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Shawna Cox Was In The Truck With LaVoy Finicum

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Shawna Cox  photo courtesy Oregon Live dot com

Shawna Cox was in the vehicle driven by LaVoy Finicum. I will edit in link to original interview to give proper credit when I can track it down in this mountain of emails and links under which I’m buried at the moment, but for now, here is the basic interview with Shawna Cox.

[ot-video type=”youtube” url=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hTJkdwOWk”]


Editing in at 4:20 pm (MTN) Sunday January 31 2016. This appears to me presently to be the original source:

Rick Koerber and Free Capitalist Radio 

 

Rick Koerber and Free Capitalist Radio:

 

http://www.freecapitalist.com/2016/01/31/second-eyewitness-chronicling-the-tragic-ambush-and-murder-of-lavoy-finicum-video/


Editor’s Note: Oath Keepers is calling for a full and transparent investigation into the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum. Nothing is known until everything is known.

 

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Elias Alias

Editor in Chief for Oath Keepers; Unemployed poet; Lover of Nature and Nature's beauty. Slave to all cats. Reading interests include study of hidden history, classical literature. Concerned Constitutional American. Honorably discharged USMC Viet Nam Veteran. Founder, TheMentalMilitia.Net

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51 comments

  1. Elias. Saw the edited video that fits their narrative. But Stuart sent me the first hand look. What I saw in that first video goes hand in hand with the eye witness reports. They shot him in the back with what looked to me to be a shot gun and LaVoy fell face down in the snow with his hands over his head. The next version was no where near what I first saw. Now I’m no computer guy but how did the photo shop that to fit the narrative they gave at the press conference. I had to ask my neighbor who watched the first account was I drunk or dreaming she said no and she said she would go over as she had put it on face book , but guess what couldn’t get the original as it had been altered . Now I know we got guys in the group that are computer savvy. This stinks to HIGH HEAVEN. We need to not let this go by the way side. PLEASE
    Ken

    1. Yep. Thank you. Found it about twenty minutes ago and was double-checking. I was just about to edit that into the article. The Internet is fast, eh? 😉

      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

      1. If this “breaks the Internet ” that might get past the spin. There’s more articles right now than I can keep up with. Hopefully someone smarter than I will collect them in one place for those who want to get up to speed and those who need to validate what they remember. The civilian car that pulled up is supposedly the only reason the other occupants survived. Personally if I heard gunfire I would not have pulled up so close. I didn’t see any side roads on the video but since it was EDITED those of us not from the area wouldn’t know. Why would the first roadblock let a civilian vehicle through? And only one drone? Why do I doubt that? As for the current behavior in Burns – is it just mop-up or more? Sorry but nothing is making sense.

      2. Elias, If what I just heard and read about Shawna Cox son in law is true. What say thee. I’m sure the feds have a copy of our membership/ so do we just wait to be picked off a few at a time. Another fire or car wreck. Not trying to be paranoid but WTF. Hope some others might want to put their 2 cents worth on this. Because a fed case I had and won I am on the bad boy list. Knowing what these freaks are capable of doesn’t make me sleep real good these days

  2. Now what? Seriously, now what? If this is the case, and I believe it without any doubt, we are now in a country where assassins in law enforcement may or may not allow you a day in court! What precident does that set! They’re adding people to the terror watch list for conservative views. Now they are threat scoring your life. And you know that’s all about conservative views as well! Isn’t all this leading to a kill, or be killed America!

    1. I have to ask the above because, what if they had succeeded in killing them all. The women, the 18 year old girl, and all three guys? The two women, and especially the 18 year old girl. Look how pissed off we all are over LaVoy! That could really have started something! Now it looks like they are ramping up for the III%, and their car rally protest!.

      Say what you want, but the reality is, a group of people went to an empty building and exercised their American rights under the law of the United States Constitution, as well as, within the spirit of that other founding document, the Declaration of Independence! And they were in unconstitutional facilities, and on unconstitutionally managed land!

      1. Please let me know the next time you plan on not being home so that I can “go to an empty building and exercise my American rights.”

        1. Right now! Come on over! Troll! It’s incredible how little you know, and how little you have absorbed! You are the problem! You are unAmerican! Go read the Constitution! Go read the Declaration of Independence!

