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Ammon Bundy – Malheur Wildlife Refuge Case

Ammon and Lisa Lawyers Jan 2016

>>This article is on Ammon’s lawyer’s website: http://arnoldlawfirm.com/ammon-bundy/

Ammon Bundy – Malheur Wildlife Refuge Case

01.28.2016 – AMMON’S STATEMENT (not a transcript)

My message still remains. Turn yourselves in and do not use physical force. Use the national platform we have to continue to defend liberty through our constitutional rights in an Article 3 Court with an Article 3 judge.

America must understand where we are at. We must make a choice now between freedom or force. Are we going to live free?

I will not abandon all that we have accomplished in the name of liberty for the sake of my own personal freedom. We must choose the path of liberty which comes with freedom of choice. People must not be okay with what is going on.

I am committed to freedom not force. Freedom not force. We are done with the culture of force. We are done with the government pointing guns at us to enforce their will upon the people. This is not liberty. This is not America.

As much as I desire to see my own babies and my wife and to be the loving husband and caring father for my six children, and to be home with them caring for their needs and holding them in my arms, I must not desire this at the cost of freedom. I want to make sure the American people understand that we have a duty in our situation to further the defense of our God given rights.
The world is listening. We will use the criminal discovery process to obtain information and government records. We will continue to educate the American people of the injustices that are taking place. We can do this through an Article 3 Court in front of an Article 3 judge. This is the Constitution. And it is ours to use and we will use it.
When we were detained, we were traveling to Grant County to educate those people of their individual rights. We were prepared with computers, PA systems and projectors. We have been branded as armed occupiers. But for weeks we have spent endless hours visiting the people in Harney County and surrounding counties presenting to them solutions and choices for them to make. We were being very successful in educating people and getting them to move towards freedom. At the time that we were gaining momentum through education. For this the government once again chose force that turned lethal.

We only had guns for our protection and never once pointed them at another individual or had any desire to do so. The people have a right to bear arms for their own protection. We never wanted bloodshed. We verbalized this many, many times and we continue to do so.
I mourn Lavoy’s death. Lavoy was a man who put other’s needs and safety before his own. After we were arrested, the FBI agents that transported us said that Lavoy’s shooting would have been recorded on video. We are anxiously waiting to review this video. Questions must be answered.

The choice is ours. Are we going to stand for freedom or are we going to fall by force.

Statement by Lisa Bundy, Ammon’s Wife– 1/28/2016

Lisa made a statement (audio M4A) ay asking those remaining at the refuge to please go home.She has heard from Ammon and agrees.

FULL TEXT:

This is Lisa Bundy, Ammon Bundy’s wife. I spoke with Ammon’s lawyers yesterday and heard from his voice that those were his instructions: he wants people to go home; to go to their families.

STATEMENT BY AMMON BUNDY – 1/27/2016

First I want to address my beloved friend Lavoy Finnicum. Lavoy is one of the greatest men and greatest patriots I have ever seen. His love for this country ran deep through the blood he gave yesterday. And I mourn for him and his family. I’m praying for you fervently in every prayer.

We will have more to say later but right now I am asking the federal government to allow the people at the refuge to go home without being prosecuted.

To those remaining at the refuge, I love you. Let us take this fight from here.  Please stand down. Go home and hug your families. This fight is ours for now in the courts. Please go home.

Being in the system, we are going to take this opportunity to answer the questions on Art. 1, Section 8, Cause 17 of the United States Constitution regarding rights of statehood and the limits on federal property ownership.  Thank you and god bless America.

END OF STATEMENT

 

 

 

 

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Elias Alias

Editor in Chief for Oath Keepers; Unemployed poet; Lover of Nature and Nature's beauty. Slave to all cats. Reading interests include study of hidden history, classical literature. Concerned Constitutional American. Honorably discharged USMC Viet Nam Veteran. Founder, TheMentalMilitia.Net

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  1. If the picture I am getting is accurate, those folks out there have a mighty strange County if one man calling himself judge can hire a sheriff, tell folks when they can meet and when they can’t, and send people back to jail 5 years for pissing him off. I suspect Mr. Bundy is about to shine a light on the shenanigans of court rooms where lawyers and judges snicker at solid Constitutional arguments, citing them as ‘stupid’ when “nobody knows” what they are saying. It is our Country, folks. We will get what we abide.

