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Do Bundy Ranch Standoff Indictments Mean More Arrests are Imminent?

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Now that they’ve unhorsed Cliven Bundy and his core adherents, will the feds now turn their attention to the remainder of his supporters?

“Ammon Bundy, brother Ryan Bundy, Ryan Payne and Peter Santilli — already indicted in the armed takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon — now face federal indictment along with Cliven Bundy in the 2014 armed standoff near the Bundy ranch in Nevada,” Maxine Bernstein of The Oregonian reported Wednesday.

The indictment lists nine United States Code violations, including: “Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States: Conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer; Carrying a firearm in a crime of violence; Assault on a federal officer; Threatening a federal law enforcement officer; Obstructing justice; Interfering with interstate commerce by extortion; [and] Interstate travel in aid of extortion.” It also presents five forfeiture allegations leveled against “property obtained from the proceeds of their crimes, totaling at least $3 million, including cattle [and require the defendants] “to forfeit firearms and ammunition used in the April 12, 2014, standoff with federal authorities.”

This action is leading to justifiable speculation and worries that others who assisted in security operations and who were at Bunkerville to show solidarity with the cause of resolving western land disputes may now find themselves rounded up. Some have seized on that and  are issuing strident warnings that are long on alarm but short on corroboration beyond unsubstantiated claims of having “intel.”

It may be that a massive operation is in the works, but to react imprudently without actual intelligence is a good way to escalate things to the favor of those who wish to discredit the Patriot movement. Some of us have seen appallingly bad “intel” happen in real time during the Malheur occupation, with supposedly credible reports of ground action occurring that later turned out to be completely false. There’s “intel,” there’s bad “intel,” and there’s flat-out disinformation put out there by secretive parties with agendas to force an emotion-driven move, and to entrap.

The Bundys, through actions they initiated, provided situational opportunities to bring them in with minimal chances of pushback and risk to the “authorities.”  A reason the government didn’t just go in full force to “Waco” either Bunkerville or Malheur is because their analysts knew not only would casualties play badly in the press for their political masters, but that there are those in other AOs capable of responding in places and ways no one could predict or prepare for. The subsequent distrust and rage fallout from the Finicum shooting has to convince those doing the cost/benefits analysis that massive brutal sweeps will provide plenty of opportunities for things to turn disastrous, both during operations and, significantly, afterward.

Look at it this way: Just as being armed is a deterrent against an individual predator due to the uncertainty of a successful attack and the likelihood that he could be the one who loses everything, so too does that work on the societal scale. That’s one of the “design features” of an armed citizenry that acts as a safeguard by providing powerful incentives to all sides for peaceable alternatives.

So is the message here not to worry, everything’s going to be OK?

Of course not. We’re living in incredibly dangerous times.

Our duty to our oaths and to ourselves requires us to stay alert and prepared. Of course we should have plans and contingencies for self-defense and for mutual defense – that’s just part of what we should already be doing. But that duty also includes being discriminating on what information we buy into, disseminate and react to, and to not play into the hands of those who intentionally throw out provocative lies, either so they can laugh at the rise they get, or so they can destroy.

There are people in this organization — including those with skin in the game — working tirelessly behind the scenes to separate the wheat from the chaff, and doing the best they can with the resources at hand. Let’s all continue to keep our eyes open and to make sure we do our due diligence so that the sources we rely on are credible and worthy of our trust.

So what happens if soon after this is posted we start seeing raids and roundups?

No one has either a crystal ball or a reliable road map through hell. The best laid plans and all that. I guess we’ll find out.

But the advantages of relying on good information still apply.



David Codrea blogs at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance (, and is a field editor/columnist for GUNS Magazine. Named “Journalist of the Year” in 2011 by the Second Amendment Foundation for his groundbreaking work on the “Fast and Furious” ATF “gunwalking” scandal, he is a frequent event speaker and guest on national radio and television programs.


  1. They can sure lay it on thick can’t they.My Dad told me that “The government buys ink by the barrel”.
    I’m sure they buy red tape and manure by the pallet.
    We are dealing with a Cowardly Bully, that gets it’s way all the time. And it expects to get it all the time.
    It will grind on the American people forever to get it’s way.
    Look back into history. It always comes out the same, “Rome is burning!”………..again.

    1. Question! What is the answer to all this! We know what has taken place in the past in Countries like Germany China Russia or Soviet Union. First grab the guns next burn all books and then divide the people into groups. Our Constitution in it’s Articles spells out the Right for people to have arms and to be able to defend ourselves against the enemy. It is the responsibility of the Government to instruct and train We The People of our Republic.The Second Amendment is a Right and made an Amendment for when The Tyrants and their Trolls try to grab them from us.There is much more to this then the right to bar arms. It has to do with who we are and where we would like to go. For us any and all action against The Tyrants in Washington will be wrong and looked at illegally, because we will be the enemy. The War in 1776 was looked at by England as a Civil war Civil unrest. It only became good and right, because we won. If we did not win England would have hung all of the inner circle of the interrogators. The Tyrant’s in Washington goal with the help of the United Nations is to turn us into slaves of The New World order. Time has come and gone for the use of talk action is needed.
      Charles J. Kollman an Oath Keeper since Aug of 2012
      For The Republic.

      1. I only wish the Oath Keepers had gotten involved in the beginning, and there would most likely have been a favorable outcome. The ranchers do not have the military experience or tactical expertise necessary to carry out a mission of this caliber. In addition, our Vets and Patriot LEOs would have been able to ferret out the infiltrators, and would have been able to offer other strategies, rather than boxing themselves in at the Malheur Refuge.

        Now the feds have been empowered to make retro arrests back to the supporters of Bundy Ranch, including ALL Oath Keepers.

        May God help us all and give us Divine Guidance to be able to defeat this tyranny!

    2. I’m sorry, but that won’t do, to sweep this whole issue under the rug and hope it will all go away peacefully. Our leaders are under attack and when they go down, the rest of us are scattered to the winds in despair. We need to take action for the Republics sake. We have waited too long and been out to lunch while the enemies of the Constitution have entrenched themselves into key positions to make up any rule or law they want to be enforced by them on us, but they have made provisions and exclusions to their laws that don’t apply to them. We need more to make them accountable for overruling their laws that supersede the Constitution and Bill of Rights! Please, I beseech you, our leaders, don’t play their (the Corrupt DOJ) game and fall into their Psyops trap. Being watchful and cautious of our every move to keep from being captured by their Devilish ops will wear us down, like they want us to do. We must make them edgy to look over their backs for any attacks that may come their way! Ie, play them at their own game and play to win! Am I saying Guerrilla warfare is in order here? Maybe! We need to do something here and using peaceful means won’t work in a court system that is rigged into their favor! Please think hard about this! Do you want the status quo to continue to our demise or take our country back with less of their insane laws and those who are willing to sell out our freedoms? It’s up to you!

      1. Agreed up to the point of garrilla warfare. When people talk like that I have to point out all the elderly and infirmed that will be the collateral damage. When people get scares they stay home. And who looks after those in hospitals and old folks homes ect.

        A real protest March by able bodied and ready to fight will get attention. Targeted to specific places of threat. With real expectations. And identity concealed( lile wearing sunglasses). There is no reason anyone should make themselves a target.

        If several thousand show up a few times consistently. Attention will be had. If not then all is lost already.

    3. you know what really kills me is that the FBI and others are putting hilliary on the back burner! she should be the main focus, not good American Patriots trying to stop the illegal take over of our lands!! Not to mention Obammy should have been arrested along time ago!!!

  2. Just a heads up I seen the wiki page for what they call the Bundy standoff in Nevada these are the key leaders listed. Id expect that those are to be targeted as they are clearly marking them as leaders in the Nevada Bundy standoff.

    Chuck Baldwin
    Ammon Bundy
    Cliven Bundy
    Cliven Lance Bundy
    Ryan Bundy
    Brian Cavalier
    Blaine Cooper
    LaVoy Finicum
    Richard Mack
    Gordon Martines
    Ryan Payne
    Stewart Rhodes
    Jon Ritzheimer
    Pete Santilli
    David Lory VanDerBeek
    Neil Wampler

    It’s on the wiki page I’ll drop the link here

    1. To me that list looks like the last people who will be indicted for the Nevada action.

      At this point, the Feds are likely to target the littlest fish…the ones most likely to flip in order to avoid prosection and/or jail time. The following, from the motion to deny bail for cliven bundy, gives you an idea of what will happen next.

      the investigation began the day after the assault and continues to this day, identifying the assaulters, where they came from, how they got to Nevada, their connections to Bundy and others and their role in the assault and the aftermath. To date, the government has conducted hundreds of witness interviews; executed over 40 search warrants; reviewed, organized and analyzed hundreds of thousands of pages of documents (mostly from social media); reviewed, organized and analyzed thousands of pages of telephone records; and organized, reviewed and analyzed hundreds of hours of audio and video recordings page 29

      Right now, the feds probably have the names of dozens (hundreds?) of people who came armed to Bundy ranch– and there has to be a lot of low-hanging fruit there. And the feds don’t need enough evidence to convict them of anything…all they need to do is know they were there, and tell them that if they don’t co-operate, they are going to jail (and their families go hungry) to get them to co-operate–and that others are cooperating, and the clock is ticking.

