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Grassroots Action Proposed for Constitutional Militia

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Guns require trained and disciplined hands to preserve or restore freedom. (Battle of Guiliford Courthouse 15 March 1781 )

“It is rather pointless to talk about ‘militia-suitable arms’ without talking about the Militia and their revitalization as the only way to preserve ‘the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,’” Edwin Viera commented in response to my latest update on the status of a Maryland gun ban case in the 4th Circuit Court of appeals.” If there are no constitutional Militia in operation, and this state of affairs is lawfully within the power of Congress and the States to continue, then what meaning does ‘militia-suitable arms’ have in practice?

“If, on the other hand, the Militia were in operation, then essentially any and every type of ‘Arms’ which had any conceivable use by the Militia (which is essentially every conceivable type of “Arms”) would be absolutely protected by the Second Amendment and the Militia Clauses of the original Constitution, and thus secure against phony judicial ‘tests’ such as ‘strict scrutiny’ and ‘intermediate scrutiny,’ which anyone with two brain cells to rub together can understand to be schemes for defeating constitutional rights, not protecting them.”

He’s right, of course. And deterrent effects of independent “We are Everywhere” potentials notwithstanding, the Founders were right when they deemed “a well regulated Militia … necessary to the security of a free State.”

But that doesn’t mean it’s “pointless to talk about militia-suitable arms.” The report was about a case where collectivists are trying to ban them, and what’s in front of the court is more narrowly focused . The larger Militia point and solution — especially what it will take to actualize it – will not be resolved in this particular case.

Put another way, if someone is attacking you, your focus will be on immediately stopping him, even though a greater societal goal to work toward exists. Sure, I want to win the battle and the war and establish liberty and justice for all. Right now, though, I just don’t want this guy to stick a bayonet in my guts.

There is a group working right now toward restoration of the Constitutional Militia and other goals, and it’s sharing that message and hoping to recruit members and support: AmericaAgain! I was approached by their founder a few months back and, while I found merit in many of their ideas, had concerns about the way they were presented.  I see they have a reworked video message which merits being shared, because it opens the door to discussing what one group is going forward with to make the Militia as articulated in the Constitution a reality.

I won’t be surprised if there are still some people who will find points of contention, which is not the discussion I hope to invite here. I’m asking you to look at the ideas presented in the video, and particularly focus on what you think could work and what your role in making that happen could be.

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David Codrea blogs at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance (WarOnGuns.com), and is a field editor/columnist for GUNS Magazine. Named “Journalist of the Year” in 2011 by the Second Amendment Foundation for his groundbreaking work on the “Fast and Furious” ATF “gunwalking” scandal, he is a frequent event speaker and guest on national radio and television programs.

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  1. I liked it, while i know i might get some backlash for this comment, but in the video it includes some extreme terminology that discludes and can turn away people who may agree with you. Using the term “Perverts” and showing a gay couple. This extreme can hurt our cause. I am all for marriage being between a man and woman and sacred to the church, but not to the government or a militia that is for the people and of the people. To be clear, while I oppose gay marriages being acknowledged by the government, i do not oppose them as people or their ability to enter into a union. It’s gods area to judge, not mine; I will fight along side anyone who wants to see this nation back to the way it was originally designed to run, gay, strait or bi, when it comes to the person burning my ears all i care is that he shoots strait and has my 6!!!

    1. I was done when I came to that part. I am not interested in moral judgments, I simply want to live in a country where people are free to decide things for themselves, not where they try to say what is right or wrong for other people. Marriage, gay straight or otherwise is just one more place where the government should have no say.

    2. So, to heck with Isaiah 5:20 then? Why is it that other people and other Christians routinely mix up the terms “judgement” and “discernment”?
      Another thing, are you saying to heck with parents feeling that feel the forced “acceptance” and indoctrination of our children is not tantamount to child abuse? That “those people” are robbing them of their innocence. Certain groups in that community have openly stated that one of their “main objectives” is to destroy the family unit.

      1. Highsite and Aerindel, I am with you on your comments, the thing is that if you let someone determine one thing for you, soon they are telling you what size soda to drink. I do not believe in Gay relationships either, but I am tired of everyone judging everyone else. Personally I do not want to hear anyone telling me what to do or believe as I do not go around telling anyone what to believe. State your case and I will decide for myself. Leave me alone and I will leave you alone………………….

        A Son of Liberty, I can counter your first sentence with many, but here is a couple from the Bible, Judge not, so as you judge, so shall you be judged… and I believe Jesus said He would be the judge of all…
        Sorry, I disagree with you on the feeling of forced acceptance as being child abuse. Jesus was tolerant of everyone, and His followers are supposed to be like Him. In my life I have gone through accepting Blacks, Mexicans, every other race, racial mix marriages, Gays, Rich people, arrogant people, just plan butt holes, lazy people, worthless people, stupid people, Christians, Atheists, Muslims, and other religions, College Educated Morons, liberals, every other kind of people and probably worst of all, white people!!! AND do not get me wrong, I fall into the White category. Without “accepting” other people for what they are, as they are, how is anyone supposed to survive in this country today and tomorrow. Where would you go, work or play????Their are many that are trying to destroy the family unit and other things a lot of us feel are sacred, that is up to you to teach in the home…. Unfortunately, since tolerance of all others is not always taught in the home, Society has to teach it to preserve Society…. The alternative would be to constantly be fighting with everyone…. OH WAIT !!!! ANYWAY…….

    3. @highsight I agree, so long as the citizenry is willing to practice and train together regardless of personal, legal choices…

  2. I clicked on the link. Got a message saying ERROR TRY AGAIN LATER…!!! Is this club fed or just my computer….????
    Food for thought.
    As always….I totally agree with Mr Viera. Never seen such a constitutional figure of wonder. That’s a great man.

  3. I support these folks in spirit, and actually think that they have some excellent ideas, ESPECIALLY the restoring congressional representation to 50,000 citizens but also the redistricting and militia training ideas. I hope that any of this comes to fruition.
    Yet I will look for something more ecumenical to get excited about for myself and to devote, time energy and resources to.
    While I most certainly agree that this country was founded on and grew from the roots of Christianity, our Founders were clearly not Evangelicals, and were equally clearly respectful of every free citizen and their God-granted rights.
    This video unfortunately strongly gives me the impression that non-Evangelical Christians would not be especially welcome into this particular fold. So if these folks’ movement takes hold, I will call/write who needs to hear from me for change, but as for membership, not right now.

    1. This was my comment concerning their video: “This country is not, and never has been, a Christian nation. Get over it. I like some of your ideas, but if you ever try to make me live according to your religion then you will have a worse problem to deal with than the Feds as no Native American in this country will ever stand for such foul treatment by a foreign and, in truth, unAmerican (Middle Eastern) religion again. The First Amendment does not give you the right to make your religion the official state religion as your comments seem to indicate that you would like to make happen. Also, picking on Oath Keepers will not win you any friends either. At least we are doing something while you are just talking. Talk is cheap. It is action that counts. Either get out and do something real, or shut up.”

      My step-daughter is a Lesbian and married to another. My wife and I love both of them, and would gladly wreck the world of anyone who tries to hurt them in any way. Marriage is between the Creator and the people who are married, and the governemnt should have nothing to say about it. In the Cherokee tribe we also have men with more than one wife, and women with more than one husband. What they choose to do is their business, and no one else’s. When I was younger I thought that Gay men were wonderful since it meant there were more women for me. I would recommend that they take on a similar view except that I suspect these folks are way too uptight for that.

      The idea of ratifying the 1st Amendment is interesting, but is that really needed since it is a part of the Bill of Rights anyway? I am not an expert on such things, but if anyone else out there is then please let me know. I suspect that I am not the only one curious about this.

      1. At least we are doing something while you are just talking. Talk is cheap. It is action that counts. Either get out and do something real, or shut up.”
        Can you please elaborate on what you mean by all of that?

    2. “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.” 
― Thomas Jefferson

    3. Keith, thanks for considering us. I personally have no love for the institutional church in America; religious careerists are more to blame for our retrograde condition than any other demographic cohort in our country today.

      AmericaAgain! will accept a member of any faith or no faith, as long as you are not so offended by our beliefs that you begin to poison the well and create dissent that interferes with our plans of action. You can worship a plastic lawn chair and it does no harm to me or mine; that’s the beauty of America. Here’s how we put it in our FAQ page:

      Q: You mention God and Jesus Christ in the declaration; are you proposing theocracy?

      Nothing in our organization proposes establishing religion. As long as they do no harm to others, Americans should be free to worship in any manner they like – or not to worship or believe in God at all. AmericaAgain! is a private member organization predicated on Christ and the Constitution. Anyone who is not opposed to either one, and who can support our AmericaAgain! Declaration, is welcome to join us.

