to illegal aliens. Because, when the SHTF you can bet that most of the Hispanic community, the Chinese, Middle Eastern types that cross that border (most everyday), will stand behind this rogue government against every one of us, no matter where that might be. That is their passage fee, to be paid in full when asked to.

        Most sovereign countries do not have a diverse population like America and are more likely to hit the streets with anything and everything they can find, be it rocks or molotov cocktails when their government gets out-of-hand….and if the U.S. government finds an opportunity, they seek-out the leaders and give them tons of money and weapons to help overthrow that government.

        It can’t happen here unless you are Black and you hate the White man and then you are given a pass by the Obama Administration. Hispanics would also be given a pass and as we have witnessed, there isn’t any rounding-up of Black Lives Matter (“arson terrorists”) and illegal aliens are lying low if Trump is elected.

        So…actually, who are the “privileged” in our society these days? Certainly not Whites ! Don’t get me wrong, my family is half Hispanic and Japanese, so don’t overload your shorts people.

        I’m only saying, the “divide and conquer” is well underway and Whites are the Christian, gun toters, ranchers and liberty lovers that are being rounded-up in AmeriKa.

        I believe things will become very interesting in the next few years, if Trump is not elected….and worse, if he is assassinated by the Glenn Beck’s in this country or Trump’s own party that really want Hillary Clinton crowned. The GOP needs a “token loser” as the nominee.

        The globalists are desperate and they see people like us and Trump standing in their way. THEY are on a mission to complete the land grab, gun grab and liberty/freedom grab before the people rise against them.

        Once WE lose this country to the New World Order globalists…it’s all over for freedom and humanity as we know it.

        What’s very unfortunate is the simple fact….over half this country are backing the NWO thugs and don’t even know it ! That’s because mainstream media is controlled by the CIA staffed producers that get all their marching orders from the State Department.

        It’s pure psychological warfare in action and if THEY can demonize ranchers and their cattle, the dumb-down public eat it up and want “justice.”

        It’s not winnable anytime soon and might never be unless extenuating circumstances happen, i.e. WWIII and/or Civil War brought-on by food/water shortages, round-ups, and/or Martial Law.

        The Trump revolution is real and very dangerous, and some of us might have to pay a heavy price, one way or the other.

      7. My reply to Rabid vDog’s last post in this conversation:
        Thank you, Sir, for your insightful comments. I enjoyed reading them and learning from you. You’ve helped me make sense of some things going on in our country. “The Trump Revolution” — I like that phrase! I’m supporting Trump, and pray he’ll turn things around. You’re right, we can’t lose our country to the NWO, because future generations won’t live in freedom. God bless you, Sir.

    1. This is a great article and if there were courts that could rule based upon the “organic” Constitution (pre 14th amendment) this would all be a point in fact. Unfortunately during reconstruction and later after United States incorporation (1871) roman civil law was put in effect and began meting out “justice” in military courts against a new class of citizen. Under this law Ceaser (the Judge) sits on his thrown and declares what the law is. Any organic constitutional argument i.e. “rights” will fail as the 14th amendment (the one the courts judge everything from) converts all rights to mere privileges. So, yes we can say the federal government has no jurisdiction in this matter but federal military courts will say otherwise and good men will spend the remainder of their days in a prison cell. Our ONLY hope is an Article V convention of the States to throw off the burden of federal citizenship and reassert the Sovereignty of the State. Else its bullets and the blood.

  20. You have to realize this is all about Obama trying to force an uprising to order Martal Law. With martial law you get NO ELECTION, he remains in office and his recruits from illegal aliens get activated into his quasi military AMERICORPS force. Please do not tell me “That ain’t gonna happen.” because he said he was going to do it and It has been happening.

    Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO:
    “[As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a
    common purpose.

    People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve.
    Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and
    environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

    We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.

    We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA
    Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your
    hours and activities.

    This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.”

    Meanwhile back in Utah the Mormon Church has already provided the US Government a complete listing of their membership. And all those who have followed Mormon doctrine by storing food and supplies for 7 years will have their stores taken to feed Obama paramilitary troops all across the country.