      This process should take at least a couple of months. The “leadership” of the standoff can expect to be arrested shortly before Cliven goes on trial, because the feds want the best case possible against them.

      But the real effort of the feds isn’t to eliminate (either through jail or death) the leadership, its to discredit the movement. And unfortunately, it appears that the Bundy’s were the wrong horse to back. Malheur was a public relations disaster — I can already see the videos of a crying Burns Paiute tribe member (one tear!) as he looks over the “sacred” relics that have been “defiled” by the occupiers.

      Then there is the Bundy standoff — where it turns out (based on the above cited document) that Cliven was not much for animal husbandry, and according to the feds, pretty much let his cattle starve during the winter months. Americans might stand for Oath Keepers pointing weapons at the fed, but show them a picture of Elsie with her ribs showing, and its game over.

  3. Two times when the Oath Keepers got my attention: Baltimore- They told the folk that were afraid of the protestors and the cops, to “arm themselves.” I was already preaching that very thing (albeit to a deaf and/or angry audience).

    Bunkerville- If the Oath Keepers and other Opposition Groups had not been on the ground in Bunkerville, a lot of people would have been injured or outright killed at the business end of the Government Cannons.

    Everyone had better wake up to the “Coercive Acts” this present form of Progressive Government performs with “Titles of Nobility” granted to Agencies, who then perform “Bills of Attainder,” sometimes “Ex Post Facto,” or Predeterminative. I know this preaching to the choir with this group, but it’s time to use the phrases in the Constitution, rather that lazily substituting “Unconstitutional.” Words Matter!

  4. “When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”
    — Thomas Jefferson

    1. The best way to beat the Feds at their game is through JURY NULLIFICATION! I would NEVER convict anyone who did anything to oppose government tyranny even if they were guilty.

      1. You’ve hit the nail on the head: NULLIFICATION! Jury nullification and also nullification at the state level.

        “Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy: that every State has a natural right in cases not within the compact, (casus non fœderis) to nullify of their own authority all assumptions of power by others within their limits: that without this right, they would be under the dominion, absolute and unlimited, of whosoever might exercise this right of judgment for them.” – Thomas Jefferson

      2. What one may want to look at, in relation to your pronouncement about disqualification, is who determines one is disqualified, and whether that disqualification process itself is Constitutional, which it is not. No damned judge or court anywhere can morally or lawfully disqualify any citizen reporting for jury duty based on that juror’s pre-conceived notions about jury nullification.
        Having said that, I’m sure many readers will suggest I go tell that to the judge, who has the cops with guns to back up his ‘authority’. However, just because the court can out-muscle me does not prove my statement of fact to be wrong, not in the least. In fact, the very aspect of the threat of force existing to protect the system’s strangle-hold on American justice (by allowing a person holding a judge-job to set the “rules of the court” or “color of law” in telling jurors what they can and cannot think in their consciences) indicates to me which side of this question I’d prefer to stand on.

        Go to FIJA and start reading. This is the fourth branch of our government, and it belongs to each of us.

        New Hampshire (iirc) recently passed a State law requiring judges to inform jurors in all criminal trials of their right and duty to judge the law as well as the accused in a case. FIJA has been around since the 1980s and is an excellent organization on behalf of the American people — We The People can just say no, with nothing more than a simple “Not guilty” in a trial. The authorities hate this, but cannot deny it.
        Elias Alias, editor

      3. I was a witness to a jury selection process and trial in a federal courtroom in Florida where the judge was vetting the jurors with many questions, looking for run-ins with and prejudice against the IRS, federal government, or had any type of criminal record. Many jurors were dismissed because of misconduct from police that they had endured. The judge kept instructing the jury throughout the trial that the law as the judge interpreted it was what the jury had to use to render their decisions. The judge’s questions and instructions ensured that there would be no knowledge of, or usage of jury nullification. Ironically, one juror did hang the jury in this kangaroo court. It was an eye-opening experience to see how the deck was stacked against the defendant.

  5. There was a guy on revradio saying they have a list of 80+ and are adding everyone including people who donated food, or money. But regardless, what they (the feds) are saying is “this will not happen again!” Next time anyone comes to the defense of a farmer, or anyone else, the BLM, or other unconstitutional fed goons are going after, will get maximum payback! I think they are saying, “it’s war! From here on out expect the extreme response! Face off against us and die!” I think the next Bundy ranch will go hot! Very hot! They are warning everyone who’s watching, that the gloves are now off!

    1. I don’t think they care now! Oregon let the feds know that America is 99.99% on their side. Which is crazy, but crazy is where we are! Liberal fascists siding with a liberal fascist government! I can not believe the schizophrenic language people are spewing. They are all “I hate the feds, the IRS, the NSA!”, and then they are all like “go feds, kill those patriots! F__k the constitution!” It’s crazy! And, where is there anyone who can stop it! The lawless one can go full dictator now! I’m sure that he knows who he is, and that he is free to do anything he wants!

      1. The irony of your post is that you are spewing schizophrenic language.

        I understand most of you “patriots” have, at best, a 10th grade level education, so it is understandable that you would make a statement such as “liberal fascists”, as you have clearly never actually studied fascism. Fascism, by definition, is a right wing phenomenon. Right wing is conservatism, this, by definition it cannot be a liberal act.

        This is to be expected from sheep, they do not have critical thinking skills, or much of a desire to actually educate themselves.

        The same level of cognitive dissonance is on display in Shawna Cox’s latest filing. I’d be very interested in the comedy gold that would be her explaining how a communist oligarchy works.

      2. Fascism is national socialism. Socialism is the control of markets for national good. This is a core principle of all kinds of leftist philosopies, I’m not sure how you could conflate this with a group of people who want individual control of their own resources and lives without government intervention and control, but you literally couldn’t have sounded more ignorant of the subject.

      3. Fascism is definitely not National Socialism.

        Germany was National Sozialist (NAZI), Italy was fascist, a union between State and business.

      4. regarding Henk-2 response: Hitler’s Socialism ans Mussollini’s Fascism fought together; blindly idolized their leaders and enslaved the individual. Kinda like our ‘democracy’.

      5. Actually, you frankly are best described as a “liberal fascist” or any other combination of words adding up to useful idiot Talk about a sheep! Look in a mirror. And you’re the one with flawed and uninformed understanding of what a liberal is historically. Classic liberalism is a historically English phenomenon–a philosophical revolution of conscience that slowly turned political, a reaction by humanists against centuries of oppression by a ruling monarchical and aristocratic class beneath whose wheel of pure self-indulgent insanity 95% of mankind was crushed daily. Liberalism was a flag waved for the natural rights of a human being in the face of his government’s constant tyranny. True liberalism is the exact opposite of what you modern-day “liberals” espouse. Like socialists and Marxists everywhere your masters co-opted the language to put the happy face on socialism’s equally tyrannical purpose with regard to its “citizens”, by which modern socialists understand means “subjects”. The Constitution of the United States was written by men steeped in this classic liberalism who well knew the history of the world up to that point. And while you smirk your way through your smarmy posts, your smugness probably rests on an economic base where you owe your very livelihood to some federal crumb, either by employment or legislation, whether in some union-dominated profession or other contrived social machination which would collapse instantly without the juggernaut steamrolling on, to its benefit, the continued robotism of its adherents and the shrinking viability of a true Republic, which, like yourself, it hates like Dracula hates the sunlight.

      6. Here is a bell ringer,how ABOUT we follow the Constitution of this greAt nation ,and bring this GreT Country we call America Back to the glory and guts ,we use to be so proud of,it is just that simple,WAKEUP America

      7. Actually, guvnut, if you had studied Fascism you would know that it was developed by the head of the German National Socialist Workers’ Party (Hitler) and became the form of government in Germany under the National Socialist Workers Party, nicknamed the “NAZI” party because of a German language abbreviation.


        Bill Witten, BA, Political Science. 🙂

      8. Absolutely and absurdly incorrect Bill!

        “Fascism” (fascio–>Bundle of Sticks) was born in Italy in about 1920. It was Benito Mussolini who after WW1 formed a Nationalist form of government to squash the Socialist (most specifically Communist) government that had taken root in Italy. Interestingly, he had grown up in a Socialist Household. Some of the tenets of Socialism were brought in to the fold after the die hard socialists were beaten into submission by the Black shirts of the Fascist party.

        I’ve been studying Fascism for 30 years now. It’s apparent you have not studied it at all, nor has Notanut. For Notanut and you Bill It’s uncool to incorrectly verbally assault someone’s opinion, especially when you know not what you speak of!

        Greg K, BS Environmental Poli Sci

      9. Greg K, it sounds more to me like you studied only Mussolini’s fascism because if you think being a tyrant consists of a precise and unique book definition then you didn’t study history with its LONG track record of various types of tyranny.

        I personally find it absolutely hilarious when someone tries to assert there is ANY measurable difference between the various types of tyranny by pointing at a “book definition”, then declaring; SEE, right there, it says so in the book, that communism IS different than socialism, fascism, nazi, or name your favorite tyrant flavor.