      Q: As a Christian organization, does AmericaAgain! accept people of other faiths?

      Certainly. As a private member organization, we believe in the lordship of Jesus Christ and promulgate His foundational place in the formation of our civilization (our system of law, social and family mores, economics, etc) and welcome as a member any American who can live with the Christian nature of our message, without creating argument or dissent about it. We will not promote or promulgate any law respecting religious belief or exercise of religion, unless a supposed ‘religion’ calls for acts of oppression or violence to individuals or classes of people.

    4. Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

  4. I watched the video, and have previously done extensive research on Amendment the First. It was, legally, ratified by the required 2/3 of the original 13 states. One state forgot to file the paperwork with DC to have it put into the Constitution. It should be noted that if a lawsuit were brought forth to that effect, it’s possible we could be taken back to the original Republic overnight. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court would never uphold that vote as legally binding. I agree, though, that a grassroots effort to ratify Amendment the First needs to be in place.

    1. Correct, Daritari; I make this point in Appendix K (pg 191) of my latest book, ‘Fear The People’. The original First Amendment WAS ratified, but as the federal appeals court ruled in 2012, it is not a matter for the courts but for the STATES, as Article V makes clear.

      So while I reject the notion of calling a new Article V constitutional convention, there is still one amendment awaiting final action by the states under Article V. That is what we are pursuing, along with the other two vital actions: restoring state lands and state militia.

      It is our position that Oath Keepers, CSPOA, and AmericaAgain! will make a tactically and strategically balanced popular sovereignty offensive for the long term. We will see what your members and leadership think. Meanwhile, we endorse CSPOA and Oath Keepers whenever we can.

      David M Zuniga
      Founder/CEO, AmericaAgain.net

  5. It’s really scary how easily people forget the past!! Don’t people understand that so many people died, so we would never have to do that again! Where are we at right now???!!! People are feed up and when people can no longer stand to be pushed, they do what is only natural! THEY PUSH BACK!!!

    1. You are TOTALLY off base. Break the sentence down. “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”. The first part is simple and it is important. The second part only DESCRIBES WHY a well regulated militia is important. But put it together and it simply means that a well regulated militia AND the RIGHT of the people to KEEP AND BEAR “ARMS” SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! How can you POSSIBLY construe the purpose is the militia ONLY??? When they mention PORPOSELY the RIGHT of the PEOPLE, you can say the major intent is related to the militia? How stupid can you be? By the way, if you had studied any other portion of the US Constitution you would know that WE are the standing army in times of peace. Pay attention to the Declaration of Independence. In the grievances listed it says CLEARLY that the king “keeps standing armies in times of peace”, They did that because they were afraid of the kings army. In Article I of the US Constitution they authorize CONGRESS to MAINTAIN a Navy but MUST authorize an army every 2 years. That is because they never intended for us to have a standing army in times of peace. WE are the standing army (militia) and congress has the power to call the militia into duty IF THE NAVY WERE TO BE COMPROMISED!! The Navy is our first line of defense and the militia is to be called into duty ONLY if the Navy was being defeated. So the second amendment is totally clear that a MILITIA AND THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO HAVE ARMS (notice they did NOT say “muskets” or “bowie knives”?) shall NEVER be denied. So take your crap about the second amendment having concern over ONLY militia and shove it. You are either a lying lawyer that doesn’t want us to be able to defend ourselves or you are a traitor to your country and the very document that makes us free. By the way, the Declaration of Independence states CLEARLY that we have a RIGHT and a DUTY to “throw off such a government” if it becomes tyrannical. How could we EVER do that if we were denied the right to keep and bear arms? Wake up and stop trying to convince others of your totally incorrect crap.

    2. The Militia is the people. The “regulated” militia is those that have been trained as the congress requires the US Military to be trained. It helps to read the debates, etc that went on concerning the creation of the US Constitution. For example the end result of the wording of the 2A became this:

      Constitution of the United States of America, Second Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

      A version sent from the House of Representatives to the Senate Aug 14, 1888: “A well regulated Militia, being composed of the body of the people being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed;”

      “Free State” in the language of the times referred to a free country; not to any governmental entity, but to the people themselves. How can you tell this? By reading Article 1 Section 8, Clause 15 and Clause 16.

      Clause 15 says for which reasons the Militia can and MUST be used by those who serve within the general (federal) government: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel invasions.”

      Clause 16 lists the duties that those who serve within the general (federal) and state governments have TO the militias: “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress”.

      These are not duties that are “voluntary”, but are PAID the same as the military WHEN it is called into service after a declaration of war is made by the CONGRESS – No one else was delegated that authority.

      Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 28: “The militia is a voluntary force not associated or under the control of the States except when called out; [when called into actual service] a permanent or long standing force would be entirely different in make-up and call.“

      John Adams, “A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States”: “To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.”

      Richard Henry Lee, 1st Senate: “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …”

      George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment: “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”

      Tench Coxe: “Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American…The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

      Amazing, isn’t it that those that serve within our governments are NOT TO BE ARMED (erad the above comment again, and also remember that just because Obama gave himself First Degree Murder “power” (assassination powers) , all authority that is delegated to the POSITION of US President is in writing, and that is NOT one that is included in the “presidential list of delegated duties”- go read it.

      1. Good breakdown of 2A…. It is extremely important that the citizenry understand the 2A before concluding that the RTKBA is exclusive to a peacetime “standing army”…. and YES, WE, the PEOPLE, are EVERYWHERE!!!

  6. Aside from the “perversion exclusion”, I have to wonder if there are actually enough like minded folks in this country to make this movement a reality. After all, look at the successful election of Obama, not once, but twice!
    To accomplish a radical change in the bill of rights, to me , would require more than the passion of a small percentage of the populace. Whatever that percentage is. Another question- those of us who may be deemed unsuitable to be in a STATE militia due to age or health reasons, would we then lose our right to self defense and keep and bear arms as we are not able to meet the state standards and serve?
    Anyway, Good luck and God Speed to these folks. They have my support.

    1. “Another question- those of us who may be deemed unsuitable to be in a STATE militia due to age or health reasons, would we then lose our right to self defense and keep and bear arms as we are not able to meet the state standards and serve?”

      NO. Americans have a natural, God-given (as was given to all that exist on this planet – animals, plants, etc – think of barbs, thorns, poisons, teeth, claws, etc) to self defense. It is natural, and it does belong to us, “We the people…”

      Tench Coxe says it well here; “Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. THEIR SWORDS, AND EVERY TERRIBLE IMPLEMENT OF THE SOLDIER, ARE THE BIRTH-RITE OF AN AMERICAN… THE UNLIMITED POWER OF THE SWORD IS NOT IN THE HANDS OF EITHER THE FEDERAL OR STATE GOVERNMENTS but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE.”

      Cockrum v. State: “The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers delegated directly to the citizen, and is excepted out of the general powers of government. A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power.” (Basically this affirms what Tench Coxe says.)

      Bliss v. Commonwealth: “Arms restrictions – even concealed weapons bans – are unconstitutional, since arms bearing is an individual right and the legislature may not restrict any aspect of such a right.” (As does this)

      Nunn vs. State: ‘The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’ The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the milita, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right”. (and this)

      Andrews v. State explains, this “passage from Story, shows clearly that this right was intended, as we have maintained in this opinion, and was guaranteed to, and to be exercised and enjoyed by the citizen as such, and not by him as a soldier, or in defense solely of his political rights.” (Also this)

      Frederic Bastiat, The Law: “Life, faculties, production — in other words, individuality, liberty, property — this is man. And in spite of the cunning of artful political leaders, these three gifts from God precede all human legislation, and are superior to it. Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.”

      Daniel Webster: “We may be tossed upon an ocean where we can see no land – nor, perhaps, the sun or stars. But there is a chart and a compass for us to study, to consult, and to obey. That chart is the Constitution.”

      President Andrew Johnson: “Outside of the Constitution we have no legal authority more than private citizens, and within it we have only so much as that instrument gives us. This broad principle limits all our functions and applies to all subjects.”

      Dr. Vieira could list more sources then I can concerning that the American people as the militia were/are to be the ONLY type of armed enforcement short of a congressionally declared war (Read his books), and then that military was to never be used on American soil EXCEPT in defense from outside attacks).

      That was so that those that serve in government – LE’s of all types (state and federal), and all the rest of the now armed governmental agencies could never be used against the American people, nor could unlawful edicts (unconstitutional EO’s, “laws”, regulations, codes, etc) be used against the people by an armed government seeking to destroy American freedom, the American way of life (at which they have almost succeeded), and the US Constitution.

      You not only can keep and use your weapons (self defense), but are constitutionally REQUIRED to. WE are supposed to train our children in the correct and safe use of arms and about the US Constitution, the founding of our nation.