    Those who choose not to give up their stores readily will be shot as criminal “HOARDERS” even though it was their own hard earned monies spent to feed their own families when times got rough.
    You see it has always been that way with criminal government. Like religion taking from the people without any REAL concern for the people. WE THE PEOPLE are only seen as a source of income to the parasitic criminal Elite whether it be religious or government. Who do drug cartels prey on? Fools and idiots and when they do not pay what happens?….

    If the average American HAD A CLUE as to why the Founding Fathers set up and wrote the US Constitution AS THEY HAD, it was all to prevent exactly what is happening, a domestic threat. If schools had actually TAUGHT THE US CONSTITUTION, it’s intent and not the paraphrased dishonor they are teaching America would not be turning into the 3rd world outhouse it is.

    Do you even realize the Founding Fathers of America were also labeled “terrorists” and “radicals”? Do you know that most of them died creating this country?

    If the clueless idiots who have commented here had any idea the IMPORTANCE TO AMERICA the actions of the Bundys, the Hammonds and the Finicums of this world have been you would be talking out the other side of your faces. Instead you denigrate real actual heroes who are putting their lives on the line and dying for your rights. These peaceful ‘terrorists’ were protecting the lives and the lands that they owned. They were not rioting, they were not raping, they were not pillaging they were taking a stand in peaceful protest and any twit who says, “But they had guns!” forgets our Right to Heep and BEAR arms. You also forget the interlopers called the BLM and the FBI were dressed out in full military tactical gear. Does one only take a picket sign to a possible massacre? The only shots fired AT THE BUNDY RANCH were those of BLM killing Cliven Bundy’s cattle, his personal property ON HIS OWNED LAND.

    What is is called when the fruits of your labors are taken without your permission and destroyed or given to people YOU would never give them to? SLAVERY! The massa comes and takes your children, the massa comes and takes your income, the massa comes and takes your food. The master will come and take your lives. It has happened throughout history and the US Constitution backed up by patriots and Oath Keepers is the only thing that has stood between you and complete slavery.

    1. “… this is all about Obama trying to force an uprising to order Martial Law”

      You need to understand that like much of what Obama, Bush 1, the Clinton’s, Bush 2 have all done are crimes, even Treason against Americans.

      There is NO such thing as “Martial Law” here in America; NOR is there any such thing as “Emergency Powers”.

      Dr. Edwin Vieira says it well here: Dr. Edwin Vieira:
      “This has nothing to do with personalities or subjective ideas. It’s a matter of what the Constitution provides…

      The government of the United States has never violated anyone’s constitutional rights…
      The government of the United States will never violate anyone constitutional rights, because it cannot violate anyone’s constitutional rights. The reason for that is: The government of the United States is that set of actions by public officials that are consistent with the Constitution. Outside of its constitutional powers, the government of the United States has no legitimacy. It has no authority; and, it really even has no existence. It is what lawyers call a legal fiction.

      … the famous case Norton v. Shelby County… The Court said: “An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties. It is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”

      And that applies to any (and all) governmental action outside of the Constitution…”
      What are the defining characteristics of a limited government? They are its disabilities; what it does not have legal authority to do. Look at the First Amendment… What does it do? It guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion. But how does it do that? I quote: “Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press” etcetera. “Congress shall make no law;” that’s a statement of an absence of power. That’s a statement of a disability. ”

      If we go to the doctrine of “Emergency Powers,”… what was the foundational case that put that doctrine on the constitutional map? It was Knox vs. Lee, the legal tender cases brought after the Civil War.

      … read a dissenting opinion by Justice Stephen Field, the only Justice on the Supreme Court who had the integrity to dissent in every legal tender case that he heard. He wrote a dissenting opinion in Dooley vs. Smith, in 1872. He wrote, “The arguments in favor of the constitutionality of legal tender paper currency tend directly to break down the barriers which separate a government of limited powers from a government resting in the unrestrained will of Congress. Those limitations must be preserved, or our government will inevitably drift from the system established by our Fathers into a vast, centralized, and consolidated government.”

