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Ammon Bundy – Martyr or Revolutionary?

Ammon Bundy

by Shorty Dawkins

Ammon Bundy, and some cohorts, have occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, near Burns, Oregon. They have vowed to stay there for years, if necessary. In a video Ammon posted on his Facebook page, he has put out a national call for help. In that video, he is, (to put it honestly), calling for a revolution.

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With Ammon are two of his brothers, and what can be described as a group of unthinking hotheads. Also with them is a man many suspect, (including myself), of being an agent provocateur, Ryan Payne.

Oath Keepers, Mike Vanderboegh (of the Three Percenters), and other groups are condemning this action by Ammon and his cohorts. Why? Because it serves no purpose that benefits the Liberty Movement. On the contrary, it harms the Movement. Ammon’s group has become the aggressors, and, by doing so, loses the moral high ground.

At Lexington and Concord, the Minute Men were defending, not aggressing, which rallied their fellow countrymen to their cause. The British were intent on seizing the stores of munitions in Concord, and to grab John Hancock and Sam Adams, with the intent of sending them to England to be tried. Before Lexington and Concord, the Colonists had suffered under a long train of abuses, which were spelled out in the Declaration of Independence. Men are willing to suffer abuses, rather than rebel, but only up to a point. Eventually, the burden of the abuses becomes too great, at which point the rebellion is inevitable.

No doubt for Ammon, the burden of abuses has become unbearable. His family has fought the BLM for years. The Malheur Wildlife Center is run by the BLM. But seizing it serves no purpose, other than as a vehicle for Ammon to vent his anger for the BLM. It is not, yet, ready to become today’s Lexington and Concord. If it becomes another Waco, it is possible to ignite some Patriots, but if it does become another Waco, it will be because Ammon and his cohorts are killed.

In Ammon’s video he talks of being willing to give his life. For Ammon, it is time for the revolution to begin, or to potentially die a martyr. He has decided to make his stand. As he says in his video, we all must make our own decisions. I will not join Ammon. It serves no useful purpose. It is the wrong action at the wrong time. There will come a time when the time is right, but it is not now. It may come sooner than we expect, but it is not now.


Shorty Dawkins


  1. I reckon it’s time for free American patriots to leave for a better life in a less restrictive country. Somalia or Libya might not be so bad. The locals there aren’t organized so taking over would be a cinch for a well organized militia. If I weren’t so old, I’d go, too. But need my Social Security check and Medicare.

    1. “I reckon it’s time for free American patriots to leave…”

      What part of New World Order do you not understand? It is the same old “rule the world” gig that has been ongoing for centuries.

      There is no other place you can take a stand.

      That said, I still disagree with what the Bundy’s and the “Militia” are doing, and I do believe that they have federal provocateurs steering the way or why else take a “federal” building?

      But I do not believe that they must die for the “cause”. We need to figure a way to stop this because the US Constitution does NOT say that any general (federal) government agency may be used to enforce the laws of our land. It is in writing, and it is clear that those that serve within the general government ARE REQUIRED to use the Militia to enforvce the alws of our land.

      Who are the Militia? “We the People of the United States are. But who does the US Constitution REQUIRE to:
      — Enforce the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution,
      — Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
      — Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
      — “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”?

      The Second Amendmnet says who within the Militia has that LAWFUL authority and the FULL backing of the US Constitution (again, it is in writing).

      Second Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

      So what does well regulated mean? It is those who are trained to the same standards that the congress requires the US military is trained – veterans.

      So is this the way the lord wants the well regulated to step up and offer their services, paid of course, to do their Constitutionally assigned duty? To stop this unlawful bloodshed that will probably happen if the unlawful “law enforcement” does that duty?

      Any ideas anyone?