      Justice Story, Associate Justice, Supreme Court wrote: “The next amendment is: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
      The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them”.

      Tench Coxe, ‘Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution’, on the Second Amendment where he asserts that it’s the people with arms, who serve as the ultimate check on government: “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms”.

      James Monroe: “Of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trial by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms…. If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny.”

      John Norton Pomeroy: “The object of this clause [the right of the people to keep and bear arms] is to secure a well-armed militia…. But a militia would be useless unless THE CITIZENS were enabled to EXERCISE THEMSELVES IN THE USE OF WARLIKE WEAPONS. To preserve this privilege, and to secure to the people the ability to oppose themselves in military force against the usurpations of government, as well as against enemies from without, THAT GOVERNMENT IS FORBIDDEN by any law or proceeding TO INVADE OR DESTROY THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.”

      Thomas Cooley: “The right is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those persons who, under the law, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon… IF THE RIGHT WERE LIMITED TO THOSE ENROLLED, THE PURPOSE OF THE GUARANTEE MIGHT BE DEFEATED ALTOGETHER BY THE ACTION OR NEGLECT TO ACT OF THE GOVERNMENT IT WAS MEANT TO HOLD IN CHECK. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that THE PEOPLE, from whom the militia must be taken, shall HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, and they need no permission or regulation of law for that purpose”. (caps are mine)

      John Adams, “A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law”: “Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among THE PEOPLE, who have a right. . . and a desire to know; but besides this, they HAVE A RIGHT, AND INDISPUTABLE, UNALIENABLE, INDEFEASIBLE, DIVINE RIGHT TO THAT most dreaded and envied kind of KNOWLEDGE, I mean OF THE CHARACTERS AND CONDUCT OF THEIR RULERS.” (caps are mine)

      Thomas Jefferson: “For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security.”

      The New Hampshire ratifiers called for a guarantee (the Second Amendment) that: “Congress shall never disarm any Citizen…”.

      The Pennsylvania minority at its ratifying convention demanded a guarantee of a very broad right to arms, that: “the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own State or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game.”

      Joel Barlow, Revolutionary War veteran and American whose political writings were debated on the floor of Parliament said of the US Constitution: “… not only permitting every man to arm, but obliging him to arm.”

      But that delegated authority IS IN WRITING within the US Constitution and each state Constitution, and nothing any Traitor or Domestic Enemy has done to change them is LAWFUL since what they can LEGALLY AND LAWFULLY do is all in writing that ALL who serve are sworn to, bound by an Oath as ALL – whatever the position, large or small – are REQUIRED to be bound by it.

      More modern quotes such as this by Judge Napolitano: “The Constitution, the President and Guns: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

      In 2008, the Supreme Court laid to rest the once-simmering dispute over the meaning of the Second Amendment. In an opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia, the court articulated the modern existence of the ancient right to keep and bear arms as a pre-political right.

      A pre-political right is one that pre-exists the political order that was created to protect it. Thus, the court held, the origins of this right are the ancient and persistent traditions of free peoples and their natural inclinations to self-defense.

      The court has also characterized the right as fundamental to Americans, putting it within the highest category of our natural and God-given rights protected by the Bill of Rights. Though the origins of this right are from an era well before guns existed, the textual language in the amendment — “Arms” — makes clear, the court ruled, the intention of the Framers that its continuing purpose should be to recognize the right of people to keep and use the same level of technologically available arms that might be used against them.” (end quote)

      John F. Kennedy: “Today we need a nation of minutemen; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.”

      John F. Kennedy: “… By calling attention to a well-regulated militia for the security of the Nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fear of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the 2nd amendment, will ever be a major danger to our Nation, the amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic military-civilian relationship, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the 2nd Amendment will always be important”.

      Justice Robert H. Jackson (Chief of Counsel for the United States, Nuremberg Trials – Nazi Germany): “It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error”.

      There is so much proof that you, as an American, are not only constitutionally REQUIRED to be armed, but armed and TRAINED with instruments of war so that if needed, you could do what you can to defend our nation against ALL enemies domestic specifically included and mentioned by the founders, not just foreign ones.

  7. Good message and intentions but if any of us really think we’re going to get our comfortable lazy neighbors to drag themselves away from reality tv and sitcoms long enough to even give this plan some thought we’re deluding ourselves. Almost everyone will typically agree with some of our ideas but very few are motivated to own them. Everyone wants to be more free but most people want it for free. Until someone can come up with a convincing plan to change that I don’t think much Will change in our favor. I’m not trying to be negative but it seems our greatest enemy isn’t bad government or crooked politicians, it’s the average americans’ apathy and unwillingness to get truly involved.

    1. Unfortunately, Shawn, I have to agree with you. There are lots of armchair patriots, but most of them get strangely quiet and unwilling to stand up when someone suggests actually doing something real. We even have that problem with most of the members of our chapter here. Only just over 10% of us will actually go out and do something like train CPTs and guard recruiting centers or such things. If we can’t even motivate our own people to do something then how are we going to motivate the rest of this nation?

    2. It is also the willingness of people that have NO business getting involved to become involved by voting illegally or helping falsify paperwork and doing every criminal act they can to harm the republic. We have many enemies working very hard to destroy our nation and there has been clear and steady progress by our enemies for years. The failure to prosecute the crime of violation of oath of office has been one of the greatest victories of our enemies and one of this nations worst failures.

      1. @ Bolton: That’s right. The evil permeates every legal system that should be prosecuting all those who are not upholding the oath and are trashing the constitution. The courts are no better, intentionally setting aside our Bill of Rights.

        I do not believe their needs to be a discussion on what style or type of “guns” we rightfully own. Whatever is on the market, whatever the “agencies” have, whatever the military have, it’s all for our protection from the tyranny being spread. A bullet is a bullet. Keep our government fearful of us!

  8. The very nice folks at americagain seem well-intentioned but they are quaintly living in a past that will never be. The politicians ignore it, the people haven’t read it, and our “leaders” willfully disregard it. Nobody knows what it says and nobody cares. The constitution is void. America is sick. It is unrepentant. It broke covenant with God and now it will die a most grotesque death. There is no political solution. America is over. I don’t want it to be this way but that’s just tough. Keith (above) says he won’t join because it’s too christianish or something. unrepentant ignorance. Bye America. (no offense Keith, you were not taught, it not an insult to you. We failed you. non the less you should The Book, then read it again.) God save us all.

  9. There is a Constitutional Militia in operation–the unorganized militia of every state, which is recognized under statute. Further, every state has an organized militia, which usually consists of the NG and the NM. For those states that have them, the 32 USC Sec. 109(c) State Defense Forces as well.
    Each State has a provision for calling the unorganized militia to state active duty. Consequently, the ‘constitutional militia’ exists.
    The Second requires each and everyone of us to maintain a military grade firearm for use in militia duties. The use of “arms” was brilliant. Timeless, the weapons of the ‘time’. WE HAVE A DUTY to maintain and to keep such arms. If you are State Defense Force, you know this.

    1. Larry,
      You are right, there is a California State Militia & I had thought about joining. But I do be believe the Commander in Chief of these militias are the governors & in California we would be utilized to support the National Guard. I’m sure you remember how supportive the NG were of freedom of expression in the 60’s-70’s (e.g. Kent State). So given the state of affairs today, unfortunately my feeling is those militias would more than likely be called up to oppress the patriot movement, not support it.

  10. I believe that the state legislatures could handle this by passing legislation that makes all non-felon adult de jure members of the state legislature.

  11. The Preambles to all of the 50 states Constitutions mention God, but the sad fact is, we DO NOT have Constitutional government at any level anymore. WE have been sold out to Communists by “OUR” elected representatives at EVERY LEVEL !!

    Read this and tell me we do not have Communism here and now in Amerika !!

    Type Communist Manifesto in to a search engine like Google. Go down the list until you to the TEN planks explained !!

    The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto

    Translated In the early ’60’s during the days of the “former” Soviet Union, Russian Premier Nikita Kruschev pounded his shoe on the podium of the United Nations and shouted to the West, “We will bury you!” Fearing an invasion from the Reds, America proceeded to build the most awesome military machine in history. Unfortunately, we forgot to guard our political homefront from being taken over by socialist – communist – liberal activists who would gain office and destroy American law by process of gradually installing the Communist agenda within our legal system and separate branches of government. The Communist program from the start has been one which sees their revolution of 1917 succesful only upon total domination of the world. (See Brain Washing, A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics) Americans, being the most naive people among the nations, now believe that Communism is dead because the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain have been removed. The ironic truth is that Communism has just switched names to become more “politically correct”. Today it is called international democracy. The reason that the Berlin Wall came crashing down is not because Communism is dead but because they have achieved the planned agenda to communize the West, including America. Washington D.C. has indeed become part of the New World Order of atheist governments. With the last vestiges of Christian law having been removed
    from “American government” over the last twenty years, there is no longer a threat of resistance against world Communism. In reality, “American government” became part of the Iron Curtain, thus there was no more need for the likes of a Berlin Wall. Once again, in their foolishness, the American public has believed the lies of their “leaders” who applaud “the fall of Communism”, while they have sold out the country to anti-Christian, anti-American statutes and regulations on the federal, state, and local levels. Posted below is a comparison of the original ten planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart of each of the planks, The American people have truly been “buried in Communism” by their own politicians of both the Republican and Democratic parties. One other thing to remember, Karl Marx (His real name was Moses Moridaci Levi, son of a JEWISH RABBI !!) was stating in the Communist Manifesto that these planks will test whether a country has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force the country IS communist. Communism, but by any other name…??