      2. And, I’ll add just one more thing here. All the so called “threats” rhetoric came with the war footing of the FBI, and cops, when they commandeered part of the hospital, increased the blood supply, brought in hundreds of soldiers, and staged at multiple bases, and airports! And it was predicated with ifs, and it was on both sides! But, in all this, and for the entire duration, there was only one side all tacked out, and prepped for war! Just one! And it wasn’t the American Patriots! They were the ones who were plainly dressed, and peaceful! And, they are the ones everyone calls the militants! I’m blown away, and destroyed by what I’ve seen, and what I am continuing to see!

  3. Hey folks, retired Marine here. Since retiring from my real job. I’ve been a software developer and 7 months ago I retired as the City of Henderson, Kentucky Network Administrator. I do not claim to be a graphics expert by any means. However, I think if several good quality still electronic (jpg, gif, tiff etc) images of Lavoy be hit. One could study those in Photoshop, Gimp or a like program and possible see the difference in pixels and possibly the “border” of an image that was inserted.

    Doing the Photoshop would explain the delay in authorities releasing the video.

    If I can do anything to help let me know.

    -Roger Lalik
    MSgt USMC
    Retired

  4. The video “Complete unedited video of joint FBI and OSP Operation 01/26/16” available on YouTube, and posted by the FBI themselves is obviously doctored. This is apparent to anyone who stops to think about what they are looking at; expertise is not required. The dead give-away is the lack of any muzzle flip or muzzle flash, especially from the weapon of the man emerging from the trees. His weapon is pointed in a direction that should surely show some flash and rise from the muzzle yet there is none whatsoever. Muzzle flash only lasts a small fraction of a second and the accompanying muzzle rise not much longer. All that is required to remove them is the removal of a frame or two here and there. There is also no discernible flip or flash from the “man” who steps completely away from cover into the lane plowed by Mr. Finicum’s vehicle. What can be seen, however, is just the slightest jump of movement back forward each time he shoots as his body and weapon come back into battery. Advancing the video frame by frame reveals this as well as the roughness where frames were removed. The key to watching this video properly is to tear your eyes away from from the pitiful sight of a falling patriot and focus tightly on the real criminals.
    All of this is not surprising as the FBI and it’s lab have a long history of making evidence disappear and of manufacturing evidence. Perhaps the most notable instance of this came out at the court trial of Randy Weaver who subsequently was awarded some three million dollars from the feds for murdering his family members. I heard from a courtroom witness (my wife who attended) that the judge was extremely angry when he found out the FBI Lab had manufactured evidence.

  5. Keep shooting an empty vehicle and hold for hours “detained ” not arrested? This audio hard for me to hear but I am wondering how many hours they waited in the freezing weather wondering if their dead bodies were going to be positioned back in the vehicle?

    1. We know where the truck is, and we will know if/when they try to move it. The Feds are walking on eggshells presently. It would be another massive dose of blowback, like the drone footage they released which has blown back in their face as America screams in horror at the obvious murder of LaVoy by enforcement agents. If that truck is moved the FBI loses whatever little credibility they still cling to, and they know that.

      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

      1. Thank you for being on top of this Elias Alias!

        Where is Stewart Rhodes? I find his absence disheartening.

        1. Stewart has been working diligently on this with a lot of people who are involved in various aspects of the situation. I have been privy to some of his thinking, and it is excellent. Should not be too much longer before he issues his official statement. As you would expect, there are many inter-relating situations and conditions to be considered, each of which must be covered before statements are made. I firmly believe that when he posts you will be pleased.
          Thanks for your support!
          Salute!
          Elias Alias, editor

  6. I wonder what the status of Shawna’s wedding ring, VIDEO, and other personal items mentioned. Since she wasn’t arrested, shouldn’t all of her personal items that were taken have been returned to her upon her release from being “detained?”

    1. Brave woman. God bless and keep her. Unbelievable that she lost her son-in-law? Did I hear that right?? Unbelievable

      1. DCG – I believe I heard that too. According to Shawna in the radio interview (above), after being released from detainment, Shawna was told to have any/all firearms removed from her home. Her husband reportedly made arrangements for them to be relocated to the daughter and son-in-law’s barn. Sometime shortly thereafter, the barn caught fire, killing the son-in-law and destroying the firearms (I assume).