      You notice he was not talking specifically about the monetary powers. He wasn’t saying that these arguments would lead to the monetary powers being unrestrained. It was destroying the concept of limited government. “The arguments in favor of the constitutionality of legal tender paper currency tend directly to break down the barriers which separate a government of limited powers from a government resting in the unrestrained will of Congress.” How do you define, or how would you characterize, a government resting in the unrestrained will of Congress, or any other political body? It is by definition a totalitarian government…

      The Federal Reserve System was there when the greatest banking collapse in American history occurred, in 1932-1933, and in what was called the Great Depression of the 1930s. In that period what happened? The Roosevelt New Deal. What were the powers they were screaming for? Emergency powers. You’ll find that written into many statutes, e.g., The Emergency Banking Act of 1933. You should pay attention to the title, The Emergency Banking Act of 1933, and the “Aggregate Powers” doctrine. It’s been all downhill since then.

      How should that have been done? Well, Americans would have had to understand and enforce their Constitution. You notice I say Americans, not the Congress or the Supreme Court, because who is the final arbiter of this document? [holding a copy of the Constitution] It is not Congress, and it is not the Supreme Court. It is “we the people.” Read the thing. How does it start? “We the people do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States”; not “we the politicians,” not “we the judges.” Those people are the agents of the people. We the people are the principals.
      The doctrine is very clear that, being the principals, we are the Constitution’s ultimate interpreters and enforcers. You don’t have to take my word for it. Let’s go back to the Founding Fathers…
      The Founding Fathers were profound students of law and political philosophy, their knowledge unequaled by any today. Their mentor in that era was William Blackstone, who wrote Blackstone’s Commentaries, probably the most widely read legal treatise of its time, certainly here in the United States. What did Blackstone write about this subject?
      He wrote, “Whenever a question arises between the society at large and any magistrate vested with powers originally delegated by that society, it must be decided by the voice of the society itself; there is not upon earth any other tribunal to resort to.” We the people are the Constitution’s ultimate interpreters. (Dr. Edwin Vieira, ) (end quote)

      Notice that it was the Supreme courts “gave” “emergency powers”, though it was not, and still is not, a power granted to them to give or use.

  21. “Never forget – the BLM pointed guns at innocent ranchers and their family before anyone pointed guns back at the unlawful BLM criminals.” <—- Most important aspect of this whole situation. You may have been able to simply state this and drop the mic, Elias…..

  22. It is clear that a foreign entity has taken over the American Gov by the actions taken here and around the country.The real American Gov lives,abides and rules by the laws of the Constitution.We all know that.Right?This entity does not they rule by force and fictional laws they create.I pray that this will be the great Awakening of the brainwashed and manipulated.Especially the law enforcement and military folks.

  23. Do you realize how many good law enforcement agents that the DOJ had to go through, before they found enough bad agents, willing to go through with these show arrests?

  24. Months Before the British marched into Lexington, they first raided a militia powder house in Charlestown. They captured 250 half barrels of black powder and two field guns. They were in and out in less than an hour. Riders went out of Boston to spread the news and by the time the news reached Israel Putnam in Connecticut, the story had changed. He was told the British fleet had bombarded Boston and it was burnt to the ground. Israel immediately assembled his staff and put the word out to every unit within 50 miles. Within hours 40,000 militia were on the road to Boston. Messengers intercepted Putnam several miles outside Boston and told the true account of what actually happened. With that, the men returned home to fight another day.

    This isn’t September 1774. It’s 2016. Patriots respond to these events in numbers but go home eventually where they are not surrounded with thousands of other patriots. They are on their own. Even if you have a local team to watch your back, they won’t be able to help when you stop at 7/11 for smokes and get arrested as you step out of the truck.

    In 1774 even a small British detachment attracted attention so patriot messengers could ride ahead and warn of their advance. Everybody had the opportunity to prepare or flee. Not so anymore and there’s no way around it.

    The federal plan thus far has been to pull back, prevent the confrontation and arrest key people at a later date without the prospect of serious resistance. It seems to be working for them and it gives them the high ground.

    How are patriots going to prevent the same ultimate demise in the future?