        Frankly, any such argument is absurd and holds ZERO value outside the classroom. I don’t think the person having their head lopped off by a fascist instead of a communist, or by majority vote in a democracy, really makes any difference to the people having their heads chopped off. Talk about not seeing the forest.

      10. Actually Dana, I was only pointing out that the NAZI form was a derivative of the original version. Fact is, we can look at many leaders in the early 20th century and ferret out tenets of Fascism. Woodrow Wilson would be a great place to start. We could even go back further to the Reconstruction period and look at say, the Sedition Act, or Confiscation Act as structural footholds for Fascism. Point is, the text books have it right and your insistence of wanting a different historical outcome does not make it so…..

      11. Look no further than Leonid Brezhnev’s family and friends in the old Soviet empire to see how a communist oligarchy works. Absolute power corrupts. Don’t bother throwing the condescending 10th grade education insults around. You don’t have a monopoly on education or intelligence.

      12. sometimes your just not as knowledgeable as you present. especially when you spew the Tyrants doctrine that is so much the signature of the Demo traitor party.

      13. Arrogantly belittling others does no one any good. I have no idea what the educational statistics are. Neither do you obviously. What is your source in stating most PATRIOTS have 10th grade educations. All the PATRIOTS I know are incredibly intelligent. Ever watch “Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?”. Many people are gifted with practical sense whether they complete high school or not.

      14. Notanut youareaNUT. Fascists are national socialists (like NAZIs), while Communists (and Fabians) are international socialists. If you are so smart, why do you sound so dumb? It’s easy to be critical, but rest assured that there are some of us more knowledgeable and experienced than you.
        Sorry Elias, I could’t resist.

      15. No, you are NOT a nut. But you ARE a soft boiled egg! (a rotten one at that!)

        Education is not inimical to ‘patriotism’, NOR is the time spent in school a dependable measure of education. You throw out terms such as fascist, liberal and conservative as if they were coins you just minted.yourself.

        “liberalism’ (without a capital “L” is a philosophical concept relating to the relationship between citizens with other citizens and between citizens and their government. “Liberalism” (WITH a capital “L” is a fraud perpetrated on innocent and susceptible citizens to disguise their authoritarian methods.)

        This is the reason why most “true” liberals today refer to themselves as ‘libertarians’.

        On the other hand, your criticism of “Dave” is VALID! There is absolutely NO reason or evidence to justify his statement that 99.99%
        of Americans support the feds or their ‘fascist methods’! There is
        considerable support for the ‘Malheur Malcontents’ here in Oregon & elsewhere.

        Following is my letter to the editor of the McMinnville News Register, in response to criticism of the Yamhill County Board or Commissioners stated support of the Bundys et. al.

        Board takes right tack
        As I attempted to make sense of Eric Witherspoon’s Feb. 5 letter, the question as to which country he came from kept arising. Is he not the least bit familiar with the U.S. Constitution or the separation of powers clearly outlined in that document? That there are many other issues which the commissioners must confront is a no-brainer, but that there are other more critical and divisive issues that demand their (and our) attention is perfectly clear. It is not their primary job to either “respect and uphold” federal decrees, particularly when there is absolutely no constitutional basis for such extraterritorial fiats. The same goes for the chief law enforcement officer of the county (although clearly the sheriff of Malheur County is apparently unaware of his constitutional authority or simply chose to vacate his obligatory responsibility).

        I would also note that when the last four protesters surrendered, it was a very serious error for them to allow the FBI to take them into custody. They should have demanded that the sheriff of the county was the only lawful authority in the dispute.

        David Terry

      16. you are right on David Terry. My concern over what the Feds are doing and the way they are dividing and conquering with a corrupt system and oppressing the Ranchers and scaring them into submission by picking a choosing who they are going to kill to send a message. We the Oath Keepers have a righteous idea and workable solution to many things, but we are many only spread all over the place. I believe in the end it will take one strong stand with many to show we will not back down from a corrupt government that is wrong on all fronts. I just cannot believe this is going on in the country I love and grew up in. As a Marine I never stopped training and I still believe in the Oath I took as a Marine and then as an LEO. Something big and bad is coming and we better have a nation wide plan to make a final stand to stop all this tyranny!

      17. Anyone who has studied this subject knows that their is a Ruling Oligarchy that uses all of the so called “isms” to control the people. Don’t know where you came from friend, but that kind of talk is not going to get you anywhere in here.

    2. That’s interesting, Dave. Do you have a link?

      I donate to OK, but I also specifically donated to the OK fund during. and for, the Bundy Ranch standoff. It would surprise me if I wasn’t already on a list or multiple lists, even though I have harmed no one, but if they’re going to include me on THAT list then they should know I am happy to be on it!

      1. it was revolution radio on youtube, but the guy talking (not the host) said direct donations to Bundy’s, but even so, we are likely talking thousands, and I seriously doubt there’s anything to it.

        I think the feds have bit off far more than they can chew, as they are without constitutional backing, and they know it! Furthermore, they are proving to be the monster America is worried they are. If they go around proving for all to see that they are those who would go door-to-door rounding people up, then they push us into a corner, and we have no choice but to fight our way out.

        Unfortunately, I always return to where is the guy who isn’t enhusiastic about the tyranny, because they all seem to show up for work, and take part in it (tyranny). And now it seems they are an even worse sort, that ambush, and assassinate, people, and then flip them the bird! And they try to throw people, fighting for heir rights, behind bars for decades! And go on roundups to subdue everyone else! And that screams revolution!

      2. I don’t mean for this to be disrespectful or make the matter seem unimportant just an observation of the lengths Feds are willing to go to prove there top notch above the law that they can rewrite or alter when and if they please to suit there needs.

        So if there going after people who donated and helped out aiding the people then they should have the same punishment for the ones who sent sex toys for a laugh. Or just wait for the next list of people who tweeted against the Feds? Oh but this is no worries death threats against the protestors is open season but you say FU Feds go bundys it’s aiding and abetting the enemy a terrorist even.

        But in 2013 Obama waved aiding terrorists act so realy there was no crime comitted, and in fact Obama considers the the US a battle field and he is in support of arming the rebels with munitions to tackle a corrupt government but hasn’t been charged with anything so it’s merely an opinion then. So you know perfect example of how Obamas crooked lies and propaganda could very well back fire on his own agenda I mean with all there bush hush and secrets and psyops on the people who trusts them I fear for my life that Obama will but a choker on me and put me down like a rabid dog cause I don’t know the rules anymore.

      3. I donated but I live in Australia.

        Just to compound it I will now donate $50.00.

        Must keep the Australian Federal Police in a job.

      4. Kasey, not sure where your head is at but your statement is exactly the problem with the Facebook Patriot movement….
        Being on some alphabet list or a no fly list or terror watch list is not a badge of honor, it is not ,”hey I am a cool guy and cannot fly!!”
        It is a goal that POSERS subscribe too! Low key low level is thee only way to roll. I am very pro-government, I am very anti-tyranny.
        To those who think this is some kind of cool thing to do to boast about this op and that op, whether the Battle of Bunkerville, the Sugar Pine Mine operation, the Mine op in Idaho and now the Refuge standoff, those who boast and brag on FB about your actions or those of your friends or by posting pics of you and your buds during an op on FB, it is guys like them that are a feds wet dream.
        For those concerned about past participation, think about what level you were involved, were you simply a foot soldier (you get the idea)? If yes, STFU on FB.
        I honestly believe they are looking for pivotal people, leaders, and not merely anyone who picked up a rifle. If you were the dumbass letting the media take pics of you on the overpass with your rifle set on the feds between concrete barricades, you are [One word deleted by Elias Alias, editor]!! Even worse is that clown uses media pics as a FB cover pic to tell everyone hey look at me I am a cool guy!!!!!!
        Honestly I think that guy already got his due, but those are the guys you want to stay far away from

      5. Super 61, it is always wise to look to the voices of the past. I offer this quote for you to ponder.
        “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Socialist.
        Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
        Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Jew.
        Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
        Martin Niemoller

        Not speaking out gives validation to these coercive acts, perpetrated by our evolving Fascist Government.
        I quit Facebook in Feb. 2013 when they started censoring my “Bipartisan Soft March to Fascism” page.
        It’s not about being “Proud to be on the Lists,” it’s about being proud to know you didn’t stand idly by while good folk are being marched off to prison. It is our US citizen duty to speak out wherever possible 61. I hope that sinks in for you, before it’s too late for us all!

    3. I posted the on WSRA that I believe that the alleged information about “additional warrants” was leaked in a timely manner to take full advantage of the 23 people arrested who were involved in the Oregon protest–and this was done to throw leaders of the liberty movement off balance at this critical time.

      If there were in fact 80 or more additional warrants outstanding there would be no way to keep this secret if in deed it was a fact, also… we would be seeing these arrests being enacted right now, in the open.

      I could be wrong–hopefully I am right.