        Don’t take my word for it. Hear it more precisely from the source herself:
        http://www.gsradio.net/shows/commonsenseshow/
        Once at the site , click on “Hr 3” at 1/31/16.

  7. I’m gonna be the guy that says it. I have some issues with Ms Cox and her accounts. I have issues ith the fact that the cartel riddled the car with hundreds of bullets, and yet nobody died. I have issues with Ryan Bundy being shot in the shoulder, and getting out of a vehicle that was being shot at, but they didn’t kill him. Somehow after they riddled Ms Cox’s car with hundreds of bullets, she had the insight to watch Lavoy being shot instead of keeping her head down. I’m not buying it.

    This whole thing has stunk to me from the beginning. I think that Ammon, Ryan Bundy, Ryan Payne, and the others were coopted by the cartel after Bunkerville. I think that Lavoy Fincum was a true patriot who was sold out by these conspirators. I think that they set this man up to die. But moreso, I think that the whole wildlife refuge takeover was a cartel operation to smoke out some patriots. Tell me that I am wrong.

    Why were none of the Bundys or his top bodyguards killed? The tactics used by these men were so inept, that it is impossible to think anything else. Why the hell would you leave your security perimeter? Then you release a statement urging the remaining patriots to surrender? REALLY? No. Not buying it. The whole thing was a psyop from day one. Remember, some of these guys are former military. They are supposed to understand protective tactics. They coincidentally broke a lot of rules which tells me that they were either conspirators or extremely incompetant. After Bunkerville, I lean highly towards conspirators.

    Trust no person who asks you to defend anything that is not yours. Your family, your home, your land. Trust no person who professes violence. Trust nobody.

    The freedom movement was never meant to be a large act. It was meant to be many individual acts that equal one large act. The Berlin Wall fell when one guard stopped arresting people. Soon a second and then a third, and then a snowball effect. Oregon will not change by a Bundy style plan. Oregonians understand this. It starts with one resolute rancher standing his ground, then a second, then a third. No fanfare, no grandeur. Just individual acts of bravery that go noticed by our friends and neighbors who understand that we are not crazed gun toting anti government terrorists. No more no less.

    1. Trust no one, and question everything. Thank you for your comment.

      I’m sorry I don’t have time to write a descriptive scenario for you which might help you sort things out. Truly I regret that. Perhaps in the next few days you’ll see enough conclusive, credible material to help you decide how you may want to interpret her commentary. I believe the woman was in the middle of a cyclone of terror just like a danged firefight in a warzone, and I doubt she has had any debriefing for her troubled emotional states or mental states. I, for one, do believe and value her interview, while at the same time allowing for unconscious discrepancies which may be included in her statements, similar to what we could call “the fog of war”. She has been stunned much more deeply than even she can afford to admit right now, but she is bravely recounting the event as truthfully as she can, and I will not question her veracity or the intent in her heart. I was in Viet Nam with the Marines and have seen many good men freaked right out of their everlovin’ minds when the shit was heavy in the air on all sides and death howled like thunder. I think Shawna has given us a powerful tool, a needed tool, for the work we’re facing in coming days. God bless that woman. And God bless you for knowing instinctively that we must question everything, all the time. We’ll get through this just fine, and the damned government will take a huge black eye over their sinful abuse of the people’s power. Shawna’s statements will help cement that.

      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

  8. Post my friggin comments …where is Blaine Cooper????? Debriefed and moved into Protective custody cause his job as a fed is over….. Why wasn’t he arrested like the others.. He’s a fed guys wake the friggin chicken up Apple eaters.. Post my comment thank you ask the tough questions. It’s funny how NO ONE I MEAN NO ONE. Has asked where is mr . Blainard cooooooper poooo per … [Three incoherent sentences deleted by Elias Alias, editor] Post it baby…

    1. Go smoke a joint and you’ll feel better. For your information, people with clearer heads than yours are already, and have been for some time, *interested* in Mr. Cooper’s status as a human being. Your accusations, worded in your pure-genius-style, do no justice to the reality behind your garble. Other minds, perhaps better minds, are miles ahead of you.
      If you want more of your stuff posted here, try to be considerate for sensitive readers who may lose brain-cell synapses trying to leap from one of your paranoid presumptions to another. Just chill, right? Thanks Bro.