    1. Concerned Patriot
      The squatters of the Republic will most likely continue with this tactic that concerns you and most others most likely until the final phase is taken operational. That is to use the cover of economic collapse to ATTEMPT to mop things up in the patriot community and notify the sleeping citizenry that they are in fact slaves and have been for quite some time. So this time MUST be used to prepare you and your family to survive what lies ahead. If your wife and kids are starving and vulnerable you, I, and any others will be totally useless in fulfilling duty to oath and republic when that time arrives. Stay vigilant, continue to tie up loose ends, and KNOW you are walking in the Light.

  25. It really gets old watching people support a “”Constitution” that gave them the people (“government”) that they’re complaining about.
    Read some Lysander Spooner.

  26. And the Oathkeepers stood by as they arrest ranchers unlawfully and shot them in ambushes. The thousands of militias backed off from 200 federals troops. We are already slaves. Actions speak louder than words.

  27. Ain’t one functional government in the whole wide world where pointing guns at cops is legal. Pointing guns at cops is illegal. Find a mirror and say that three times out loud. It is a good thing to remember.

    1. You could use a reality check. Sheesh! Dude, the BLM pointed guns at the Bundy family before anyone at Bundy Ranch pointed guns at the cops. Have you got that fact now firmly installed into your mind? Good. Because that changes everything. Stick with me, and you’ll see.

      Now let’s look at the next step in the logic here. When anyone points a gun at a citizen, that citizen has full right to point a gun back at the person initiating the encounter. Got that? It’s called “self-defense” and it’s an unalienable right in this country. If a cop points a gun at an unarmed citizen, that cop has just violated the law and HE is the one who is the transgressor. He has just given up his rights by threatening a citizen’s rights first. The use of deadly force, or the threat thereof, is serious business, and any cop will tell you that.

      Next you need to tell me which Bundy family member pointed a gun at any cop, okay? Can you do that, or is your illusionment so full of thick soup that you have only imagined that the Bundys (or Finicum, or Hammonds) pointed guns at anyone? Try to understand this — not one of the Bundys or LaVoy Finicum ever pointed a gun at a damned government thug. Not one of them. These people are all political prisoners.

      So you say, “Well, what about that guy on the bridge down at Bundy ranch — he was pointing a gun at the cops, right?” And to that I shall reply that once again, the damned BLM thugs were pointing guns at the citizens FIRST! Not only that, the thugs were using a bullhorn to shout at the protesters, saying that they would shoot the protesters if they did not get back. The people in this country do indeed have a right to defend themselves against berserk and illegal law enforcement.

      Now if you still have trouble grokking all the above, and cannot post intelligent comments here, I’ll just deal with it one by one, but don’t be surprised if your comments have trouble getting posted here.

      Elias Alias, editor

      1. “the BLM pointed guns at the Bundy family before anyone at Bundy Ranch pointed guns at the cops. ”

        Any proof of this?

      2. Software is not functioning properly at the moment. Can’t seem to get pictures to post in comment text box at the moment. Please just click the link. Thank you. And btw, this pic was taken before any “militia” showed up to protect the family. Thought everyone knew this…

        I have placed the picture at the bottom of the article atop this comments thread.
        Elias Alias, editor

    2. Ed, repeat this three times: When government officials repeatedly violate the law and the rights of the citizens, it is the citizens’ right, it is their duty to resist such criminality, with force if necessary. Any issue of illegality is irrelevant, and frankly absurd.

      1. If you really believe that, then you are in a failed revolt. You guys want to dress up, but even the inconvenience of being arrested for breaking the law seems to surprise you.

        You are advocating chamge by intimodation and violence. Being killed should be a possible outcome in your head. Arrest should count as mercy.

      2. Ed,

        If such is the case, than how do you justify the activities and actions of the founding fathers and patriots of the time? We’re we not a colony of Briton? Did we not consider ourselves Englishman? Did the English authority not raise guns to take life, liberty and property? Did we not respond, at some point, by raising guns to preserve life, liberty and property? If you believe they were justified than at what point were they justified? At what point are we justified?

      3. Ed, you’re on thin ice here. The next thing I see out of you had better be a statement saying what “law” has been broken. I’m not aware of any law being broken. What law did anyone break? Just say which law you think someone broke.

        Elias Alias, editor

      4. Ed,

        This is NOT a revolt, this is DEFENDING THE US CONSTITUTION, our legitimate government which is the CONTRACT that all who serve within our governments are under – state and “federal” , bound to it by an Oath that makes that contract lawfully and legally stronger.