    2. Oath Keeper here in the Pacific Northwest . We are a liberty-loving family and we are NOT going anywhere!

  2. You’re wrong about this. The Fed land grabs have been tyrannical since Clinton. Bush gave us DHS and the Patriot Act/NDAA, and since Obama? Our Fed Gov has fully declared War on every citizen. BLM “managers” quit managing land and began managing theft a long time ago. They are now The Bureau of Land Mafia……if you guys are going to allow the Hammonds to be charged with “Terrorism”…..pack a lunch because you’re next on the LIST.

    1. Actually, Grammie, Fed land grabs started a long time before Clinton and Bush. I was the Range Task Force Leader at the University of Arizona in the early 80’s when the “Sagebrush Rebellion” was in full swing. Discrediting the FedGov Mafia is great fun.

      I would pose a question for Shorty. Exactly what is it going to take for it to be the “right time?”

      The government of the uSSA incarcerates a higher percentage of its “subjects” than any other nation on earth. Animals have right but people don’t. Fags can get married. There is a full blown race war raging in the cities. It has squandered zillions of Federal Reserve Notes and corrupted at least 3 governments with its never designed to be won, “war on drugs.” It’s meddlesome foreign policy has resulted in the whole world hating us. Cops murder people with impunity. It conducts massive spy operations against its own people. And I could go on and on and on. So, what will it take to be “time.”

      Our ancestors are not rolling in their graves. They are THRASHING.

      1. Gunny 419,
        “I would pose a question for Shorty. Exactly what is it going to take for it to be the “right time?”

        It will be obvious. It will be just. It will occur because it must. Not because a bunch of unthinking hotheads are too eager to start a revolution. Do you need me to tell you? Why?


      2. I’ve been in a fight with state and federal agencies for 20 years just to put in a road to use the land that has been in my family for over 80 years. It has cost over $100k to jump through one ridiculous hoop after another, only for the government to make up new ones as they go along. It is clear they will not be happy until we give up, the property goes into foreclosure, and they take it over as part of their Agenda 21 plans. The AG21 map clearly shows that my land is in a “limited human contact” area. How do we fight back to stop the abuse unless we openly defy them? We can’t use the courts because they are largely corrupt and we have limited resources, whereas the government’s resources are unlimited (at OUR expense!). If we could make individual govt. agents personally liable for their actions things may be different, but they are pretty much immune from the consequences of their actions. The more they get away with, the worse they get. I believe we cannot wait any longer. We MUST make a stand. As to violence, we can NEVER start it, but we must meet force with greater force and not back down.

      3. “It will be obvious”.
        “It will be just”.
        “It will occur because it must”.
        Not because a bunch of unthinking hotheads are too eager to start a revolution.

        BUT….please deal with the stark reality that each one of us will most certainly, “ALL be called”…. “a bunch of unthinking hotheads”if we “EVER do act “against an already wildly out of control constitution usurping tyrannical Federal Leviathan.

        FACT: we already presently have “a wildly out of control constitution usurping tyrannical Federal Leviathan” (past tense)..Already willing to burn out ranchers and miners while their families still occupy the buildings that they set ablaze. NONE of those criminal BLM minions are presently setting in a Federal prison cell for their usurpation’s and attempted murders of civilians.

        I am not condoning the singular un-coordinated action of Ammon Bundy, but his impassioned cause is most certainly not completely unjust.
        I am also concerned that Oath Keepers is in no-way trained, equipped, or in any way ready to successfully respond to the BLM or the FBI with enough legal preparedness and enough brute force to ever be taken seriously enough by Leviathan, to accomplish anything progress oriented and permanent. Could we get through to the local Sheriff and State legislators to provide necessary protections for us against Leviathan if they choose to shoot first or make arrests?? Are we ready (prepared) on any level?

        “Silence in the face of tyranny is your consent to that tyranny”

  3. The Hammond’s have been subjected to “Big Government” tactics and should be supported. Ammon Bundy is an instigator who is going to get people killed! He is NOT a spokesman for the Patriot Movement! He is only a spokesman for his own evil doings. All Constitutional groups should make a wide path around this guy and do it very quickly-Uncle Sam is getting reading to lower the hammer on this dude big time.