      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

    2. Arizona had issued a “10-51” on both he and his wife as “felon(s) with weapons and to stop and search.” DPS stated they were both headed back to Phoenix to pick up their children. The BOLO (ATL) was broadcasted for approximately 3 days throughout Arizona.

      Maybe the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing in government, and considering there were other known undercover types, it remains to be seen if the Coopers either booked-out just in time, or just a coincidence.

  9. I don’t claim to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but with what I have seen and listened to the interviews with the two female passengers of lavoy’s truck. My thinking is leading me this way. And I do agree more info is needed, like body cam videos.

    I listened to an interview tonight with Mrs. Cox. While I DO NOT doubt a word she has said, I am offering this up. Lavoy was the intended target for many reasons but the biggest is he said he wouldn’t go to jail. So that gave the feds the ammo they needed to make an example. Both Ms Sharp & Ms. Cox said that there was continued gun fire for 5 to 10 minutes into the truck while everyone was still inside it ( except Lavoy). Ryan Bundy received a shoulder wound and no one else was hit after all those rounds. Ms. Cox said in her interview tonight that after they all got out of the vehicle and were restrained the agents opened fire on the truck for quite awhile, an empty truck…

    My thinking is psy-op to an extent to warn the public that they will massacre anyone who defies them. They wanted to scare and confuse the occupants to a degree that they couldn’t tell if the truck was being hit by lethal or non lethal rounds. After they were out of the vehicle they riddled it so when the public sees it that it will put the fear of God into us. Lavoy was the sacrificial lamb to put a numbing effect on us all.

    Do my thoughts have any merit???

    1. The Feds could’ve shot up Lavoy’s truck with fragmentation ammo (same ammo used by Air Marshals) for affect. That would explain why no one was killed inside the truck.

  10. Elias….I cant stop watching the video. I keep picking it apart in an effort to come up with a verdict of murder. What I have come up with is the fact that we need audio. As far a visual goes, All I can see with my eyes is that Lavoy went for his gun. I have to admit that we need far more than that soundless video. My question is…Were there body cams present or any other form of video..???
    I would like to recant any past statements on this site. I believe you are a good and just man and I cannot discount anything you have to say on this matter. I agree that there is a need for more evidence. We need to see the vehicle. We need to see more video. I cant believe that the FBI has a drone that cannot record audio when you can buy one for a few hundred bucks at any department store that can record audio and with a much better video quality. I agree…Something stinks here.
    I am officially recanting any and all previous statements on this matter and want to go on record as demanding a full non government investigation of this shooting.
    Best regards to you and opey and Black Alias.

    1. Well, I salute your open-mindedness. Thank you for that. I agree that what we’ve been given by FBI to this point is insufficient info, and much more is needed.

      Stewart was pointing out to me tonight on the phone that I should add a notice below some of the articles on our site, a notice of Oath Keepers intent, as a sort of preview to Stewart’s upcoming statement for an official Oath Keepers position. I came up with this one, and have edited it in under a couple of articles. It is important that this message over-ride all the rhetoric which has erupted from the general angst and horror of what has happened. I myself have been guilty of loose rhetoric in my choice of words at times. Indignation took me at times, and I’m not in a position to let indiscretion take charge of my work. So this is what I came up with and am vowing to myself to live up to this very basic concept —

      Editor’s Note: Oath Keepers is calling for a full and transparent investigation into the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum. Nothing is known until everything is known.

      Stewart will be calling for a transparent inquiry provided by authorities to the American people with full disclosure of a number of interests, such as the truck with the bullet holes, the coroner’s report, and other interests which Stewart will include in his statement. Should the government fail to fully disclose requested information to the public, then the government loses credibility. Ground-zero recording devices holding visual and audio data, such as dash-cams or helmet/body cams, must be make public.