        It is a felony and the crime of Perjury to break the Oath required of ALL who serve within our governments, all positions great and small.

        The US Constitution DEFINES our government and IT is the supreme LAW of this nation, and ALL laws/regulations/codes/etc MUST be in pursuance thereof it to be binding on the American people. ALL treaties must also follow it to be binding on the USA.

        The “revolt” is Treason by those who serve within our governments, it is committed on their part as the “contract” that they MUST abide by IS in writing. By using force to commit these crimes it is also *Terrorism on their part.

        *28 C.F.R. Section 0.85 Terrorism is defined as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”.

        Thomas Jefferson: “When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”

        Alexander Hamilton: “The only constitutional exception to the power of making treaties is, that it shall not change the Constitution… On natural principles, a treaty, which should manifestly betray or sacrifice primary interests of the state, would be null.”

        Alexander Hamilton: “… a treaty cannot be made which alters the Constitution or which infringes any express exceptions to the power of the Constitution of the United States.”

        Alexander Hamilton, concerning the supremacy clause, Federalist 33: “It will not, I presume, have escaped observation that it expressly confines the supremacy to laws made pursuant to the Constitution.”

        Alexander Hamilton: “There is no position which depends on clearer principles that that every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.”

        St John Tucker: “The congress of the United States possesses no power to regulate, or interfere with the domestic concerns, or police of any state: it belongs not to them to establish any rules respecting the rights of property; nor will the constitution permit any prohibition of arms to the people;…”

        Abraham Lincoln: “We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution”

        Benjamin Franklin: “In free governments the rulers are the servants, and the people their superiors and sovereigns. For the former, therefore, to return among the latter was not to degrade but to promote them.

        Basically you are either very ignorant of our type of government or a “useful stooge” for them.

      5. Ed, the police had already performed assault on protestors that were not in the “Free Speech Zone” designated by said police, long before guns were drawn. Had the police started killing unarmed men and women, they would have been performing “Bills of Attainder.”

        Fact is, they would have started killing folk, had those guns not been pointed their direction. From your comments, it appears you are ok with murder/slaughter of innocents and unconstitutional acts by OUR Government?

  28. I honestly don’t know what to think! NO call to action by Oath Keepers. After one of your own is arrested. With more arrests of OK members expected.

    Oath Keepers ASKED its members and others to go to Bundy Ranch to protect the Bundy family from being Waco’ed. It was the right call to make, and the right thing for both OK members and non-members to do. Some of us who are not OK members went because we believe in and respect OK, and will do as OK advises, if we are physically able. We were also asked to go by a state legislator, to be an unarmed buffer between the BLM guns and the Bundy family. We heeded your calls and we went. We told spouses to care for our children should we never return. We said goodby to our loved ones. We did not know what we were getting into, we just knew that we could not sit idly by and watch this innocent pioneer ranching family be Waco’ed. So we went to Bundy Ranch. And God was merciful, and violence was averted and the threat was removed.

    Now it seems as though Stewart Rhodes is leaving every one on their own. Why isn’t there at the very least a statement from OK strongly condemning the arrests of good men who went to protect an innocent family who was literally in the crosshairs of the fed gov, with snipers aiming rifles at women and children? Will a plan of action be announced? I’ll call my Congressman and Senator (already have after Cliven Bundy was arrested) and ask for their help, but their office staffs say there is little they can do.

    PLEASE give us some direction. Tell us what we should do. The Bundy family — the women who are now left alone — still need our help. The Oath Keepers and CSPOA members who answered your call need our help. We look to your leadership, Mr. Rhodes. And No, I myself do not know what to do, I have no plan. But I’m not an intelligent leader, I’m not a veteran. I look to Oath Keepers. Please tell members and followers what we can do to help. Thank you.

    1. @AM
      Here’s the first thing you can do…come out from behind your pseudonym and stand with the man who came out from behind his to LEAD this organization 7 years ago!!