    4. Dave, I believe you are correct. War has been declared. And I believe that our federal government will not let the Bundy Ranch armed confrontation go silent…not without payback. Our federal government will not, I say again, will not allow the “Patriot Movement” go without the power of the FBI and the full force of the federal government squashing the movement–not just squashing it but setting it on fire and bagging the ashes as a trophy to put on display for all to see.

      The FBI thugs (and the DHS contract mercenaries) will continue to chip away at the patriot leadership and imprison them or kill them in an attempt at suppressing the patriot movement. Their command and control comes from the top down–guaranteed. This must be resisted from the grass roots patriots and coordination with our representatives to see even the slightest changes. As time goes on and the killings and murders grow with frequency and intensity, a call to arms and war will be the only way to get our country back to the people. A new smaller government will have to be installed. Just look at the world history in the last 7,000 years. Governments rise and fall with more frequency now. The United states is over due to collapse under its own weight. The average life span for a society/government is 200 to 250 years. The time is close for the collapse.

      The feds will use the media to paint patriotic Americans as anti-government, militia with bad intentions and revolutionaries. Exactly as it was in 1775.

    5. Hopefully that will include the yo-yo that sent the barrel of sex lube. BTW, the next time that happens, rather than get upset about the gift, make lemonade from lemons. Wiping that all over the deck outside the occupied building could have been a tactical advantage…….

    6. this is exactly why we must have constitutional county Sheriffs who have surrounded themselves with the Posse… the feds need to experience the authority of these Sheriffs.

    7. I really hope this is hyperbole but I wouldnt put it past our criminal .gov to do this. Just remember people, they wont be coming to your house if you’re a target they”ll get you when your most vulnerable like driving to work.

  6. If there are pictures of you pointing guns at LEOs, down at Bundy standoff, then you should expect to be arrested. If there is video footage of you making not very veiled threats towards LEOs, then expect arrest.

    Cue quotes on resisting unjust laws. If you resist non violently, you will face far fewer charges than if you brandish firearms. Bundy falls under failed sedition. If you revolt and fail, then anything short of hanging counts as mercy. Can’t have it both ways. I recommend non violent protest in the future.

    1. Might as well sit home and suck your thumb as to protest peacefully. If you’re not willing to back up your play with force you better stay home and out of the way.

      1. Both Gandhi AND MLK ended up being assassinated. The unarmed thing didn’t work out so well after all. So much for you trying to lead other idiots into traffic.

      2. MLK and Gandhi changed the world. They advanced seemingly hopeless causes to victory. Lavoy got himself shot and made his cause look crazy. Bundy is the Whiskey Rebellion. Ineffective.

        MLK and Gandhi knew they might die. MLK used it as a true and effective speaking point. You guys seem stunned you might be arrested if you break the law. There is an air “Didn’t you know I was playing dress up, when I pointed the M4 at the LEO?” Radical change involves risk. The fact you surprised and offended you may be arrested shows naivete and total lack of conviction. There are no risk free revolts.

        I keep suggesting non violent tactics because they will likely work better. You will never have the numbers for a successful revolt. You can play ptetend, but no. I just worry a few of you will go full McVeigh.

      3. MLK was assassinated when he started to move his communist organization into union organizing. Gandhi was NOT against violence when it appeared his movement was going nowhere; when those in his group convinced him it was going to take violence, and the Brits had no backing to fight after the end of WWII, he won. Gandhi was assassinated later during the political power plays during the Brit withdrawal. Please do not make statements which have no bearing on this situation. You should avoid ad hominem attacks such as “idiots”, they contribute nothing other than disrespect for your own comments.

      4. Ed, if you are worried that a few of us “will go full McVeigh” then you don’t understand the liberty movement at all.

        I expressed surprise I would be arrested? Am I typing in chinese? I said that I would be surprised if I wasn’t on a list, or multiple lists, because I believe in the US Constitution, freedom, liberty, and I am a vet. ALL of those things have been stated by law enforcement to be the hallmarks of “right-wing violent extremists”, even though I would NEVER consider harming anyone unless and until they tried to harm me. “They” don’t understand liberty and freedom any more than you do.

      5. MLK and Gandhi both ended up dead, but guess what — each of them affected the lives of millions of people and helped civilization more forward in terms of sensitivity and cooperation for the general freedom.

        Brothers and Sisters, we’re all going to die. Dying isn’t avoidable except for a brief time. No “body” gets out of this world alive.

        What that suggests to me is that the quality of one’s life is more important than the duration of one’s body. And what that tells me is that just as a man is responsible for the terms of his life, he also is responsible for the terms of his death. Live well; die well.

        Elias Alias, editor

      6. to quote Kenny Rogers, “you got to know when to hold them, and know when to fold them. Know when to walk away, know when to run”

        right now, the feds hold the high hand…betting the pot isn’t likely to suceed, given you haven’t got better than a draw to an inside straight.

      7. Agreed up to the point of garrilla warfare. When people talk like that I have to point out all the elderly and infirmed that will be the collateral damage. When people get scares they stay home. And who looks after those in hospitals and old folks homes ect.

        A real protest March by able bodied and ready to fight will get attention. Targeted to specific places of threat. With real expectations. And identity concealed( lile wearing sunglasses). There is no reason anyone should make themselves a target.

        If several thousand show up a few times consistently. Attention will be had. If not then all is lost already.

      8. Thom you are right on brother! We can sit down all we want and join hands peacefully while the corrupt feds come in with Dogs and Armed to the teeth to show the world they are God Almighty. The problem we have is the media is on their side! We get painted as Nuts and Government hating Militia’s when we are the real Patriots that want our once great nation made whole again. Something wicked is about to happen…..

    2. Ed, your sarcasm and snarky name calling are completely unnecessary. However I do agree that non violent protest is a better answer than armed occupation of a wilderness area. The main problem is the limp wristed city dwelling liberals who have no idea of what it is to live as a free people. These people sit in their city offices and make rules for people they neither know or understand. Kings court is held by so called men with dainty tassels on their shoes while their women all wear boots. They are convinced there is far more importance to a nematode than to the freedom of humans. Their self loathing influences their decision so their own misery seems less painful compared to the pain you are suffering by their decisions.

      Armed resistance should always be left on the table until all else has failed. Bringing the problem to the front of the news cycle to a point where every American knows and feels your pain. How different would the outcome of this last protest be if instead of protesting in the small town of Burns and the armed occupation of the wildlife refuge you could have organized hundreds of ranchers to drive all their cattle into down town Portland. I see here all the time the importance of psyops. Maybe getting a message out to all the people of this nation about your problem before actually taking further steps would be a better idea. If everyone understands the extent of the government abuse and land grab the west is dealing with you will gain more support nationwide. Mr. Bundy almost had the recognition of a nation of people who are all sick of our government. The media found his weakness in his lack of understanding of African Americans and used that to his down fall.

      10,000 cattle in down town Portland followed by an educated speaker who was pre-selected for the job would have had a much different result. Everyone else involved should have been pre-warned to only tell the media “I am here to protest government corruption” and nothing else. Psyop to gain support of average people, planning, execution, and limiting speakers to pre-selected personnel and it becomes a national fight instead of local. Right now you are only reaching less than 1% of the people you need to effect a change. Gain the sympathy of the masses and watch congress have to act on your behalf. This is everyone’s fight, that no one knows they are in.

      How about getting notarized statements from every rancher, logger, miner, farmer, and property owner all over the country who has either been run off their land or been harassed by the feds. Have a thousand cowboys on horseback take boxes of statements into Washington DC and deliver them to congress. Smart news would have much better results than the bad news we are hearing now. Force the media to get out your side of the story. Where are you now, where do you want to be, what do you have to do to get there….

      I will tell you the feds can sit on warrants as long as they want. the next time you try and organize a protest they will pick off as many as they can as you try and travel using those warrants. This will not only decapitate your protest but warn the others wanting to participate that they are next. Be smart, get attention, gain support. Hell ten cowboys on horseback traveling from the west to DC with the same boxes of notarized statements would be a news story the entire ride. Let the media know you are doing a protest ride to deliver thousands of affidavits to congress as to how the government is abusing its citizens in the west. Talk about how much land the government owns and has stolen every year since the BLM was started. Talk about the price of beef being so high because we are losing thousands of ranchers to the BLM land grab every year. Talk about the abuse people suffer by the BLM financed with the endless supply of our tax dollars. Talk about the wildlife having more land than the people that are losing their way of life. Make your case in front of cameras the entire ride. These folks have a legitimate cause. Average Americans can understand when you make your point in a manner the media can not make you out to be kooks or extremists. Fight smart does not always mean militarily smart. Build support with hearts and minds. Beat them at their own game. Most of the country is fed up with the fed. Give us an avenue to fight we can all take part in.

      My God if Levoy had lead 10 men on horseback carrying thousands of affidavits across country talking to the media about the abuse all the way to DC how different would this story be. Are you trying to start a battle or win the war. This is not the middle east. We all come from the same stock here. Hearts and minds will work here. Stop alienating potential allies and build a coalition. The national media will have to report your fight if every small town media flocks to your support. Every day when you get a chance for an interview read one of the horror stories in front of the cameras. Tell a nation this is why we are protesting. We are protesting to end this injustice. We ask everyone to call your congressman and ask them to help end this abuse, return the land to the people who live on it. Wildlife does not need 33% of the land mass of the United States. Animals don’t need 86% of the state of Nevada. Help us stop it now before it comes to your state.