      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

      1. I would hope to see Sheriff Mack and Stewart Rhodes, along with selected Oath Keeper/CSPOA investigators, former military and/or present to form a team and get as much information and evidence. If the feds and Gov Kate Brown, of whom ordered the AMBUSH, are not cooperative, then all Americans need to know this.

        Sam Bushman (The Round Table Radio) stated on The Power Hour Radio Show this morning, stated: the m.o. by the FBI/ATF is to always take-out the leader, as they did when they took-out MLK in Memphis, Vicky Weaver (Ruby Ridge) while she was standing on her porch holding her baby and now Lavoy of whom was viewed as the main person because of his direct conflicts with the government over land rights. I’m sure they were hoping for Ammon to step out of that truck…

        I have a feeling…the FBI, in this case, were showing more restraint than what Governor Kate Brown showed, thus…it was the Oregon State Police that coordinated the ambush. She sits on the Land Conservation Board (BLM) and could have been pressured by the BLM (Washington) to “go for it.”

        They picked the best location along the highway, in two locations, and both locations had snipers and a helicopter.

        The more we learn, the more the federal government and the state need to provide officer camera footage (Oregon State Police) and methods used and what the written plans were.

        THEY work for the American people, and don’t expect Lynch (DoJ) to offer any help in this independent investigation. It is the American people’s responsibility to get to the bottom of this needless murder.

        The video has no sound, therefore….we need to know if Lavoy was shot from behind when his hands were raised, causing him to reach (allegedly) for a weapon, or a reaction to the fired shot.

      2. A blunt venting and expression based upon available information and assessment.

        Your quote, Elias:

        “Stewart will be calling for a transparent inquiry provided by authorities to the American people with full disclosure of a number of interests, such as the truck with the bullet holes, the coroner’s report, and other interests which Stewart will include in his statement. Should the government fail to fully disclose requested information to the public, then the government loses credibility. Ground-zero recording devices holding visual and audio data, such as dash-cams or helmet/body cams, must be make public. ”

        Really? That is it? And if they fail to comply with this really,really scary demand for disclosure, “the government loses credibility”….hilarious!

        Psst….government never HAD any credibility, nor is there any sane expectation of a full-accounting, honest disclosure, or accountability.

        Is Mr.Rhodes and are Oath Keepers serious?

        Hell, we all demand that, but the fact is that only an ignoramus would believe or expect that a full, honest and open release and a fair assessment of the facts will be forthcoming.

        Hello…this is government vs. Patriots and Liberty advocates. There wiil be no fairness, honesty, accountability or integrity involved in any of this. Govt has long ago declared that people like LaVoy, the Bundy’s and Oath Keepers are extremists and potential or actual domestic terrorists and, somehow, Mr. Rhodes and Oath Keepers are going to call on government to investigate itself and subsequently be honest and open in the facts and their stated results.

        Unbelievable.

        There is ALWAYS propaganda, suppression, tampering or destruction of evidence and doctored electronics and accounts in these scenarios and in other examples of government involvement in such a situation resulting in the death of someone who fits their categorization of a domestic terrorist or extremist.

        NOTHING govt releases should be taken as truth., in ANY instance or in any case or scenario.

        All the events and time that have passed and occurred in this saga have largely been met with silence from ‘official’ Oath Keepers and now, after members have been grumpling and questioning why no statement at all, even a stop-gap statement that Oath Keepers is gathering information prior to any official release…THIS is going to be the result?

        I will, of course, await what is written to see if it tracks with my expectations and will then fully determine my response and any decision on my support-status, but coupled with the ‘hands-off’ from the start, the abandonment of even moral support and leaving them to their own devices, this blurb/warning order does not portend to be any different and if it tracks like it seems, will be directly in-line with the previous ‘non-stance/non-support’.

        Eagerly awaiting the other shoe dropping, but at its bottom-line, me, this organization and the ‘patriot movement’ in general allowed the ‘people involved’ and the ‘initial approach’ taken to be the excuse for abandoning these men and abandoning the righteous core-issues that were thrust upon all of us and upon the national attention.

        The core-issues and the national attention could have been supported openly and various ‘organizations’ could have actively and openly worked toward the actual occupation ending differently and at the same time, maintaing and enhancing the exposure of the dirty-underbelly and evil actions and intent of government, related to this particular land-grab and the horrific persecution of the Hammonds and the whole fed-gov land tyranny and the international sell-offs that are an integral part of the larger globalist agenda.