    2. Sorry for being so harsh, but you have to understand that we “civilians” look to Oath Keepers and CSPOA as heroes. You military veterans and good police officers ARE our heroes. We look up to you. I realize you do much work behind the scenes that we’re not even aware of. But we feel frustrated because we want to help but don’t know what to do. It’s not right that brave young men who answered a call to protect a family from being Waco’ed by our government are now being arrested. I was not there armed, I was not at the stand off, I arrived later after it was all over. But I don’t believe any of those men meant to harm anyone, as they were there to protect innocents. I’ll call my Congressman’s and Senator’s offices again this week and ask them to help. And I’ll pray for all the Oath Keepers and CSPOA and militiamen. Don’t know what else to do. Again, my apologies for being harsh. I still greatly admire and respect you all.

      1. AM…I didn’t read you as harsh. I understand your concern and frustration. Oath Keepers welcomes “associate” members. I myself am one. I never had the pleasure to serve. We just need people to step and join Oath Keeper Chapters wherever they live. We are introducing CPT and developing relationships with local government where I live in the lower Hudson Valley. We need to educate and with any luck, find good sheriffs! Thanks for your kind words AM…

    3. AM, Remember,A wise man is not wise because of how much he knows but because he realizes how much he dosn”t know.

  29. This is posted on the OK National Facebook page. It’s a story from nearly 2 years ago, but it’s a much needed reminder that some powerful people in government want the land that Bundy Ranch sits on.

    The US government bought up all the land from ranchers in the Gold Butte area; Bundy Ranch is the last ranch there, and Mr. Bundy refused to sell like the others did. There is very little privately held land around the ranch, most of the parcels show the owner as “USA.” Also, Reid Bunkerville LLC owns some parcels in this area. Plus we’re now seeing an old mineral survey which shows uranium in this area. Could this be the real reason the government wants ranchers off this land, to sell the mining rights for the uranium? Is the land really needed for a mitigation area for the planned Chinese solar farm? Or is the land grab about valuable minerals beneath the land? It’s sure not about the desert tortoise, when a government conservation center took hundreds off the land and then killed them, poor little things. Congress should open an investigation into what is really behind the government’s aggressive efforts to grab this land at Bundy Ranch.

    Reports: Company Tied to Reid’s Son Wants Land in Bundy Standoff

    P.S. I must clarify. Only the link to the article is posted on the OK National Facebook page. The paragraph is my own words, NOT from Oath Keepers.

  30. @ Elias if I sounded whining I apologize I wasn’t’ whining. But as you see there are others here who feel similar as I do. We see all these good people getting arrested for bogus charges, of which it doesn’t matter if it’s unconstitutional or not they’re still doing it. And Like Am above were all like WTF. As for the look to my Neighbors One is a Bernie Sanders supporter the rest are so scared of their shadows around me and speak very little English. The one I do talk to when asked if he’d heard about all this he said no, and really wasn’t concerned with what I had to say any hows. But again not whining. As for being prepared as I’ve stated that is why I haven’t been too silent as to where I live so if needed I can find someone with like minded attitude.
    I do if he’s still around have a Lawyer who I talked to just shortly after Newtown, and he said yes he’d represent me if I needed. As AM above stated I’m only a civilian I joined to be part of something, and people who know how to do stuff I don’t.
    As for the getting worse, yes! I am sure it will. Prophecy in the Bible makes it clear it will.
    On my own side note, and can’t speak for all but I do believe were witnessing what is called the Remanent in Prophecy here so….
    Hopefully my apology is accepted as it was meant, and that I do indeed have a pair as you so stated, this just sucks seeing good people get arrested and persecuted/prosecuted over what is their God giving right to do so.

    1. csaaphill, I will answer your posting below, and hope to conclude that no apology is necessary at all. I’ll also offer my apology to you if I was a bit blunt. I’ve been dealing with the humanity factor with Oath Keepers for seven years now, and I grow a bit tight around the nerves sometimes — I’m nicer when I’ve had an old man’s rightful nap. 😉
      So to your post.

      You said: @ Elias if I sounded whining I apologize I wasn’t’ whining. But as you see there are others here who feel similar as I do. We see all these good people getting arrested for bogus charges, of which it doesn’t matter if it’s unconstitutional or not they’re still doing it. And Like Am above were all like WTF.