      The same people we are fighting here have plans to do this same thing all over the country. In 20 years your children will be us. Between oathkeepers, the Constitutional Sheriff’s Association, the various militias, and any other group who is fighting this land grab it should be pretty easy to gather the affidavits from all those victims involved. Most banks will notarize them for free if you sign them at the bank while the notary watches. Box them up after making copies and send the originals in a car. store one copy and carry another on the protest ride. Carry flags and signs and make a spectacle of it. leave your guns at home and build support. Let all those in the east know they are next. I am a small minority here in the east that knows it’s just a matter of time before they come for my land. Find a way to let the rest of us know the facts. The BLM will do the same here if they are successful in the west. I have a dog in this hunt for my children. You have the means to wake up the rest of us.

      1. One good point made was the Bundy Oregon protest was a show of lack of unity in the people. From the first day people did not take there concerns serious and brushed them off as wackos with guns. The people don’t understand issues that people in that part of the country have same goes for all party’s we all have our own opinions and depending on our stage or county are problems are all different but the point is no matter where we are there is government BS just at different levels and branches.

        I say this for a few reasons one the government has spent billions of our money on finding ways to pin us against one another and to keep this country as seperatrd as possible. If all would open dialogue instead of argue meaningless topics like what someone is labeled. Who gives a crap what your ideals are as long as there not intent to harm me or others I don’t really care what it is anyone does. Look we all have a common bond we may not see eye to eye no one will its life get over it. The big picture here is the constant separation of the people the rights verse the left everyone more or less wants the government to change its ways and how do we get the two sides to have one talking point to focus on that they can put there crap aside and work for the ultimate goal to help the people not feeding fat cat politicians.

        The government has spent god knows how much of your and my money finding ways to manipulate you and I how to keep us in the dark doesn’t that bother everyone? I suggest utilize the governments study’s of psyops and how to control us and flip it around on them it’s legal right they do it to us? So how do we do this you find a common problem between the people that would generate a lot of attention and expose it I’m not talking blogs I’m saying bill boards state to state commercials he’ll start a tv show about it who cares you need to utilize the areas that have been set up by government against there own tactics. And what ever happens with community watches where the people of those neighborhoods kept a close eye on each other.

        It’s ranting but it’s my thoughts if we had more common ground and dialogue with one another and found that common goal with all the people I you would get the goal accomplished. Now even though I don’t support what a lot of the black lives matters protests have done they’ve had plenty of violence and this is just an example but the truth is what there goal is there’s more truth to that than some would talk about. We can say whatever we like about the story but cops killing anyone we all should be up in arms white black Mexican is no different you think for a second that trigger won’t come down on you there trained to shoot first ask questions later instead of demonizing these types of protests join them I’ll fight for the cause too I do not condone violence but this is the reality you all have red blood and bleed just like me we have a lot in common and when we put the race cards or privileges down and see the goal that’s it.

      2. Wonderfully stated. Unfortunately, this type of action takes a lot of planning and much work to execute, which loses too many people in the process. The Convention of States is likewise a movement requiring a lot of work. If everyone put their time into the C. of S. movement, we could conceivably put an end to government tyranny, or at least federal government tyranny.

      3. If those that serve within the government of your state were keeping their Oaths and not corrupt, they would have been KEEPING THAT STATE’S SOVEREIGNTY as equal government and authority under the US Constitution.

        That is correct, those that serve within your state government IS a part of our “federal government” constitutional republic, and part of the all IMPORTANT Separation of Powers.

        The so called “federal” government is in actuality the “general” government with very much restricted authority all put into writing within the US Constitution, dealing with mostly FOREIGN affairs – not national. The states actually have more lawful national “power” then the general government, as they created it.

        There is NO need for a convention, there IS a great need to replace all those who serve within our state governments and are the “bootlickers” of the corrupted – treasonous – people who serve within the general government. Those that actually will have a LAWFUL government under the US Constitution and each state Constitution which is not going on now. “We the people…” also have the authority as the ones who dissolved the bonds with England long ago, created a new government here, as the fount of all governmental authority that was delegated to the state and general government through the US Constitution.

        Think I am lying, READ the US Constitution and the framers of our type of government, agreements and disagreements, read the lists the people sent with them when it was created, etc.

        Those trying to totally destroy our nation tried before to have a “convention of the states” so that they could pretend to lawfully destroy our US Constitution (research it), but the people were more educated that time and refused to allow it.

        The states already have the LAWFUL authority to stop what is going on, it is the corrupt and treasonous/domestic enemy people who are serving within the state governments that are the problem.

        Justice Sandra Day O’Connor put it this way: “The Constitution does not protect the sovereignty of States for the benefit of the States or state governments as abstract political entities, or even for the benefit of the public officials governing the States. To the contrary, the Constitution divides authority between federal and state governments for the protection of individuals. State sovereignty is not just an end in itself: “Rather, federalism secures to citizens the liberties that derive from the diffusion of sovereign power.”

        Mack and Printz v. United States: “The Framers rejected the concept of a central government that would act upon and through the States, and instead designed a system in which the State and Federal Governments would exercise concurrent authority over the people. The Federal Government’s power would be augmented immeasurably and impermissibly if it were able to impress into its service – and at no cost to itself – the police officers of the 50 States… Federal control of state officers would also have an effect upon the separation and equilibration of powers between the three branches of the Federal Government itself.”

        Thomas Jefferson: “The several States composing, the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes — delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral part, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party (the people) has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.”

        James Madison, the “Father of the Constitution”: “The States then being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity, that there can be no tribunal above their authority, to decide in the last resort, whether the compact made by them be violated; and consequently that as the parties to it, they must themselves decide in the last resort, such questions as may be of sufficient magnitude to require their interposition.”

        James Madison, Federalist 51: “In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first divided between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subdivided among distinct and separate departments. Hence a double security arises to the rights of the people. The different governments will control each other, at the same time that each will be controlled by itself.”

        Thomas Jefferson: “The government created by this compact (the Constitution) was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party (the people of each state) has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.”

    3. If you think peaceful protests accomplish anything good, then think again!!! Like in Oregon, the people the protestors were protesting about stood in a warm climate controlled gov’t building and laughed at them being out in the blowing snow, wet and cold. And to make it even worse they were getting paid for laughing at you.

      As for you (Edit: removed 2 word) who figure an education will guard you against any physical retributions when and if the shit hits the fan had better take a long hard look at the facts. A bullet fired by a high school dropout will do just as much damage as a bullet fired by a college graduate. and I bet the numbers of each group come nowhere close to being even. Book learning never replaces common sense.

  7. It certainly appears that the federal government has drawn a line in the stand and is going to use the occupation of the reserve and Bundy Ranch to envelope and enlarge action against the “movement”. Notable, is the inclusion of Peter Santilli since he has always claimed status as a member of the press and was never armed, indeed words do matter and it appears that his words are now being used against him as instruments of deadly threats against federal officers. I fully expect the federal forces to continue to expand this case and would not be in the least surprised if the government made a move to classify all of the “milita” groups identified on the Southern Poverty Law Center site as “domestic terrorists” and make it a federal felony offense to even provide material support to such groups. In his memorandum of law the United States Attorney mentioned that he had information that some of the occupiers were being harbored at Bundy Ranch and I would also fully expect that the federal forces will eventually move to take those folks into custody as well. Very soon we may all have to make a decision regarding just how committed we are to liberty.

  8. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

    Time to go dark and save the republic.

  9. D. Codrea asks “So what happens if soon after this is posted we start seeing raids and roundups?” and answers by stating “I guess we’ll find out”. This question really affirms that we need to both expect the arrests and start planning- RIGHT NOW! Other than ourselves planning on where and how far each one of us really wants to go, who is to be expected to prepare a collective response that has some meaning and consequences to tyrannical raids? I believe as one responder above has said, that simple non-violent resistance is the proper way, is actually a meaningless way that the fed’s brush off.

    How can we as free Americans bare the conclusion of fellow Patriots being jailed and losing their property and rights?

    1. With more peaceful protesting, because it works so well! And we have decades of proof! And we know that it keeps them all acting within the confines of constitutional law! And, decades of history proves it keeps fedgov in its constitutional box!

      And all we have to do is go back to sleep, and pretend that we don’t see the darth vader storm troopers lining in the streets with clubs to beat us with! We simply have to pretend not to be gassed with CS gas! We simply have to pretend that those aren’t rubber bullets, bean bags or the real thing! We simply have to pretend that those aren’t bats beating us on the head! We have to simply dream away the fact that the fedgov is all in our business and is no longer contained by the constitution, in any way or form! We simply have to dream away any idea that the lawless are also the law enforcers! If we can do all that, then life is beautiful all the time, and I’ll be happy to see those nice men in their clean white coats

      They’re coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
      They’re coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
      To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I’ll be happy
      to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they’re coming
      to take me away, ha-haaa!!!
      To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
      weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they’re
      coming to take me away, ha-haa!!!
      To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time… (fade out)

      Hey, buddy!
      Yes officer..
      You a head?
      No, but I’m catching up, ha ha ha….