    This page is not mine but a reprint from
    http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/com-man.html I do not
    know the author and I only hope that he / she does not mind me
    posting this on my site. It is very interesting to read. I also
    encourage you to read the Communist Manefesto. Not that I want you to be Communist but that I want you to see exactly where our country is heading, and it is nice to know what the enemy is doing.

    1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to
    public purpose.

    The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various
    zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate
    Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570
    (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill, LONG BEFORE 9-11 ???, Irrefutable proof of PRE-planning !!! ); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a
    national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system
    nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

    We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL.

    7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The
    Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

    8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank (AKA FEDERAL RESERVE !!) has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920’s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost
    forgot…The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

    We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17
    1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136.

    10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

    People are being taxed to support what we call ‘public’ schools,
    which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based “Education”.

  12. Love the idea and the plan. As far as the homosexual short comment, I have no problem with it. Natural families are the nucleus of all sound nations. I have to agree with Shawn’s comment. Americans are lazy for the most part.It is a shame, but true. Total breakdown will be the only thing to force people out of the recliner and away from the boob tube. One of the greatest problems in today’s so called militia is the lack of vetting of the people in them. Character matters. Morality matters. Truth matters. If you think not, then have another look around your cities and towns.

  13. The problem is that Vieira looks at the militia from a technical and constitutionally legal perspective, which is all well and good, but a “legal” militia requires you to ask permission from state officials, who are for the most part corrupt. They have no intention of ever acknowledging or promoting a true constitutional militia because that would run counter to their goals of a disarmed and helpless collectivist population. So, what do you do when you do not achieve official consent? Disregard the need for militia-suitable arms and forgo militia organization altogether?

    Perhaps I am more of an anarchist than I think I am, but I see the state as an obstacle that should be circumvented. There is the legal route, which is fine if it works, but clearly, it is not working, because no state yet has acknowledged or instituted a constitutional militia. The technically acceptable and legal route to militia and civilian defense has achieved nothing, and it is not as if people have not been trying for decades to make it happen. Results are ultimately what matter, and if we are not a results oriented movement (while maintaining our principles) then we are a failed movement. The gravity of our current social crisis requires RESULTS, not legalistic meandering which might not work even if we had all the time in the world, which we do not. It is time to stop asking permission and finally get something tangible done.

    1. Actually, there is a constitutional right for every adult, able-bodied citizen to participate in a Militia within his State. So it is not a matter of asking for “permission”, but of demanding what officialdom cannot legitimately withhold. No doubt many (too many) officials are corrupt, self-serving, and disloyal to the Constitution. But those are the same individuals to whom groups such as the NRA come, hat in hand, asking for their “individual right” to keep and bear arms to be respected. So the problem of overweening “government” is not something peculiar to the Militia. That “the legal route” is not working is, I submit, because next to no one has tried to make it work, certainly in my lifetime, and for many years theretofore. True enough, individuals may acquire “militia-suitable arms” and in some manner develop a simulacrum of “militia organization” (for the time being at least)–but they cannot by those means bootstrap themselves into a position of Militia authority. No private organization, no matter how armed or organized, can claim the constitutional authority “to execute the Laws”–which is an authority We the People must reassert if they are ever to regain control over this country. If the “results” which come from purely private action turn out to be a kind of armed anarchy, as they would have to turn out inasmuch as no private “militia” could exercise or even claim any governmental authority,”then we are a failed movement”.

      1. I admire your work, but as a historian, I urge you to have another look at the role played by “private” or “Volunteer” militias – defined as those self organized without governmental sanction. George Washington’s bodyguard during the Revolution (First Troop Philadelphia City Cavalry, Boston Company od Cadets (John Hancock commander) were such private militias where one had to apply for membership and be accepted by the unit. When Pennsylvania failed to provide for a militia, Ben Franklin organized the Associated Regiment of Philadelphia without gaining permission from anyone.

        Our country’s founders were well acquainted with this concept, as it was part of the Federalist papers debate and resulted in this language being placed in the Militia Act of 1792 “And whereas sundry corps of artillery, cavalry and infantry now exist in several of the said states, which by the laws, customs, or usages thereof, have not been incorporated with, or subject to the general regulation of the militia.

        XI. Be it enacted, That such corps retain their accustomed privileges subject, nevertheless, to all other duties required by this Act, in like manner with the other militias.”

        The last time a private militia was organized and accepted into federal service was 1898 when Theodore Roosevelt organized the 1st Volunteer United States Cavalry.

        Clearly the authority of such militias is limited to self defense until they are placed into service by competent authority, but that does not negate the right of the people to form their own militias.

        1. Dr. Vieira is correct in that we must demand it, but not let those who serve within our governments answer “no” or not answer at all. They ONLY have authorities that have been delegated by the people (our ancestors), and it IS in writing. Just as one does not have to let the corrupt and evil into ones home unchallenged (lawfully), one does not let the corrupt go against OUR LAWS and stop us from LAWFULLY enforcing them.

          Maybe many do not understand that going ahead and training all who are (at this time) willing to be trained to become the “regulated” militia does not require the people to wait on Domestic Enemies or Traitors for an “answer” – if any. But for those who have already been trained (as congress requires the military to be trained) to go ahead and train the people who are willing as per the requirements listed within the US Constitution.

          Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 28: “The militia is a voluntary force not associated or under the control of the States except when called out; [when called into actual service] a permanent or long standing force would be entirely different in make-up and call.“

          John Adams, “A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States”: “To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.”

          Plus remember that George Washington made it clear that we need to have our own manufacturers of weapons, including military, precisely because there was always a chance for the corrupt to take over our governments.

          George Washington: “A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.”

          Add in the unofficial backing up a few decades ago of the militia with military weapons by those serving within our own government supplying them to foreign “militias” here;

          It has been well established that the original intent of the 2nd amendment was to enable the people to defend against tyranny which invariably comes in the form of an overbearing and oppressive government. This right to defense is not special to Americans and is a natural right of all peoples.
          In the 70s and 80’s the Afghani militia (the mujahideen) was engaged against tyranny (Soviets). In order to aid them in their fight against their oppressors, the USA sent Stinger shoulder mounted rocket launchers so they could wage an asymmetrical battle against the much better equipped Soviet forces.
          Therefore our own federal government established the precedent that, in the age of a modern military, rocket launchers (Bazookas) fall within the scope of weapons necessary for citizen militias fighting against tyranny – inadvertently making the case that they should be covered under the 2nd amendment.

          Silveira v. Lockyer, 328 F.3d 567 (2003), Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reminded us that the Second Amendment is not about duck hunting: “All too many of the other great tragedies of history – Stalin’s atrocities, the killing fields of Cambodia, the Holocaust, to name but a few – were perpetrated by armed troops against unarmed populations. Many could well have been avoided or mitigated, had the perpetrators known their intended victims were equipped with a rifle and twenty bullets apiece, as the Militia Act required here. … If a few hundred Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto could hold off the Wehrmacht for almost a month with only a handful of weapons, six million Jews armed with rifles could not so easily have been herded into cattle cars.
          “My excellent colleagues have forgotten these bitter lessons of history. The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for re-election and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
          “Fortunately, the Framers were wise enough to entrench the right of the people to keep and bear arms within our constitutional structure. The purpose and importance of that right was still fresh in their minds, and they spelled it out clearly so it would not be forgotten.” Judge Alex Kozinski

      2. “Demanding” that state officials acknowledge your constitutional rights without you taking tangible action IS asking permission, Edwin. What about this do you not understand? You’ve been pursuing the legal avenue for a long time, and frankly, I see no tangible results. Blaming a lack of public participation only reinforces my argument that the traditional legal means are not practical. If they are reliant on a majority movement, then they are faulty, because clearly, you are not going to get that majority movement before it is too late. Perhaps it is time to try something different.