      My reply to that — we all stand in amazement that the government will be so openly criminal. It shows me that the elite are frightened by the general awakening, and are trying to, in typical government fashion, clamp down on it before it grows. Or, as that idiot Senator in Oregon termed it, “We don’t want that virus to spread” [my paraphrase]. So government is taking off the gloves with an intent shining in its eye — the intent to shut down the Constitutionist insurrection. It staggers me to grasp just how arrogant and candidly the government now openly declares that it need not be held to its founding legal charter, and so hates the restrictions that document places on governmental acquisition of concentrated power, that it will use brute force of militarized police in combat garb with battlefield equipment to keep the People down. I’ve never seen a better assessment of tyranny than the portrait our government’s actions now display. So I join you and the others here who are asking, WTF? A lot of Americans are feeling the same way, Bro.

      You saidAs for the look to my Neighbors One is a Bernie Sanders supporter the rest are so scared of their shadows around me and speak very little English. The one I do talk to when asked if he’d heard about all this he said no, and really wasn’t concerned with what I had to say any hows. But again not whining.

      My reply — Sorry about your luck. I suggest moving. Oath Keepers does not have a chapter in every town across the nation, despite what the SPLC is telling DHS. 😉 Maybe you can’t move, but if you can’t, then I don’t know what to suggest. Truth is, I’m not in the suggesting game anyway. Every man sees his own vision and makes his own choices in life, and takes the consequences as they fall. A men either sees something or he doesn’t, and if he doesn’t, nothing I could say would help him anyway. I only talk with people who don’t need to be taught that we’re in deep doo-doo. Keep your eye out for someone who can talk with you, and buy him a beer or drink and just be friends, without pushing anything, just letting him lead the conversation, and soon enough he’ll give you an opening and y’all will discover some things you have in common and relax into a more candid conversation. That’s where the work is done, Bro. One mind at a time, in real space and real time, face to face. But always remember to let the dude take the lead in the conversation. That automatically relaxes his inner barriers and he’ll hear you better for it when you do add something to what he’s just said. Either that, or move to the Northwest Redoubt where the woods are crawling with lions and bears and all known species of patriots.

      You stated As for being prepared as I’ve stated that is why I haven’t been too silent as to where I live so if needed I can find someone with like minded attitude. I do if he’s still around have a Lawyer who I talked to just shortly after Newtown, and he said yes he’d represent me if I needed. As AM above stated I’m only a civilian I joined to be part of something, and people who know how to do stuff I don’t.

      My reply — Aha! I see. You joined expecting a group in which you could interact and become an active member. That would be the ideal circumstance, and I hope you end up being able to do that. It all depends on where you live. Some of our State chapters are very well organized and have intra-State districts or regions where meetings are held. It all depends on where you live. Many people join and find that there are no close-by active chapters, and so they inquire about starting a chapter. You might find help by clicking on the State Chapters link in the right-hand column on this page and asking about how to connect. Maybe you’ve already done that and got no response from anyone close by, I don’t know. But that’s all I can think of short of moving out to the Northwestern mountain States where lots of citizens have a different take on freedom than paople in other parts of the nation.

      You said As for the getting worse, yes! I am sure it will. Prophecy in the Bible makes it clear it will.
      On my own side note, and can’t speak for all but I do believe were witnessing what is called the Remanent in Prophecy here so….

      My reply — I am an unemployed poet. I grok the fabulous nuances available in language when one uses the poet’s tools of figurative language. I’m not a Christian, but was raised one until I went off to war, which helped me graduate from Christianity into a more spiritually-oriented life-view, so I’m an Agnostic. To me, being Agnostic means that I don’t think I know enough to make a fully informed decision about what the heck I should believe. I’m open to anything that looks like truth to me. But having said that, I’ll also say this — anyone who can’t see Biblical prophecy fulfilling itself these days ain’t payin’ attention, yes? Look at the Federal government’s fixation on and addiction to the Middle East, for example. Don’t the fools know they’re playing the devil’s game by just even being there? Holy Sheesh, Mon! But the signs are everywhere, and I ain’t overlooking that while I’m searching for what, after all, to believe. I just don’t put my observations into Christian terminology. Like I said, I’m an unemployed poet. 😉

      You saidHopefully my apology is accepted as it was meant, and that I do indeed have a pair as you so stated, this just sucks seeing good people get arrested and persecuted/prosecuted over what is their God giving right to do so.