      And that pretty well sums up what I see today, in America.

  10. The country is waking up so this could be a long haul for the feds in the courts,if they go for everyone on that list then you know it will be..Does that include Lavoy who was SHOT down when he clearly had his hands UP..How many SHOTS again .
    And they talk about the LAWS that Bundys broke ?
    Thousand and Id bet millions know what this is all about of who and how it got to this point.
    Folks are seeing this as a Hostile Corporate take over of the Republic, until that settles into the minds of the people where and what does one do ..
    Keep the moral high ground and may the Lord lead as the point will come when if you are not standing YOUR NOT DOING IT RIGHT and may he clearly let the righteous know when !!! .

    1. You speak as if you believe you’re the only one aware of that fact.

      If you’re afraid to speak because of who might be listening, do you have freedom of speech?

  11. Without air support or air assets, satellites, infra-red or night vision, only one response has any feasibility without massive(1,000+) joint movements..

    The very same one our original founders resorted to, polished “large black monkey” tactics.
    No other feasible options.
    Life in a camoed and heat shielded spider hole on the end of a Bar 50 or 308.

    Only massive stockpiles of supplies, hand held communications, and reaching out from afar to touch someone or something every single time when they least expect to feel some warm brotherly love matters.

    Oceans can be terrain.

    Pretty much, not much else. All preparations need to be based on what is attainable and realistic.

  12. From my experiences with various militia organizations across the country, and observing and listening to civilians, my greatest concern is waning commitment on the part of the militia and militia-like organizations, and just plain apathy, fear or lack of awareness on the part of civilians. As a comms guy, I know of no state that, despite years of talk, has built an completely functional, statewide communications network. As a corollary to that, my impression is that militia and similar groups are pretty consistently disorganized, lack a plan, lack leadership, lack truly effective munitions and ordnance and, as mentioned, lack effective inter- or intra-state communications. It took me over a year to build a nationwide emergency communications network for a national, non-governmental, pro-constitutional civil defense organization. Even today, several well-known patriotic organizations are talking about designing and constructing communications networks for their groups. In my estimation, this should have been done years ago. They are talking, but they are not doing. My guess is that they are out of time. It is interesting to note the change in tone and erudition of comments across the internet following the events in Burns, OR. As an former Air Force officer and Vietnam combat veteran, I think it is noteworthy to note that the type of fighting taking place in the Middle East is nothing like the type of fighting that occurred in Viet Nam and previous wars. I hope and pray that our militias and militia-like organizations get themselves organized to the point that they can take effective action, and not merely get a lot of well-intentioned, good-hearted people killed. I’m reminded of the advertisement used by an investment company that included the line, “He didn’t plan to fail; he failed to plan”. Despite the various types of intel referred to above, exactly what do we know with certainty about the (mostly) federal governments plans, strategies, even armament? What I seem to be hearing and reading now is similar to Walt Kelley’s Pogo’s observation and lament: “We have seen the enemy, and he is us”. In sum, my greatest concerns include (1) lack of effective organization and leadership, (2) apathy on the part of most American citizens with regard to preserving the Constitution and our Country, and (3) lack of reliable, accurate intel on what our enemy is planning to do and how far they are willing to go to insure that the onerous goals of the “New World Order” are achieved.
    God bless American, and God bless its citizens.

    1. Welcome Home, Bro! Thank you for your service, and thank you for sharing your observations, which are timely and, imo, spot-on. I hope many reading here will take heed.

      Elias Alias, editor

    2. Col. Randall Smith……Great post, and item #2, “apathy on the part of most American citizens with regard to preserving the Constitution and our country” is one of my greatest concerns….the # 1 item is serious as well, however I trust that “we” will make it work when it counts the most. I am a veteran patriot, still live by my “oath”, am fully prepared and feel there millions that share this position and attitude. We didn’t spend our entire lives building this great Republic to see it taken down by “imposter’s”…I proudly stand by your side Sir…God Bless America …….

    3. Apathy and the Constitution:
      Col., just so you know, this past week I passed out hundreds of copies of the Constitution and The Declaration of Independance to businesses and their customers, to the entire Sheriff’s Dept., to the County Seat’s Police Dept., to the County Jail personnel, and to the Local Fire Dept. I spoke about the delegated powers, States’ Rights and reserved powers, the meaning of being secure in our effects as pertains to digital data as well as papers from unreasonable search, etc. Wherever I went, the welcome was gracious and many showed interest in learning more. Whenever asked were I a veteran, when answered in the affirmative, the response was always, “Thank you for your service.” Thank you for yours, Col.
      It would be my wish that each of us do likewise in their sphere of influence. The first principle in organization should be becoming familiar with those with whom you wish to organize.
      Oh, yes. I also presented the Sheriff with Oath Keepers material and told him that instead of my presenting it to his staff and officers, would he look it over and determine whether it met with his approval to be presented. That’s pending. We shall see.
      Be well and give ’em hell.

  13. “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” –Revelation 21:8

    Gentlemen we have been dancing around the words that the Feds and their UN mercenaries are greatly afraid of and why the death of Lavoy a leader and the Bundy’s to deter this fear. Civil War of which they are not prepared for. Not in man power but against an ideal that is ingrained and unstoppable in the American people and would unit as one. The God given right to be free in the last nation that embodies us all. A people who are united as one and will even put aside their differences to unit in one mind and thought in God to stop the evil that has engulfed our government. Civil War of independence for the rekindling freedom the likes that has not been seen since The War of Independence. The people were out gunned and out manned but we overcame the tyrant King then and we will prevail again in this fight against tyranny now as We The People did then. God is the one who gave us the victory then and he will do it again if we put our complete trust in him and only then will we truly prevail.

  14. All sorts of mischievous people try to use our comments sections to provoke, mis-characterize, falsify, distort, prevaricate, post propaganda, plant doubt in many minds, upset and confuse people, amongst other habitual pastimes favored by idiots. Our readers are aware that Wikipedia often parrots merely the info or misinfo (such as this article to which you linked) provided by interested parties. Whoever wrote that Wikipedia entry betrayed his agenda in several places.

    Nice try. No cigar this time.
    Elias Alias, editor

    1. for those who DON’T like to read all that a subject entails, Daniel G. Bogden – and six or seven other U.S. Attorneys, were fired for political reasons. It is rumored that an investigation into republican misdeeds cost these individuals their position. Daniel G. Bogden is a pretty respectable guy. Look him up.

  15. The easiest way to find out if u have a warrent is go purchase a 100$ ar lower if u pass the background you should be good if not and you always do then I’d be a little concerned .. We should of fraught this time and stuck together regardless the way it started. One By one raids is what they love and it destroys us… Wake up brothers our kids and grand babies deserve freedom . No one else is gonna give it to them except for us. And who else is better to give it to them than our own sacrifice , blood sweat and tears from their own parents and family . Freedom isn’t free we all must now determine is it worth the sacrifice and the things we will lose. I say amen and amen it is…what say you

    1. Oregon The No Backbone state,where the men pee like puppys, and hide behind the devil,And say bad this bout good people that dropped there hole lives too come help you bunch of chicken shits [One word deleted by Elias Alias, editor]

      1. As a resident of the “Beaver State” I wish I could say you are full of it….unfortunately you are likely quite correct. I don’t know how you got the last few words of your post past Elias, but from my local experience that about sums it up!

        Unfortunately those who would condemn us using grammar and syntax identical to yours will not be marginalized for it, as we will. I say this not just to MIKE, but to all who would grace these pages with your thoughts….please make it coherent. The incompetent unloading of verbiage on these pages reminds me of the ‘heroes’ we see spraying magazine after magazine at the enemy, without once looking through their sights. If you can’t shoot, book some range time. I you can’t write or spell refrain from doing so without the aid of tools contained in the computer you use to make your post.

        We are losing the information war. Good men (and women) who are honest and have something to say, but say it badly, are the voices that will represent Liberty to the general public. We have lost control of the message, and in so doing have convinced the public that we are a bunch of clowns, fools, and criminals.

      2. My staff here assists in clearing comments for posting, because I can’t be awake 24/7. I do not get to read all comments sent in here. Had I seen that word it would have never made it onto this page. I full-well understand that many soldiers and cops speak with that kind of language, as I did when I was in the Marines, but I recall that even at Parris Island, where I was trained to speak that way, we were forbidden to use that kind of language whenever “civilians” were on base for graduation ceremonies. I can cuss just as well as any other serviceman, and it is not a curtailment of my “free speech” or of my “manhood” to honor the norm in social and cultural standards of my fellow man when I’m out in public.


      3. Dear Elias,

        My comment was not a criticism of the incredible work you do here. It was merely an observation that people (including me) discount ‘speech’ which is couched in these terms. I still lapse into “Marine speak” from time to time, but I try to avoid it when I am trying to educate or convince on a forum which is international and permanent.

        As you say, Salute!

        Semper Fi amigo.

      4. Your work here is likewise appreciated. The human voice is multifarious and ranges from the uttered curse to the forgiven blessed. We’re just trying to Keep It Clean.