        The NRA is often at the forefront of gun control and represents controlled opposition in many cases, which is one of the reasons why Larry Pratt started Gun Owners of America. The government NEVER comes to a true liberty organization hat in hand, this is nonsense. Rather, they co-opt such organizations (like the Tea Party). You are arguing from a position of legalism and theory that is not representative of the true crisis we are facing in the real world. If a militia is recognized as “legal” or constitutional then if might garner public legitimacy – MIGHT. That is up to the public to decide, not for state officials to decide. However, self defense and survival are still the first priorities, not state permission or even public legitimacy when it comes down to brass tax. We can argue the semantics while Rome burns down around us but the bottom line is that the citizenry is the ultimate authority according to the Constitution; the constitution does not dictate the rights of citizens, it dictates the powers of government. If a subsection of the citizenry sees fit to form a militia to defend themselves, then they are in fact legitimate by that very virtue, as well as by the rights afforded by natural law. The goal is not to claim “government authority”, but to take back the right of people to organize for defense and mutual aid regardless of what anyone else thinks is “legal”. Any other goals are secondary.

        1. Thank you, Dr. V. and Brandon. Both you men have strengths we can continue to use. Both of you have guided us for a long time.
          Dr. V is reasoning from his studied area of civil and case law. Brandon is reasoning from the overlooked area of common law, the Law of Nature and Nature’s God which is no longer taught in any U.S. law school (see http://www.theamericanview.com and http://www.commonlawyer.com, of Michael Peroutka and Brent A. Winters work).
          Both are needed, and there is and must be a way to work from both rich resources of head and handwork that our friends offer us. Let’s keep learning from each of you–acting, AND declaring our intentions clearly to our servant-officials as we now perform our duties. You both are spot-on, and I admire you both.

    2. I could not agree more Brandon. The state is proven to be an enemy of the Constitution. No more needs to be said.

      1. agreed. Every county with a Constitutional Sheriff… needs to have their militia…train them and co ordinate with the other like minded counties. Involving the state traitors is plain foolish.

      2. The war on we the people in combination with the damage in life, liberty, freedom and property from the tyranny of the state far out weighs any minuscule return fire from the citizenry. So far to date, it is the elevator to hell for we the people. While we moan, groan, and babble, the slope steepens.

    3. Note that, currently, there are laws in the State of Oklahoma that specifically REQUIRE the formation of an organized state guard and the unorganized militia where all able bodied males of age are supposed to be members; both militias by law to be separate and distinct and not under the National Guard. However, those militias are to be under management/control of the Governor. But politicians are afraid to bring up re-implementation because of PC. One, running for Governor in a primary, proposed a plan to use vetting similar to the State’s concealed carry vetting and to have organized units managed by local Sheriffs. Naturally, he was defeated.

    4. Brandon, please read my new (free) PDF book, ‘Fear The People’ to see that we are an ACTION organization. In Appendix I (capital letter ‘i’) you will see our milestones for action.

      But action can still be predicated on constitutional law, you know. They are not mutually exclusive! I have learned all I know in the militia arena from Dr. Vieira. As I acknowledg in the Dedication of the new book, Ed stands alone in our republic, as the foremost scholar and teacher in the history and constitutional requirements for American monetary policy, and of the Militias of the Several States.

      http://www.americaagain.net/fear_the_people_free_book

      1. Action and constitutional law are not mutually exclusive, but constitutional law and corrupt government ARE. If one cannot do what is necessary and right through the system because the system is hostile, then one must work outside the system. Failure is not an option.

        1. Non sequitur, Brandon. If you are suggesting that you no longer feel that enforcing the law is worth the effort and anarchy is the only option, you piss on the Founding Fathers’ graves.

          The Pharoahs didn’t have air conditioning. Some days, the world just changes. Those who think it’s too late, or who think “the Constitution failed”, you go ahead and watch from your bunker, while we win this next chapter of history for YOUR grandchildren.

          Please read my free book; it’s $43 at Amazon but I give it away because I want the American people to KNOW there is a lawful, practical, full-spectrum solution to this hijacking. It won’t be easy and it won’t be fast. It won’t be popular with atheists, but it is NOT religious in nature — and it is not rebellious in nature. AmericaAgain! is a new way of life, that requires less than 1% of the population for optimal efficacy.

          It is LAW ENFORCEMENT in nature, and long overdue.

          1. Sorry, but that’s utter nonsense. The founders never asked permission of the corrupt monarchy for organizing militias or the continental congress, they just did it. When the law is corrupted, it is no longer valid. When the system is corrupted, it is no longer valid. The system we have today is NOT the lawful republic the founders intended. But, if you believe differently, then you are welcome to continue banging your head against that brick wall and see how far you get.

          2. Brandon is correct. Those that serve within our governments have legitimacy ONLY when they keep the “contract” and when they take and KEEP the Oath. That is where all the authority they pretend to have comes from. It is delegated to them in writing from the people through the US Constitution.

            Got a job, or a business where you hire anyone? That contract you/they agree to in order to have that position is a lawful and valid contract until you break it. Then depending on what the circumstances are when that action happened, you/they are either warned, fired, fired and prosecuted, etc. You/They no longer have the duties they were assigned, nor represent the company/business anymore, and anything they now do in that company/business name is a crime.

            What does this mean? That once those that serve within our governments were warned that they are NOT performing as required, and as they agreed to do – backed up by an Oath which makes the contract even stronger, they can be fired with no other action required once all available actions to remove them are exhausted. So when elections are no longer honest (another crime on the part of all involved), etc, then we let them know they no longer lawfully represent us as and in the manner required and sworn to, and when they do not leave, remove them LAWFULLY using the Militia.

            Remember it is ONLY the Militia that is constitutionally required and can lawfully here in the USA;
            — Enforce the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution,
            — Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
            — Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
            — “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”

            And that IS in writing within the US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15. No one else really has the lawful and legal authority because ALL laws/codes/regulations/etc MUST be in Pursuance thereof the US Constitution,NOT what those who serve within our government says or “requires” of others that serve.

  14. I can see absolutely no way to avoid an eventual confrontation. They will push it until there is no more room to push. I is only an inch from that point now. I don’t want anything but peace, freedom and an America that i once knew. I have fought for her and am ready to fight for her again. I REFUSE to be manhandled by a corrupt Government that is in the hands of someone that is not even an American and spends every day working on his “Fundamental Transformation of America” and issuing Executive Orders destructive to our existence. Simply put, we are being dismantled and we either stop it or it will consume us like a terminal cancer. I stand ready !! God Bless our Sovereign Constitutional Republic.

    1. I agree with Vinny. We are being overtaken from within. Our Republic is as the frog being slowly boiled in the pot until he is dinner. If we fail to organize and start at the state level to TAKE our Republic back and restore our constitution and the rule of law, we have lost without a shot being fired. Once we have the states under the constitutional rule of law, the feds have NO POWER !! For WAY TO LONG we have utilized our time and energy to talk about a problem that seems crystal clear to most. When and How do we get organized in every state to Take Back Our Government ???

      1. When and how, Ableready?

        NOW, and in YOUR town. If you already belong to Oath Keepers, you’ve taken the first step. You will need someone to lead a local CPT; that will come as YOU build a local muster list.

        WATCH the video… https://youtu.be/bZ-QSzV97Y0

        READ the book, ‘Fear The People’; it’s a free PDF download: http://www.americaagain.net/fear_the_people_free_book

        LEARN what we’re doing in 2,500 towns across the country — an actual plan of ACTION, NOW! You will find that in Appendix ‘I’ of the book.

        Once you join AmericaAgain!, start your local Meetup. Her’s the step-by-step on how to do it:
        http://www.americaagain.net/how_to_start_an_americaagain_meetup_step_by_step

        If you can gather five people in one place every month, you’ve started. Read the book, and you’ll see how we are going to build our local muster lists, run them through the mayor and sheriff (they don’t have to agree; you just make them sign that they received the muster list and skills inventory). Then we are collecting all our cities’ muster lists with mayoral and sheriff signatures. When we have enough (depends on the state; SD might need 8-10 towns, CA might need 50) we — the state directors of Oath Keepers and AmericaAgain! — deliver it in a public ceremony to the governor.

        Then we kick ass, lighting up the legislators’ phones and email accounts, until they do as we DEMAND. We are not ASKING for anything; this is the LAW, and as they will see, we will now have thousands of armed, ready citizens in EACH state…not like Bundy Jumping!…prepared to see the Constitution obeyed, or ELSE.

        Like I said, read the book ‘FEAR The People’. It’s all in there.

        Join up, or shut up with all these “America is finished” prognostications. You have no idea, friends; America’s very best days are AHEAD. Since prior to Lincoln’s illicit reign and hijacking, we have NEVER had all the blessings — and the tactical force-massing power — that we enjoy today.

        All we lack is men willing to use their brains as much as they like to make idle threats, and swagger.