        Everyone in the general populous can now go back to sleep across ‘new america’ because your staunch and intrepid government has once again thwarted a domestic extremist plot….this is the take-away and that take-away can be laid at all of our feet, mine included.

        1. Yours is the best post I have seen on this site. Thank you for saying this…it is what I have been thinking for some time. The horrific persecution of the Hammonds, as well as LaVoy’s death, lay heavy on my heart. The totalitarians won EVERYTHING and Liberty got NOTHING out of this. While everybody is now obsessing about the videos and the interviews and theories about the ambush, the elder Mr. Hammond is still a political prisoner, spending his last years in a cell 800 miles from his family. And the terrorist feds are now sure they are free to do the same to whomever they choose to make an example of next. The weakness and equivocating and making of “statements” will cost us all heavily in the future.

  11. Thank you Mr Alias.. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I do believe there is more here than what we have been shown. I simply do not trust our government to give the full picture and justly so. I think you would agree.
    I hope that we are able to point out to the public that we are in the right but given the FACT that the public is influenced by main stream media propaganda and seem to be brain dead, I am not holding out that they will see the light and make an unbiased judgment. Very cloudy times we live in. The fact that Lavoy is dead pains me to say the least. I judge him to be a good man given the interviews we have all seen. There is one FACT also….. Our side has pleaded extensively for a redress of grievences in this matter and were met with a resounding “NO” from club fed. The government is absolutely in the wrong constitutionally and that cannot be allowed to continue if we the people are to have our constitutional republic as set forth by our honorable founding fathers.

  12. When you hear faceless bureaucrat on the new they are covering for the establishment. We need to identify the bad actors and make them famous (in a bad way). They get away with their actions using anonymity.

  13. After reviewing the video in thermal, I’m convinced that Lavoy was never shot. There was no blood splatter nor did the thermal show any heated muzzle flash from any of the “shooters'” weapons. No blood in the snow as he lays there either.

    Again, this whole thing stinks. There are too many crazy variables that just don’t add up. I’m gonna keep going with the theory that the Bundys are working with the feds to orchestrate whatever their narrative on this is. Perhaps it is gun control, or a crackdown on patriots or militias. I’m not really sure. The moment that the Hammond family told them not to come, and they showed up with armed militias to take over an out of the way wildlife refuge, most of us here began to seriously question the whole thing. Now there’s thermal video with a man being “shot” with no muzzle flash, thermal bullet impacts, exit wounds, blood splatter or blood pooling.

    Perhaps they are going back to the clinton playbook and trying to set up the next huge false flag to blame it on patriots. Perhaps some patsy is waiting in the wings to be set up. But most people should be pretty skeptical right now. And that’s without even mentioning blaine cooper and pete santilli. Where are they?

    1. One clue Smitty that you are way off course…..he was probably wearing thermal underwear, a t-shirt, a flannel shirt, plus his jacket. And you expect to see blood splatter? Also….that video does not appear to be thermal capable and to overlay thermal imaging is not going to give a true thermal image. The sniper has his weapon extended towards his back and Lavoy either feels the hit and reacts, with a cross draw of his weapon (which we need to know if that his how he carried his weapon) with his right hand reach to his left.

      Any blood pooling would be soaked up within his clothing.

      As far as your theory the Bundy’s set the whole thing up as government operatives is about as naïve as the moon landing was a fake.

      1. If you have absolute faih in Ammon Bundy not being an operative, and this whole thing not being a hoax, then I’m the one who’s not naive.

  14. Why is no one questioning why the guy who came out of woods behind LaVoy had what appeared to
    be a small hand weapon of some kind? Considering they all use rifles. And fired it in a cross fire direction? Could it have been a taser?

  15. THANKS for the excellent article and interview! Is there a transcript of the interview? The audio was not very comprehensible at all on my machine, thanks.

    1. I posted yesterday that I believe it’s a taser also. Look at his actions; he runs out with his arm way to far extended for a handgun. He fires at LaVoy without any apparent recoil using a one hand hold while walking through deep snow and then uses right hand to draw his handgun. And then LaVoy was shot in cold blood, while stunned and conscious on the ground.