        Knew that guy for about twenty-five years or thereabouts, but moved from Memphis about 25 years ago, ending up in Montana, so have not seen him play in public in a long, long time. He was pals with Jim Dickenson and Lee Baker, and was (prolly still is) a member in Mud Boy And The Neutrons, Memphis’ most famous underground band that nobody ever heard of except Eric Clapton, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Ringo Starr, John Prine, U-2, and a long list of names we all recognize. Mudboy And The Neutrons launched in the early 1960s. Dickenson is the band leader, and you’ll find him doing keyboards on the first two Rolling Stones albums. The band remains non-commercial, and publishes their albums in France instead of USA. Strictly underground, and strictly oozing talent like you heard at the link above. For Delta Blues lovers, this guy, Sid Selvidge, went to school under Furry Lewis and all the older Delta Bluesmen. He ended up doing video presentations for public tv with his interviews in SE Arkansas, SW Tennessee, and western Mississippi — from St. Louis to New Orleans. If you see a film documentary on Delta Blues on your tv, it’s most likely done by the guy who sings that song above, Keep It Clean. Lots of good fun with good music.
        Now back to present day woes….
        Elias Alias, editor

    pdf file of his charges.
    Thinking they have atm who they want, but I’d stay aware of my surroundings just the same.i do know they did charge pretty much all of the occupiers except two or three. So all of the 25-30 occupiers have been arrested and charged with similar, or same charges. Lying Pricks. That means they let them go saying they wouldn’t charge them, then turn around and do this.
    I do know it took them this two years to charge Cliven because they wanted ti to be when they had the upper hand I’m sure.
    If there are more charges, it will come in the weeks, probably month’s to follow. Maybe even as with Cliven years.

  17. There are a handful to a dozen state reps working to help the Bundy’s and the refuge folks. Check their fb pages and websites for latest and how to help. Michele Fiore, Shelly Shelton, John Moore are just a few. Also, there’s a fb support page for the Grant County Sheriff, Glen Palmer, who is a constitutional sheriff the feds are targeting now..

  18. George Washington said, “freedom and private property are inseparable”. The late and great Wayne Hage (just google his name) said…”Either you have the right to own private property, or…YOU ARE PROPERTY!” So, today ( 2-19-16) at there is an extremely great article by Mark Humphrey titled: The war on western working people. It is about the Bundy situation and what happened at Burns, Oregon..and a great amount of history that is relevant to the whole story.

    Here is a quote or two: “But however tactically flawed the rebellion, the cause for which these people fight is a just one”. “The reason that private property is constantly under assault by socialists and big government types is clear: it is the logical foundation of all freedom”. “Without private property, people perish, because they lack not only the means of subsistence but the means of any achievement whatsoever”

    This is a very long article…please print it out for study..and to share. He has a link to Ammon Bundy’s “essay” (?) on what all happened to the Hammonds, which I had not seen before. Look at the resume of the author of this, Mark Humphrey…very credible to have written this article. He gives his solutions…at the end. He made one error in stating that Harney county was in is in Oregon, right? direct website:

    .”The pen is mightier than the sword”.. (hopefully..and let us hope that “the truth shall ought”..(be known) with all of this situation….in the courtrooms… A call to constitutional attorneys….

    1. It appears that we can only stand ready to greet the midnight knock with determination to defend and die if necessary. Solzhenitsyn: ” For Russians, communism is a dead dog, while for many in the West, it is a living Lion.” But- we are not latter-day kulaks waiting to perish helplessly at the hands of this Red Terror; we are not unarmed-yet. Colonel Smith’s comments above are noteworthy; there is no organized opposition. The worst part of the Burns episode was the sadistic glee of the bolsheviks lusting for blood. “Yes, comrades, all property- and you- belong to the State”.

  19. In December of 2011 I published on the Oath Keeper Forum a suggestion for a peaceful and effective strategy to reign in the Federal Government. Simply and briefly, it used virtually every one of The Bill of Rights. It was called: The National Rally of the Fifty Sovereign States.

    There was always talk about a virtual invasion – in many cases armed – of Washington, D.C.. I strongly opposed this with simple strategic logic and historical examples. First, you do not muster all your troops in perceived enemy territory; especially where only the opposition is armed. Second, the example of The Bonus Army was used in an attempt to awaken people that the Federal Government had used abusive and deadly force previously. America was still a Constitutional Republic at that time. Imagine what this government will do.

    The National Rally of the Fifty Sovereign States was a very detailed strategy with numerous tactical pieces. Being a retired Program/Project Manager from IBM, I offered my services to implement all aspects once the plan was approved by the Oath Keeper Board of Directors. Daily/weekly Status Reports would be submitted.

    The strategy relied upon several things: 1) The Federal Government would be reigned in and corralled back into the parameters established by We The People in The U.S. Constitution 2) The tactical involvement of Americans would be on an individual State basis, with the strategic involvement being collective. 3) Virtually all Americans live within driving distance of their State Capitol. Therefore, the concerns of expense, time, travel, etc. are mitigated. 4) The rally at each State Capitol would be conducted simultaneously through a National Command & Control Center. 5) There would be local and national guest speakers, making effective use of audio/visual equipment. 6) The Governor and all State Legislators would be invited/required to attend and participate. Anyone refusing would be informed that on the following Monday Recall Petitions would be started, where the respective State Constitution allows. 7) The National Association of Governors (NAG) – at present, a worthless and ineffective organization – would then spearhead the seizure and reigning in of the Federal Government, under the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. 8) The Bill of Rights would be a centerpiece of the rally, even The Second Amendment, as security would be provided by state, county, local officials, with the assistance of armed Patriots. 9) Under no circumstances would anything other than a collective peaceful demonstration be allowed. 10) At the center of the detailed strategy and tactics was the Rule of Law.

    Again, this was in 2011 with a suggested implementation for the Summer of 2012 or 2013.

    Imagine if just The Three Percent of 350 million participated on a national basis, which would then involve a minimum of 10,500,000 Americans spread across The American Republic in its Fifty Sovereign States. This target being a minimum.

    The submitted plan died and was never heard from again.

    Rest in Peace.

    LoneStarHog (Hog)
    Oath Keeper Texas Life Member #140

  20. LoneStarHog, I would like to point out something. Your plan did NOT die and will NOT die. It is alive and well right now in my heart and mind. There is an organization started by G.Edward Griffin called FreedomForceInternational that has much similarity. Don’t be put off by the word ‘international’.
    You said …’it will never be heard from again.’ As long as your live don’t give up on your plan nor the capability of it taking off. O.K.’s , in their own way are aiming at similar results. You might consider contacting Mr. Griffin and sharing your thoughts. He is a remarkable, energetic man with much experience and vast contacts. I have conversed with him a couple of times. He IS accessible.
    I am going to copy your statement above and study it. You are NOT alone, nor are your IDEAS ‘never to be heard from again.’!!! As Elias Alias has pointed out many times, a great deal of this and every battle relies on our state of MIND, our SPIRIT empowered THOUGHT PROCESSES!!!
    You are an ASSET to ALL of us!!! Don’t back off!!! Remember, this is the first time that I have ever heard of your ‘plan’. You and ‘it’ are valuable!!! Don’t stop now!
    With warm regards,
    Robert D. Gubisch

    1. Robert D…Thank you!…Notice that this has garnered absolutely no comments/interest, except for your excellent reply. Instead, the typical response to this article is either *we gotta do something* or *time to lock and load* or time for *millions to head to Washington*, and blah, blah, blah. Nothing but the typical *hot-head* response to a situation and lacking any analytical/critical thinking.

      Instead of something like this national rally, we got involved in the Bundy Ranch fiasco, the Ferguson fiasco, the Malheur fiasco. This is not to demean those Patriots who supported or took a physical stand.

      I am just so sick and tired of *In-the-Box* thinking/tactics by those who portend to be *leaders*

      LoneStarHog (Hog)
      OK Texas Life Member #140

  21. Did you all miss something in your history class. Ask the WW1 vet how the march on DC went for them. Hey all they wanted was their back pay. And low and behold who do you think was there to shot them down. McCarther, Eisenhower, and Patton. So much for peaceful protest. More current events when national guardsmen shot down the peaceful protestors at Kentl State. Never bring Bravo Sierra to a gun fight. If you do let me know how that works out for you. If LaVoys death can’t rally the so called good pats then nothing will. O one other thing, where were the 3 percenters when the ambush took place. Just an observation. Thought they were there for security?????

  22. Since the resentencing of the Hammonds, leading to the protests and ultimately the occupation of the refuge, I’ve become much less ignorant to what is happening out west. The atrocities of the fed’s on citizens, the ambush and murder of LaVoy, the maiming and destruction of cattle, the burning of private property by BLM, BLM armed like military, pushing ranchers and loggers out, etc, etc, etc. I’m starting to get a wee bit upset.

    Anyhow, I’m reading some good posts on where we go from here and how we get there.

    I would like to add a little tid-bit for some psyop’s of our own to get people to understand the overreach of the federal government and it’s negative implications on the United States. Understanding that it’s easy to preach to the choir on our issues, we have to reach out to people that aren’t so like-minded as us to withering liberty.