      My reply — If I recall correctly, the Good Book said something about “there shall be wailing and gnashing of teech…”, right? I talk with all types of people all over the country, and a great wind seems to be stirring the masses in their slumbers. People interpret it in their own subjective ways, individually, but most everyone now knows that something very wrong is afoot in our country. Your apology is accepted but it is also unnecessary. We’re all freaked out, Bro, that this insanity is actually happening here in America. I rely upon my spiritual balance to keep my sanity and keep my cool. I resent having to do that, because I’d rather be writing poetry and making jewelry, but at the same time, I see the blessing in experiencing the conscious awareness of the times, for, behold, the magnitude of the circumstance is perhaps the most intense of all human history. I forgive everyone for everything, including myself. I forgive those who think they are my enemy and would seek to control or regulate me, license me and tax me and prescribe my behavior patterns, enforced by the might of the government’s armies of agents and troops. They just do not know what they’re doing to their own descendants, so obviously they are innocent. To counter their drive against me I simply forgive them before they even act on me, and far out! they don’t! 😉
      I am way behind on work, so I’m out of here. Bests to you and all who identify with your situation. Keep powder dry, metals oiled, food on hand, and a source of water that you can protect. And if you’re Christian, pray. But above all, keep your soul free of fear’s thought system, for fear will tie you to the body, and you’ll end up fearing death instead of facing it with a sense of purpose, with dignity, with the demonstrated will to die a free man in honor of your Maker.

      Elias Alias, editor

  31. Report by Tim Brown — March 12, 2016
    Freedom Outpost

    LaVoy Finicum’s Widow to File Wrongful Death Suit against Oregon State Troopers: We Have Evidence that will “Shock the Conscience”

    LaVoy Finicum’s widow, Jeanette Finicum, announced this week that she would be pursuing a wrongful death lawsuit against officials in Oregon. Her husband was murdered on January 26, 2016 in an ambush orchestrated by the Oregon State Police and the FBI. The Oregon State Police are attributed with the fatal shots.

    “My family and I reject the biased, whitewash findings and conclusion reported yesterday,” Mrs. Finicum told media at a press conference at the Washington County Building in St. George on Wednesday.

    Jeanette Finicum Press Conference 03-09-16

    According to the autopsy report of LaVoy Finicum, which was conducted by Clifford C. Nelson, MD, Finicum was shot multiple times in the back. And we know from the video that was taken from Shauna Cox’s cell phone that more shots were fired than just those that struck Finicum. In fact, FBI agents are under investigation for at least two rounds they fired.

    Finicum was shot through the shoulder in the back, through the back into his chest and through the back into his abdomen. Though, he was dead, according to the autopsy report, those on the scene decided to handcuff him with his hands behind his back.

    Yet, both the FBI and the Oregon State Police claim that the shooting was justified, even though no lives were in danger but Finicum’s and those in his vehicle.

    Yet, Mrs. Finicum claims that she and her attorneys have evidence that the roadblock was a setup, or as eyewitness Victoria Sharp said, “an ambush.”

    “I believe, my family believes, my lawyers believe that this evidence will ‘shock the conscience,” she said.

    Mrs. Finicum also claims that the video produced by the Department of Justice was selectively edited and that the uncut version shows her husband with his hands up and walking away from his vehicle, which it does.

    “A man to the right of the video obviously fired some projectile at him. Immediately he leaned over to his left hip area where it appeared some projectile hit him,” claims Finicum.

    She also said that investigators left her husband in the snow for upwards of ten minutes without any type of medical attention because they knew they had killed him.

    US Attorney for the District of Utah seems most concerned over a potential coverup in the FBI.

    “The greater concern though is, why would an individual lie about firing their weapon? And then did others know and are they covering for him?” Tolman asked.

  32. Levoy Finnicum from Malheur refuge UTAH was fired on by military contractors not FBI. Hence the reason no bullet casings found. Not FBI weapons but personal weapons tuned by said contractors and not FBI authorized ammunition hence the reason they will not reveal casings.

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