  15. All the talk of guns is just a load of crap. As long as people that supply guns to drug cartels and provide US taxpayer money to the muslim brotherhood for the rebuilding of an old Soviet built AK-47 factory in Egypt that reopens with the stated mission to “arm every jihadist in the world”, continue to rule in the USA, this nation is NOT of, by or for the PEOPLE! Our nation is now and for many years has been in the control of CRIMINALS, bent on the destruction of our Republic. Over and over the talk is of GUN LAWS! The Second Amendment is enough gun law except for a law of NO prosecution for killing or wounding someone doing violent crime! Our so called leaders give an endless supply of weapons to our enemies that state openly their desire to kill all of us and at the same time those same so called leaders seek to disarm the law abiding citizens! That nothing has been done to prosecute these politicians that openly VIOLATE their oaths of office is insanity on the part of the people. Are the people of this nation the same people in the words, OF, BY and FOR the PEOPLE, or have they become the sheeple that deserve the slavery they are on the brink of having? Time for the people to INSIST on enforcement of our laws that are NOW and NOT NEW law written for the criminals in charge to allow crushing seizure in an iron grip of fascism. The openly criminal activity that is everywhere is just fascism called political correctness. The fascists are not new, they have just learned to call fascism new names. Anny intelligent person that went through WWII knows that islam is fascism disguised as religion! There used to be a hospitable people in the middle east, but they always wanted to do what the NAZI party did and they embraced fascism during the war as is proved by the imam of Jerusalem visiting Hitler and offering the soldiers he had to help the NAZI. Since then the muslims have adopted fascist tactics and they will not stop until one side is destroyed. Failure of “eternal vigilance” has brought this about. We are in another struggle with the same enemy of old, FASCISM!

  16. Maybe I’m missing it here… I don’t recall any where in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that says our beloved government either federal or state shall control the militias… also, it does not state in the Second Amendment that I have the right to keep and bear arms at the government’s Discretion.

  17. I totally agree with what Brandon Smith said above about asking for permission from the states (govt.) to be able to keep our rights or, to stop asking for permission and get things done.
    I will, at any rate, look into “America Again Now” as an optimist. I really like what David Zuniga said in the video about thanking Obummer for making We the People pissed off enough to reclaim our constitutional rights and duties. That is a very good way of seeing things – outside of the box.

  18. I may not agree with the government having rainbow lights on the White House nor what people choose to pursue as their preference but I am not going to judge them as long as my rights or laws are not violated. Having said that, the message is good in the video HOWEVER, the second amendment has been interpreted as two parts (recently by the Supreme Court in the Heller decision) which affirms that they are individual rights. Meaning a well regulated citizen militia is a right AND the ability to keep and bear arms is a right for self defense purposes. While it is true that the State must run the militia and hence acknowledge it, it is also true that the sheriff may deputize a posse for a purpose he (or she) deems necessary. In NY we have ratified the 1st as indicated in the video BUT with a metro area that dwarfs the rest of the states population the will of the metro peverts the will of the rest of the state. The claim is that the NY National Guard is the militia. Does the local representative have the ability to appoint offices in a Militia???? If not, then we already have a militia. If the local representative does have the power then how does the money flow from the feds to his district for this purpose?

    I think the sheriff posse might be interesting to explore. I also agree that there is the potential for misguided intent by armed citizens during a crisis if we don’t organize the effort and taking weapons away from good people is not the answer.

  19. This message could actually be very close to what we are looking for…think about it in regards to Saul Alinsky. Look at our public schools and how they are brain washing our kids. We need something to fight against this

  20. What they orchestrated in Chicago yesterday tells us all we need to know. They are force-feeding perversion of ALL that is Amercan, on every level. The same social engineering tool meant to legitimize sodomyn is used just as effectively to de-legitimize militia..,Brandon is right. We need to get smarter in a hurry. Build healthy relationships of local trust through CPT, and the rest will come much easier.

    1. We agree about Oath Keepers CPT. AmericaAgain! had considered doing the same thing, but as we reviewed all that Oath Keepers has on the ground, we could never match it, let alone do a better job. So we seek to put Oath Keepers CPT on steroids, by having every new AmericaAgain! Meetup automatically cross-pollinate to new Oath Keepers CPT units, and then work on the local sheriff to push for CSPOA. It’s a natural alliance and TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

  21. You are bringing up a damn good idea DavidI I have been supporting these people since 2015 mostly because of their “Indictment Machine” here: http://www.americaagain.net/2/indictment_engine

    The founder is an attorney I remember. I could not find anything illegal in their activities and we should support any honest attempts to fight corruption in government. “Breaking out the Winchesters” must always remain our last option because it has the strong potential of being our last action as well.

    Complacency and disinformation of the masses is our Republic’s weak spot! – That is the result of “The Deliberate Dumbing Down Of America” – Charlotte Iserbyt free download here: http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf

    Whilst the message of that video is outstanding, I do not agree with the statement that the militia must be State-organized. I see the militia as a grass roots operation from the bottom up. AmericaAgain should reconsider that statement. I believe it is important to support all peaceful and legal efforts that are pointed towards the re-instalment of a legitimate, constitutional government of the people of these United States of America. It is out of that support, moral or material that our cause will gain strength!

    Best Hopes

    Tom, Oath Keeper

    1. Tom, I never suggested that I was an attorney; don’t paint me with THAT black brush! (Just ribbing Stewart.)

      Until I gave up my practice to become a missionary to the Americans, I was an architectural engineer. I designed 54 buildings and systems over 28 years; civil, structural, mechanical, electrical, and building enclosure; the whole building.

      On September 11, 2001 as I watched three cases of pulverizing, axial-collapse controlled demolition on three high-rise buildings…the first fire-induced collapses of steel high-rise buildings in history, three of them one one day (and one of them not touched by an aircraft) I knew that the most ruthless, powerful, unaccountable city-state in history — Washington D.C. — had gone rogue. The mask was off. I took seven years to research and ruminate, but we had to move into action.

      This can ONLY succeed if AmericaAgain!, Oath Keepers, CSPOA, and other like-minded organizations with no mission overlap, work in total synergy. I have watched Richard Mack and Stewart Rhodes do amazing, Founding Father-level work for many years. Those men simply cannot be duplicated in this generation; each organization has its perfect aspect and strengths.

      Those who have anarchy in their veins CANNOT win the day, my friends. Our fathers fought far too hard for us to give in to visceral, destructive reactions. This constitutional republic has never been equaled, and will NEVER be restored by the majority. In every age and culture, the ‘mass man’ (to use A.J. Nock’s epithet) has just gone along to get along. The mass man will show up for a bloody fight, but he won’t clean up the mess afterwards; nor will he ever build anything worth remembering, on the ruins.

      I founded four classical Christian K-12 schools in three states, many years ago. In designing that curriculum — not only Latin, Logic and Rhetoric, but the Great Books of Western Civilization — I realized what our fathers knew: America is unique in human experience. You who write her off as a lost cause, give away a precious gem! You are willing to concede to a lawless city-state on the Potomac, the blood and tears of ten generations, but I am not! Stewart is not! Richard is not! Edwin is not!

      I had a damned good engineering practice, a $400,000 paid for home, two nice SUVs, and a precious metals horde. It’s all gone into our missionary work for these insane Americans — a tougher tribe than any I have read of in the annals of missionary work!

      Damn it, you can read. You may not ENJOY it, but you CAN read, and you can comprehend what you have read. I gave you the link the the book, above. Download it, and just READ.

      Beginning in 2008, we the founders of AmericaAgain! (two engineers, one Fortune 500 tech manager, and one former U.S. Secret Service agent) and 20 other volunteers spent 25,000+ hours on R&D to develop not only the AmericaAgain! Indictment Engine™, but our 22 reform laws. Restoring the destruction of 150 years will take TIME, and it will take many people working together.

      But when you break it down to YOUR part, it’s just one small Meetup group in your town. You take YOUR TOWN back; don’t worry about state or national issues; that’s for those who want to do those tasks. They always bubble up from membership. Your duty is just to concentrate locally.

      For an effective AmericaAgain! Meetup and Oath Keepers CPT, a group of 5-6 people in a very small town, 15-20 in a mid-sized city, or 50-100 in a larger city is adequate. This will NEVER be work for majorities; never HAS been.

      As we explain, our strategic focus is America’s 31,000 small towns: http://www.americaagain.net/taking_america_back_starting_with_your_town

      That’s where sane, normal Americans still live and die. If you think sexual perversion is the new normal, good for you but we don’t need you. We’ll only frustrate and anger you, and there’s no reason for that; go join the gay patrol instead. God bless you. If you think abortion’s a matter of the mother’s “rights”, we say it’s a matter of murder, but also that it is NO BUSINESS of the federal government; if a state wants to keep murder legal, let that state pay the price in crime.