    My point is that American’s aren’t familiar with the facts; ranging geographically from the north west with respect to the UraniumOne deal to the southwest with the Chinese solar farm. They don’t know of their steaks being cooked before the steer is even dead; ranchers being pushed out for future unfettered geothermal access and minerals, and BLM boundary revisions being secretly made to give land to adjoining corporations. And finally, the huge possibility of the federal government giving mineral rights on land the fed’s don’t own to countries we are indebted to for repayment of loans.

    These issues, especially environmental issues, will get the attention of even the farthest left democrat. I spoke with democrat friends that have never heard of these things, and now they understand what government overreach is.


    1. We must get ‘The People’ to understand how they are being enslaved.
      How DO we educate those lost in the Matrix that:
      Reid’s ENN Energy Group solar farm and Clinton’s Uranium One are real and involve theft of ‘public’ land and resources to the benefit of a few.
      The US Constitution defines only a very few actions of the federal government.
      The Bill of Rights are not rights that the government gave us but are rights that the government cannot take away.
      The federal government can own 10 miles square of land (DC) PLUS lands for forts, armories, ports and needful public buildings but only if allowed by the state the land lies within.
      The federal government can manage Territorial lands but not lands within a state. IE Oregon is a state, it is no longer the Oregon Territory.
      Ranchers (and farmers) are not Billionaires or necessarily rich. Though they might own 1000 acres (or more) of land and legally Purchased grazing and/or water rights, they still pay property taxes, purchase supplies and employ personnel.
      Ranchers (and farmers) do not negligently destroy the lands that they earn a living on. That would be self destructive.
      Ranchers (and farmers) provide the food we eat. Running them off the land could very well increase your grocery bill SIGNIFICANTLY or have you eating Soylent Green.
      The BLM burns exponentially more land than what the Hammond’s (defensively) did and refuse to reimburse property owners for property destroyed.
      If you disagree with the abuses they are doing, you might end up in Court, Prison or in a military style Ambush.

      The People must be awakened before the sheep / lemmings are led by the Pied Piper to their demise.

  23. Yes they will be as soon as the Bureau of Land Management is arrested for cruelty to animals when those cattle burned alive in the fire the Bureau set.

  24. i a man wish ALL of you and every single man and woman in the world to go to this is a judge who has blown the lid off EXACTLY what is going on…who it doing what…and more importantly showing you the solution to wipe all of this corruption (Governments and the legal society (BAR…also call themselves the law society).

    Then share this link with the world…

    There is a huge truth now coming forward that affects us all when you LEARN these crown courts have NO JURISDICTION OVER ANY MAN OR WOMAN! The common law is our remedy LEARN IT!

    OATH KEEPERS is a wonderful organization…but you are ALL lacking the most powerful weapon you all can use relentlessly and that is TRUTH…. IF YOU ALL READ Anna’s pdf’s on her site you will for the first time in your life have ENOURMOUS knowledge and learn of the true power we hold.


    1. The current resident did not start it, he has merely made it blatantly obvious. We can pray that a real POTUS reverses some of the abuses started 155 years ago.

  25. Here’s how I look at the past events at the Bundy Ranch.
    The District of Columbia is operating as “United States” (since 1871). They can’t operate outside of their designated area, not to exceed 10 square miles, unless the area was ceded by the state for specific authorized purposes. They didn’t belong at the Bundy Ranch. No “government” corporation has ever been delegated authority over the living people. That’s why they prosecute a fiction with a deceptively similar name to the human target. There is no law, except God’s universal law. All presentments are an offer to contract. Under the “Truth in Lending Act” we have 72 hours from receipt of the offered contract to reject or cancel the contract. They need our consent to proceed forward. I see no reason to consent to a detrimental situation. The whole idea is to deny the attacker jurisdiction. If we accept an attorney, we have granted them jurisdiction. I have never seen any requirement to accept a court summons or any other presentment. They can be rejected and served back to the presenter. The above is not legal advise. Do your own research and proceed at your own risk.

  26. I don’t doubt you’ve seen this:

    “The FBI alleges that Santilli participated with the occupiers rather than reporting on them. In their criminal complaint, the FBI alleges “The vest SANTILLI is wearing has a clearly visible Oath Keeper patch on front. ”

    From “”.

      1. The Judge said, “He didn’t like the content of Santilli’s videos. Most specifically, that he said he will die a free man.”

        This my friend is clearly a “Bill of Attainder.” Judges can’t just make up laws as they go along. He has essentially equated talking about Malheur, to an act of violence. Total BS!

  27. After reading many comments regarding the Bundy arrest I am astounded. Although I am new with Oath Keepers here we go with my two cents. Obviously, the FBI has a simple strategy and tatic. Expose the enemy’s soft belly. Then systematically dismantle the organization’s (patriot groups) by cutting off the heads of leadership. Secondarily, with enough patience they will destroy any patriot group by letting that group implode from fear and a unclear fragile fear. Those who have been in combat knew in most cases we did not have to be concerned with violating the rules of engagement. Furthermore,we had enough decent Intel to know we had a fair chance of not getting ambushed. In my humble opinion Oath Keepers must have solid Intel one to two steps ahead of our adversaries. Next we must be more cohesive and focused on the mission.Should we loose support of the locals we have created just another obstacle to overcome. The FUN and DHS have the delusional public on their side. In closing, I joined Oath Keepers because I saw and see the erosion of our freedom’s. I have read oath keepers litney of what we refuse to do based on the Oath. Of course those that wish to dismantle patriots know we must follow a very narrow path . In order to be effective we do not have the luxury nor the resources to pick our battles. Finally, if it was or is possible to constantly On a national stage to put both the FBI and SHE under constant pressure by exposing and unfair or illegal action they do maybe we can earn hearts and minds and thus gain a foothold of credibility. Right now we have been labeled as foolish groups that overreact to everything the government is doing thus the uneducated public does not see the value or see the threat we see to our freedom’s. Sorry so long,but as I said I am new to Oath Keepers and I am concerned we lack in many strategic and tactical areas,not to mention to much disagreement among rank and file as to the best approach to this mission. God bless you all and God bless our country.

    1. “Finally, if it was or is possible to constantly On a national stage to put both the FBI and SHE under constant pressure by exposing and unfair or illegal action they do maybe we can earn hearts and minds and thus gain a foothold of credibility.”

      This is the best step forward Doc. Know this, every Fed Agency breaks the law with impunity on a regular basis. In this case, the USFWS, and especially the BLM broke several laws. It needs to be exposed, so that the community is swayed to the cause, or at least as many as we can…..

  28. Here we go again. The feds keep getting more and more open with their unconstitutional, immoral, illegal actions against American citizens and all Oath Keepers can do is sit on their butts and TALK. Oh we know those nasty feds are at it again, but we must have reliable intel from reliable sources before we act. By the time any of you get around to actually acting, it will be all too late and just wasted BS. The feds will already have seized total control. What a bunch of morons.

  29. After laying and praying on the events at hand, I felt compelled to add on to my previous post. When you speak of Gandhi and Dr. King you fail to understand they took over by numbers. Gandhi had millions with an S. As Dr. King had the million man march. We on the other hand when Ret. general Vallaley and a cornel whose name eludes me at the moment tried to put a million man march together to march on DC got a few thousand.. We had a few brave souls at Burns. Maybe a dozen. Until we get the numbers we ain’t gonna get er done. I have as many questions as everyone else as how to achieve this goal, because if we don’t they will pick us up a dozen at a time never to be heard from again. NDAA ring any bells. Maybe the so called Patriot Act . The courts aren’t in my opinion any help as they are as corrupt as the government. Maybe the founders had it right. I respect their opinion far more than the so called legal minds at work today. Also let people know that Mr. Bundy never said he wouldn’t pay his grazing fee’s . He said on many occasions he would pay the state of Nevada, but not the feds. I will leave a link to a totally slanted op ed piece that was on Yahoo this morning. It made me so mad what this Uof O professor put down that I couldn’t leave a comment. Would have done more harm than good. Hope someone here takes this libtard to task.

  30. The Patriot’s that were at the Bundy Ranch ; When you make a stand their is alway’s going too be unintended consequences ; I don’t remember any government official’s saying that if you contributed any kind of resource’s to the Bundy’s or The Oathkeepers that these people would be considered co-conspirator’s ; That said ! Fear of the unknown always creeps in under these circumstances the only thing that one can do is to deal with the fear by being vigilant and using decernmeant and preparation their’s nothing else one can do . My biggest fear is concerning the Patriots’s still inside the Federal detention center’s and how we ensure that their Constitutional Right’s are protected . Their really piling on charge’s especially on Cleven Bundy and I fear for his health and want to see what we can do too get these Patriot’s out of these facilitie’s as a collective as soon as possible and keep on moving forward .

  31. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that Cliven Bundy was arrested. Yes the government did back down in 2014. But they also regrouped.Because that’s what they do. They put their lawyers to work building a case against those that stood up.For the US government time, money and lawyers are in unlimited supply.When they want you look out.

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