    1. And who is a “spokesman”? Last I checked, Liberty isn’t supposed to be a NGO or business or bureaucracy that has corporate officers and spokespeople. Just because Ammon doesn’t draw a paycheck from Liberty Movement Inc., go on the lecture circuit, and or has a new book to hoc every few months does not disqualify him from telling it like it is.

  4. **3% of Idaho Statement**

    Topic: Malheur Wildlife Refuge Siege

    On January 2, 2016, various patriot organizations under the direction of the Oregon 3% and associated groups organized a peaceful rally in Burns, Oregon in a show of support for the Hammonds Family and the community of Harney County. The immediate aims of this peaceful protest were to voice dissent of the wrongful prosecution of the Hammonds, the family’s subsequent decision to report to prison for federal charges, and for the refusal of the Sherriff to protect and support the citizens of Harney County. Following the peaceful protest, members of militias and individuals voiced their decision to “take a hard stand” which would be to seize a Federal National Wildlife Refuge building in Malheur County, and succeeded in doing so.

    Unbeknownst to the Idaho 3%, Oregon 3%, it’s leaders, associations, rally participants, or the citizens of Harney County; these actions were premeditated and carried out by a small group of persons who chose to carry out this takeover after the rally. The 3% of Idaho, 3% of Oregon, The Oregon Constitutional Guard, and PPN organizations in no way condone nor support these actions. They do not mirror our vision, mission statement, or views in regards to upholding the Constitution, The Rule of Law, or Due Process.

    During the weeks leading up to the rally, none of the aforementioned groups made any Calls to Arms to it’s members, nor planned or advocated for any form of armed uprising. The citizens of Harney County remain in solidarity with the aforementioned groups, as well as support our efforts to remain peaceful in our attempt to exercise the 1st Amendment Right. For the time being, we will remain in Harney County to continue to show our support for the Hammonds, and the community. We will continue to release updates and information as it is available. We want to personally thank the citizens of Harney County and Burns for their hospitality and trust.

    III% of Idaho

  5. Been too late for a successful revolution. Preservation and guerrilla warfare will occur with a tenfold amount of propaganda aimed towards the sheeple. Hmm, sounds familiar with variances.

  6. Everyone is concerned about the rouge takeover of a federal building while the real issue is being ignored. An American citizen was tried as a terrorist for a domestic crime. If this can be done to a rancher and is allowed to stand none of us are safe. This may be a battle worth fighting.

    We are all terrorist now.

    1. Smitty – Correctomundo! A US Citizen has been named, by our Federal Gov., a “Terrorist” (for burning off a field the same way millions of other farmers do annually …or used to before the government shut down their farms (one-by-one). The Feds are also stating, for the official record, that most if not all veterans are “potential terrorists” (prolly cuz we know how to charge an AK) AND NOW …..IF Obama can somehow figure out a way to get THESE people to launch ANY type of “whatever-ya-wanna-call-it” – Then Obama will finally have all the reason he wishes to then attempt to declare Martial Law (and remember that Martial Law is NOT Constitutional so all of us must “flat refuse” to abide by any of it….no matter how hard they hit you). It would be at THAT point (for me; meaning, the declaration of Martial Law) that will cause me to take up my Arms and get down to biz). Well ….there are a few others reasons too but best left unsaid. Everyone must remember THEY are seeking to disarm every last able-bodied man in the USA (the opposite of what The Constitution and Amendments state very clearly). Therefore, everyone MUST remember that THEIR bottom line is to have us ‘six-feet-under’ (we are “infidels” and Allah (for some reason) has suddenly commanded that we must all die …actually, “the towelheads” decided this due to all the bs OUR LEADERS have brought down upon THEIR nations (in the name of control plus padding their wallets on the way). NOW, the reason the Saudi’s were never attacked has come out …except with a twist that DC may (or may NOT have) expected.
      Truth be known, as American citizens we have far more ppl who want us dead right now than alive. Our government has gone about as far as it can go with this bs – – and they realize it but God-forbid they ‘own up to what they’ve really been doing’.
      So, that means WE THE PEOPLE shall being “paying in blood” (in the near or distant future, or both) …and THIS hasn’t really gotten started yet. We are about to “step in it” and most expect “it” to last a full decade or more. (Takes a long time to kill off that many people …..Nam took one-million warriors to their grave over ‘about a decade’ – – ended May of 75 right)?
      I strongly recommend that ALL “like-minded” patriots pay extreme attention to “the propaganda” that FOX CNN MNBC MABC MCBS and every other lying media outlet has to say …then apply logic to it …for the purpose of sorting it out. “They” are going to lie like hell to us, and if they can figure a way all those people in Oregon are either dead, (might be allowed to walk away or die?), or the majority of them are “actors” and this is just another BIG SHOW (Live from The Federal Theatres of The USSA).
      The bottom line to all of this is that ‘something doesn’t seem quite right’ (but I can’t put a finger on it), and I’ve a feeling this is being “staged” in perhaps an attempt to ‘scare’ true patriots into giving up their Arms. I have to admit, if they “WACO” the place many, many, many people will be willing to do anything to save their own asses …and the rest will want to take America back.
      Looks like right now “division” has been successfully instilled across America, so they’ve nothing to worry about from this crowd of patriots (yet).