      This is war, and we’ve been sitting in a stupor, politically correct, taking frontal hits for generations, with no counter-strikes. Now, we intend to turn this around and win America back, praise be to God.

      If such declarations make you uneasy, you definitely don’t want to join our private member organization. If you like the constitutional results well enough that you can bear my giving glory to God, then we welcome you aboard.

      D.M. Zuniga
      Founder, AmericaAgain.net

  22. As good as a constitutional militia, as good as all of their ideas for changes to our representative government(seriously, I love those ideas.) The times are changing, for those of you who don’t live in or spend much time in large cities you may not fully realize, pushing one set group of Christian morals will derail this whole movement faster than any cell of hotheads claiming affiliation. People want freedom, religious freedom falls into that category and our founding fathers expressed a desire for ALL Americans to be able to worship how they want and what they want.

    The other day I was trying to explain what the oath keepers and threepers were about and I was asked why I align my political views with groups that so vhenemently defend one specific faith when I have no religious faith of my own. People are turned off from the idea of one faith better than the other or acceptable over others, especially with the what they see in the media these days. Moral police sounds a lot like a Christian version of sharia law.

    You cannot want and express a desire for absolute freedom from government then turn and say you want the government or a armed group of citizens to restrict individual rights and freedoms for people that don’t share their beliefs. That kind of backwards thinking will turn the younger generation(especially those in my age group, early-mid 20s) against us faster than you can say “mainstream media” and that will be the most easily trained, mentally malleable, physically fit group that we will absolutely need on the right side if shtf.

    We as a whole must accept in this day and age that political motivation and religious belief cannot be mixed together in our message or it will cut our potential numbers down exponentially when the time comes we need them. We must appeal to Christians, Jews, Mormons, Catholics, Muslims, atheists, we may not all agree on a religion but we all agree the government overreach must stop. Without trying to bring everyone together under one common and just cause and by alienating people who aren’t religious or at least not Christian, we are doing more damage to our cause and further contributing to the rift the media has set between us and those who haven’t woken up to the truth of these matters just yet, a mistake this movement cannot survive through if it continues.

    I’m no tactician, I’m not a liberal, I’m not against or for any specific religion, I’m not for abortion, I’m not for or against gay couples. I’m for freedom to choose the life you want to live and I think between and religions and sexuality, that is the common ground we must use to bring younger generations into our ranks.

    Just my two cents, sorry if this is rambling on but I feel pretty alone in these views sometimes reading the words of fellow patriots.

    Cheers from the twin cities – Dan B

    1. DAN B, you are not alone on this. That is exactly why I do not want any specific religion in government, because my first question is who’s religion and who’s version???? Do not get me wrong, I believe in morals and moral standards, but I do not want anyone “interpreting” there version of those standards for me. I have a brain and I can do that for myself. If you look into it, then one has to investigate what Christian Group. I am not judging any of them cause all have to answer for there own actions, what I am saying is their are so many versions and interpretations even in the same type, like “Baptists,” then even individual churches in those groups are much different. What I do not believe is excluding anyone as all have something to offer. Jesus spent most all His time on Earth with thieves, prostitutes and all types of “sinners.” If one is such a “fantastic person”, one should set such a “wonderful” example that all should be asking why that person is so different than everyone else and becoming like them.

      If you exclude one group, at what point do you start excluding other groups, races, poor people, disabled, and on and on…..

  23. I did as you asked. I listened…. I posted this below that video:

    “As I sat and listened I was presented with a rosy suggestion that unfortunately did not take into account the criminally wealthy and their bought politicians residing within State Governments. Would you want Lindsay Graham handling any responsibility other than tying his own shoes? How about the likes of Alvin Green? Now you attack Trump? You are no better than the other muck-rakers within our government.”

    Yes he has “ideas” and though are a little better than some are by no means fully acceptable. It seems today there is no redress for grievances.Those who have been “whistle blowers” like myself, have been persecuted by the very system that also promises no persecution.

    The moment the author of the video started asinine attacks on the “character” of Trump who is by no means perfect failed to mention that Trump is not a Builderberger, he is not a member of “secret organizations” he is not under the thumb nor inn the pockets of the World Elite.

    Once you identify the parasitic scum pulling the strings of the sociopaths in office and DEAL WITH THEM. Maybe then we can move forward.

    I have fully considered joining my State Militis, then Nikki Haley allowed the destruction of Possee Comitatus within our state and her recent choices for political front runners exemplified to me just how disconnected with the people ind in the pockets of the wealthy she really is. A true politician.

    Finally why don’t I receive any response notifications to my comments. ONE WAY?

  24. Out of all the suggestions I have heard concerning “reinstalling” our Constitutional values I have never heard anyone suggest a way to make our elected officials more dependent upon us, their constituents, and take away the influence of outside financial support by lobbyists of any kind.

    One way to do this is to is to make the candidate’s donations or contributions come from ONLY the constituents, residents, of the district in which the candidate is running for the political office. Prevent outside sources from influencing our elections by an influx of “bribery” funds.

    AmericaAgain did not mention this. There are several other points that AmericaAgain did mention that I totally disagree with. One of the more profound ones being we are not a Constitutional militia unless we are sanctioned by the government. If the government is corrupt do you really think they will sanction us as a militia? If the government is corrupt it is our right and responsibility to work against that government and correct its shortcomings! We the People are the Militia above the Constitution. The Constitution does not grant us that Right. The Constitution recognizes that pre-existing Right and integrates it into the Constitution. We are not slaves to the government, we do not kneel to a corrupt government and ask their permission to defend ourselves from them! A basic Right laid out in the Declaration of Independence.

    1. “… take away the influence of outside financial support by lobbyists of any kind. ” “Prevent outside sources from influencing our elections by an influx of “bribery” funds.”

      The choice of the individual serving within our governments to be corrupt and take bribes, commit behavior that allows them to be blackmailed, etc, in and of itself proves that they must be removed and prosecuted. But make no mistake, it WAS THEIR choice.

      They know they are bound by the Oath, as they not only are required to take and keep it, but they must sign that they have, and will, done/do so. Accountability of those that serve within our governments is through the American people starting with protests, recalls, elections, etc. It moves to the Militia enforcing our laws when those that serve are corrupted so badly and the uneducated serve as a governmental unlawful enforcement arm. Read the US Constitution to which all is bound and from which ALL governmental delegated authority comes from (the only kind here in the USA).

      I myself distrust any who in this corrupt period want a “convention” instead of constitutionally required enforcement of our laws, removal and replacement of the corrupt serving, BECAUSE we cannot stand over those that serve within our governments – state and general – and make sure they do as delegated. They do NOT do so now, why would they there when the opportunity is to give themselves power and to destroy the US Constitution and America? This is NOT the first time the enemies of America, the US Constitution have tried to use a convention to destroy our nation.

      I believe that the enemies of our nation – domestic and foreign – are attempting to do so again using well “spoken” words and misguided people. Until we are in a position to ENFORCE what we already have, then no convention will change that enforcement of the US Cosntitution is needed and REQUIRED. All it can do at best is put into words that still cannot be enforced, and worst case, destroy our nation in a recognized way that we determine is lawful.

      But since that convention would be committed by Treason , Traitors, lies, deceit would it be actually lawful? If that is so, would that make First Degree Murder powers (assassination powers) lawful as proclaimed by the presidential impersonator? If these things are done by enemies of our nation, by traitors, would any of it be lawful since it was committed AGAINST us, not with our blessing, by deceitful and lying practices? Dr. Vieira, would that be make it a lawful and binding on Americans action when it was in all honesty not done lawfully and constitutionally? Not a contract done honesty, but by lies, deceitful practices?

      I personally believe as a contract on the American people done by deceit it would be null and void. But that is my BELIEF. I can back it by some contract law, but would it apply to our supreme law, the contract that all who serve under are delegated the authority to make decisions for us? All I can do is stand for what I believe, and a convention at this time is dangerous to Americans and I will NOT be bound it. I am bound to the US Constitution, which requires openness from those that serve.

  25. I think that Dr. Vieira is correct and you are wrong. The problem as I’ve seen it over the last few decades is that the so-called pro-2nd community is misinformed about Militia and thereby lends to the issues rather than help resolve them.
    You can’t have arguments in law that touch certain aspects and ignore the full context. Opinions of law are what brought us to this point. Either the Constitution means exactly what it says, or it means nothing at all. So, if the Constitution at Article 1, Section 8 enumerates the duties, powers, and responsibilities surrounding Militia it must be enforced as such.
    An unorganized militia, without the proper arms, and training is a constitutional impossibility. If we surround that legal fallacy with arguments that ignore the explicit points of law we’re creating more confusion, and allowing government to lead the fight in its favor, and therefore disparage our incomplete claims.
    If you were to petition the state, as I’ve done here in accordance with the statutes, to be a part of Militia you can make the claim that the state is denying its defined duty. Of course the state can, as they’ve done here say that I’m part of an unorganized militia, or that I can join the National Guard. I think that these are points to be made before you can assert that a certain arm is of Militia use. If you abide the state’s unlawful act you subscribe to its rules under that doctrine. Therefore, if the state says you are not part of the organized Militia you don’t need, nor can you claim any use for that firearm. You have tacitly agreed to their points for decades by ignoring your duty, and failing to make the proper claim in law.