  16. Here is a thought:

    There is obviously no dashcam video of the shooting(after the breach of the barricade) due to the positioning of the vehicles, but there will be audio. Presumably, there will be body cam from at least the state troopers. The body is/will be turned over to the family for their own inspection or autopsy. The truck will be given to the family after the investigation, per law.

    This will all be very well documented. What is altered or what is not put in the public domain will be up for debate, but the truck and body will at some point be available for inspection. Now if the feds released the worst video with no audio to get the militia to react, to bring out the statements, to incite people to take action that can’t easily be pulled back, knowing they had all the evidence; were to simply explain later that after further investigation they were able to release everything.

    Per Lavoy’s statements, his shoulder holster in the interview day’s earlier, and that picture perfect draw attempt(if it wasn’t intentional it still looked like a smooth, muscle memory move). What if how they said it went down is true, explaining the lack of other casualties? What if they are delaying the simple answers, making it convoluted on purpose? Especially if the hotter heads prevailed and took action, what then?

    If they turn out to be able to present irrefutable evidence(possible at this point), what do they have to gain by releasing all of this, then discrediting any who made a stand based on a untrue martyr story, at the same time extinguishing the true martyr story. How do you make someone you call a paranoid, crazy look paranoid and crazy to the American people this would be one way. Maybe cap a few that take action, before you show you were telling the truth about something that no longer matters.

    Get them to talk about it in a narrative that is not the narrative you fear, then destroy that narrative and never go back to the core issue. It becomes about a felony stop shooting that a “bunch of them right wingers” got wrong and committed crimes because of. Not a cowboys last stand(the nearly lost narrative).I’m just saying there are a lot of theories out there and this seems pretty plausible, and the most damaging. This would also take the least amount of coordination(something the feds don’t do well) as it fits FBI policy and would play out easily in their favor.

  17. Did not post the first time, but I saved it. Thinking the moderator will catch any duplicates:

    There is obviously no dashcam video of the shooting(after the breach of the barricade) due to the positioning of the vehicles, but there will be audio. Presumably, there will be body cam from at least the state troopers. The body is/will be turned over to the family for their own inspection or autopsy. The truck will be given to the family after the investigation, per law.

    This will all be very well documented. What is altered or what is not put in the public domain will be up for debate, but the truck and body will at some point be available for inspection. Now if the feds released the worst video with no audio to get the militia to react, to bring out the statements, to incite people to take action that can’t easily be pulled back, knowing they had all the evidence; were to simply explain later that after further investigation they were able to release everything.

    Per Lavoy’s statements, his shoulder holster in the interview day’s earlier, and that picture perfect draw attempt(if it wasn’t intentional it still looked like a smooth, muscle memory move). What if how they said it went down is true, explaining the lack of other casualties? What if they are delaying the simple answers, making it convoluted on purpose? Especially if the hotter heads prevailed and took action, what then?

    If they turn out to be able to present irrefutable evidence(possible at this point), what do they have to gain by releasing all of this, then discrediting any who made a stand based on a untrue martyr story, at the same time extinguishing the true martyr story. How do you make someone you call a paranoid, crazy look paranoid and crazy to the American people this would be one way. Maybe cap a few that take action, before you show you were telling the truth about something that no longer matters.

    Get them to talk about it in a narrative that is not the narrative you fear, then destroy that narrative and never go back to the core issue. It becomes about a felony stop shooting that a “bunch of them right wingers” got wrong and committed crimes because of. Not a cowboys last stand(the nearly lost narrative).I’m just saying there are a lot of theories out there and this seems pretty plausible, and the most damaging. This would also take the least amount of coordination(something the feds don’t do well) as it fits FBI policy and would play out easily in their favor. Looking close at that video, the officer with a not gun shaped object in his left appears to reach for his hip with his right hand at the time of the shooting. This would explain the quick turnaround, if a taser hit his coat from a running man, but did not penetrate. Look again in slow mo. This, along with the other non lethal would make this a huge PR win for them if any conclusion is made before the family even released the autopsy.

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