    2. No one is questioning that the Hammonds were railroaded. That is not the point. If you want to make this about the Hammonds, then you have to respect their wishes and NOT engineer a standoff with the feds in their name. If you want to use their situation as a springboard to claim that this is for the good of the entire nation, then you also have to contend with the stupidity involved in the planning in Oregon. Just because someone takes action in the name of liberty does not mean the action is smart or practical. You have to choose your ground wisely in any fight. The Bundys did not, and now we are expected to jump headfirst to follow them – just cuz?

      1. I agree the Bundy’s have truly screwed the pooch here. The fact is the terrorism law was used to prosecute a domestic crime and has to be a concern to every American. The crazy prosecutor who challenged the original ruling resigned under a cloud of controversy. Just another corrupt democrat. It is sad the Hammond’s did not want to stand up for their rights. I have worked for decades around the globe and understand well the bind the Bundy’s have put themselves in. The lack of broad support, especially logistics support like the Oath-Keepers are so adept at will make their stay in the cabin very uncomfortable very soon.

  7. The headquarters they now occupy was a forward operating base. From that base the feds have been launching attacks on law-abiding Americans for decades. That base of operations is (for now) neutralized.

    Whether they are whackos or hero’s, they’ve temporarily suppressed hostile fire on civilians and drawn the fire on themselves.

  8. A revolution begins in the mind. Its a collective thought that is manifested. And that is what we are seeing now. The goal of the news propaganda is to dilute that collective thought.

  9. If we are to defend the Constitution then why did the Oath Keepers leave? It’s no longer about that family.

  10. When I read about the abuse handed out by the BLM it makes me angry. If we believe the history of events leading up to this situation to be true, how can we stand by and do nothing. I do not find myself ready or able to join the Bundys. However, if the BLM or other Government entity did this to my family I would be thankful for any support I could get from people like the Bundys. It is a truly dreadful situation for the Hammonds. Their elected representatives stand by and do NOTHING to represent them. Until we elect leaders instead of political hacks to represent us nothing is going to change.

  11. You dumb rednecks need to be eradicated like the blight you are. You are a fringe minority the rest of the country finds repulsive. If you don’t like the rules then leave. And if you cant change the rules because not enough people agree with you to change them then tough. Thats democracy and because youre the loser minority doesnt mean you get to hold the rest of the country hostage with your big guns and inferior phallus. No one is asking you to stay. Maybe if you stop sleeping with your sisters you wouldn’t be so ignorant. I can’t wait for the next democratic president and I can’t wait till they take away your guns and above them up your ass.

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