    1. I agree, these are points to be made, and to be addressed, before the details of militia arms are faced. The unlawful act (Dick Act, which cannot change the central role of the militia without a constitutional convention) and its deceptive direction must be reviewed and rejected publicly.

  26. I have to say that this has been the most educational and informative thread I have ever had the pleasure of taking part in. AND, it has filled me with an even greater appreciation of who we are as Americans…which I hadn’t thought possible. We will find our way…we must!

  27. I think Brandon Smith makes the most sense in this thread. DMZuniga says that we will DEMAND that our representatives listen to us, backed up by armed citizens, or else. I feel certain that most still will not listen. The good moral patriotic men and women serving in Congress, in our State governments, and in Presidential administrations are in the minority. Was Lois Lerner and others in the IRS prosecuted? Has anyone been charged over the deaths in Benghazi? Was Eric Holder indicted for Fast & Furious? Has Sandy Hook been exposed as the engineered event it was? How did the Oregon governor handle the Malheur occupation?

    I don’t believe that States are going to allow State Militias to be set up, not today, not in this climate of gun control. Not when politicians who support the 2nd Amendment get portrayed by the Left-wing Extremists as “too extreme” and get blasted for not protecting children from “gun violence.” Have you heard Obama and Hillary both saying how they admire Australia’s approach to stopping mass shootings? We all know that Australia confiscated guns. That should tell you where the politicians are headed. (The mass shootings will stop when the Communists are ousted from our government, they’re staging them and killing Americans to garner support for gun confiscation.) Also, a rifle or a handgun is just not much firepower.

    Alex Jones once said that the plan of the evil ones is to release a bio weapon in the U.S. if people rise up. How do you fight that? We must consider that bio weapons, tactical nukes, and Hellfire missiles on drones are part of the arsenal which the evil ones taking over our country have at their disposal and will readily use to maintain power. As I see it, either our military leaders honor their Oaths and restore government according to the Constitution, with the help of veterans and law enforcement, or we’re done. The Egyptian people were able to oust the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood leader who usurped leadership only because the Egyptian military backed them. Will the U.S. military confront a domestic enemy and support the patriotic Americans?

  28. I wish there wasn’t an internet sometimes as here is the reason. A complete cluster [One word deleted by Elias Alias, editor] of all the information here. Everyone has some different sort of explanation of what a Constitutional Militia is
    all about. What happened to Stewart? He is an attorney on this subject. Why put this on the internet and then leave it up to want-a-bee’s about the Constitution. Actually you need to get in on the system to change this system to work for us again. This might be a quicker and better way to get that end result. But I don’t know and really am jus sick and tired of anyone doing nothing, just flapping off at the keyboard here and elsewhere. You got a lot of good ideals, but you need one that will start working.

    1. Well, I might simply say that you are here *reading*. If someone does not write, there would be nothing to read. Go figure, eh?
      But I feel your pain. It would seem that no one is doing anything. However, that is only a surface-level matter. Below the surface we are doing a lot. By that I mean, education is a pro-active approach to change, for everything that happens in politics and governance begins first within the mind of man. If you want to dismiss the importance of sharing educational materials with the public at large, go ahead and condemn us. But others do recognize the value and importance of our work here.
      Thanks for reading,
      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

  29. How can I inspire a ‘constitutional convention’ of Cal, Stewart, Edwin, Brandon, and everyone listed above. And I can mention many others around the country who aspire to the same goals and aspirations. UNITY is our strength. I do not care about our DIFFERENCES! In a fox hole, NO ONE DOES! We ARE in fox holes!!!
    I chatted with a woman of great courage today, She has a website: http://www.educationwillsetyoufree.com. She is one of US, but out there very much alone. We MUST UNITE on that which is Righteous and let our differences fall back! Our ‘opposition’ are UNITED and organized. Let our goal of liberty and freedom bring us together! And let us bring KrisAnneHall into the fold!
    The Americans that have commented above gives me great hope! In the course of my day, interacting with a very wide variety of people, it is OBVIOUS that 90 percent of ‘we the people’ are ANGRY!!!
    David Zuniga, I will look into your world, and I truly appreciate your presence. UNITY is our hope.
    With much gratitude to Oath Keepers for maintaining this site. So few men are there that maintain this site. I love you.
    With warm regards to all,
    Robert D. Gubisch

  30. Elias Alias, I just read your last comment. It is 9:20p.m. my time, here in central Virginia. I am one of the many who recognize the importance of what you do here, and did some 40 years ago in a foreign land. You are my beloved brother, as is Stewart. I thank you for your service and for doing that which I have not been capable of doing. In the light of all eternity, you shine like a radiant Star of goodness, and God is Goodness personified!!!
    May you sleep well with Angels embracing you!
    With much gratitude,
    Robert D. Gubisch

    1. Thank you sincerely Robert.
      Apparently you and I are of the same mind, yes? Thank you for being here. May you sleep well with Angels embracing you, too. We shall be okay, no matter what fools and sociopaths may do to us, for we are spirit, which they cannot reach through our bodies to molest.

      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

  31. From whence our illustrious gubmint’s “RIGHT” to invent, create, build, buy, keep, maintain, and/or use nuclear weapons?

  32. Perhaps all but 1 or 2% of all of mankind have lived under oppressive rule. What makes America what it is is a constitution which limits oppression by govt. Thusly, Americans may enjoy life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness.
    The US Constitution permits a navy & mlitias. When war is declared, the army/armies are called up…. these armies originate in the militias.
    Standing armies have been called the ‘tools of tyrants’.
    From standing armies also come the personnel which man ‘national’ police forces.
    These are NOT provided for in the US Constitution. Can we say that the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS enforcement, BLM, BATF, etc. are never used to unconstitutionally limit freedom & liberty (i.e., are they repugnant to the US Constitution?)? OK, are they so used some of the time? Rarely used thus? Never so used?
    Many Colonists feared police forces as much as standing armies. They had to deal w/a dictator (emphasis not on tator) 3,000 miles away. They had to deal w/redcoats amongst them- whom I guess were not always pleasant blokes. More than likely these were cheeky fellows.
    So we now have 3,000+ dictators a mile away. Our government has consolidated power, usurping it from States & citizens both. This federal leviathan also dumps on the very patriotic who volunteer service/very lives if necessary.
    Reinstitute the militias, under control of the states. Cast the brigands/political pretenders out, for they are hardly pearls which by feeding the swine may cause nausea…..
    Our country has treaties w/over 60 countries, whom we are to defend. Where were we given that moral obligation? Do not the fine citizens of these countries bear the responsibility?
    Should our State & Treasury Departments be not so eager to make gifts of our taxed labors (and our sons & daughters) to these tyrants, they would whither, allowing those fine citizens to wrest control of their lives.

  33. I agree with some and not so much with others in the comments. I would like to bring up a concern I have not seen here, and it may not effect to many people, but it does me and always has. I am not loaded with money and therefore want to bring up the question of why we need another group??? Brake it down and you start seeing my point. These people want $108.00 a year, and Oath Keepers is around $100 depending, GOA could be over $100 a year, then you got people saying you have to have Concealed Carry Insurance cause if you had to flash your gun it would destroy you and take everything you worked for. Insurance can be $360 per person per year. So added it up and with my wife who carries, but not that interested in all these “groups”, is $1028 a year and that is not with additional donations or NRA membership or State Orgs. either. So with State Orgs. one could easily be at $1250 without even any additional donations for the year. Then you have Candidates, Immigration, Churches, abortion, union or anti-union, and the Conservatives for Toe Nail Fungus, [wait is that a group???] AND everyone telling me I need to “PREPARE” for the up coming “end of times” survival with guns and food and God only knows what all ….. You get the picture, I hope…. Other than Oath Keepers, which is a specialized group, MY QUESTION IS WHY so many different groups??? It has been written before that the Second Amendment is not a single issue, so why not one or two groups to fight for all of it??? Why not some consolidation??? Some overall communication???

    Sorry, I can’t afford any more memberships, and I don’t have any friends, except my wife, seems they all left when the business, money and my health went to crap, so I would be no good to this organization anyway, not that I would join without a lot more research on some of the comments they made in the video…

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