    1. Just to clarify, the judge in Burns is a county judge. It was a federal judge who sentenced the Hammonds. The people of the county elected the Sheriff.

      1. Jim,I think you are right on the first part but incorrect about the sheriff. This particular sheriff was appointed.

    2. Do a search for the following statement, which has been said by certain judges in certain American courtrooms to defendents: “The Constitution Has No Place In My Courtroom”

      1. That is correct, the judge is actually being truthful in that case. The Bill of Rights and Constitution exist only in the jurisdiction of Constitutional Law. However the modern courts since 1937 all use Statutory Jurisdiction, which is a name they came up with to hide from the public its really Contract Law. The Constitution and Bill of Rights do not exist in Statutory Jurisdiction, there the “law” – which is actually Corporate Statute – is the terms of a contract.

  2. The boxed snake has no choice but to strike out as the light shines in on the fraud and deception perpetrated on the people of this country. From here on out it is imperative that the honor and glory be given to God for all of which needs to be done in the name of justice and He will help and guide us. As Ammon felt God guiding him and compelled to do what is right for his fellow man, State lines should not be a barrier to help out those in need, as he proved. The righteous will be honored and the deceivers will be served justice, the true justice that flows from our Creator.

    1. Please leave my savior and his message of love and non-violence out of your psycho ravings. I realize that it is necessary to justify militia looniness by claiming God is on your side, but he’s not. You have one helluva surprise facing you in the hereafter. For now, go have some snacks.

        1. I can’t help wondering – how many of these commenters have ever gotten off the couch and into action ? What’s the use of any reply to mere keyboard commandos? A core group of us – including myself – were at Bundy Ranch, Sugar Pine, I594 in Olympia Wa, the Obama unwelcoming in Roseburg, and of late Malhure. I;m presently on the roll of honor they call the Malhure indictment. In all of these hot spots, and in any that may occur in the future, the one priority is bodies, and lots of them. After the events in Harney County, with the most committed of us in jail – or shot dead – a new legion of committed patriots must step forward. We will author the history of these times, and not on a facebook page..

      1. You may mean well, so then what would you say to those at Lexington, Concord or to George Washington? Who do you think handed you the freedoms under Liberty to denounce standing up to oppression?
        Time you grew up enough to grasp just what I just said ~!

      2. And what would you say to t by e preacher and congregation of men shot down at the bridge at Lexington who shot back for the- “shot heard round the world”?
        Or what would you tell George Washington and the patriots that stood against Britains tyranny after peaceably entreating them for redress of grievances for a decade?
        You should grow up enough to grasp what I’m saying here, before denouncing American’s RIGHTS to freedoms under Liberty as stated in OUR Declaration of Independence- “with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence”
        Jesus said to sell your good coat(several $100 today) and “buy a sword if you don’t have one” -AND- He told Peter- to “put his sword back in its place”.

        There’s much to learn about many things American as OUR Christian roots go back directly to the Reformation via the Puritan/Pilgrim movement- crossing a fearsome ocean in a leaky wooden ship to find a home for freedoms under Liberty, and they weren’t and aren’t free ~!

        1. I kindly would invite you to consider the following in regards to the instructions to “buy a sword.”
          In Luke 22:36 the Son of God did not mean a literal sword. He spoke figuratively, as when he instructed, “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword….[for] you will be hated by all for my name’s sake” (Matthew 10:34 & 22), just as 1st Peter 2:16 speaks of a cloak in a figurative sense.
          Indeed, God the Son commonly spoke figuratively, as when he taught, “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone would eat of this bread, he will live forever” (John 6:51), even asking, “Does this offend you?” (John 6:61.) To be sure, many of his own disciples in response were offended, objecting, “This is a hard saying; who could understand it?” and “went back and walked with him no more” (John 6:60 & 66).
          Just so in Luke 22:38 the eleven disciples misunderstood him once again in regards to the sword and to other objects, to which the Lord responded with disappointment over their lack of understanding, declaring, “It is enough” (Luke 22:38), that is, there is no point in pursuing this matter with you any further.
          So what did the Lord mean by his statement: “‘When I sent you without purse, beggar’s bag, and sandals, did you lack anything’? So they said, ‘Nothing’. Then he said to them, ‘But now, he who would have a purse, let him take it, and likewise a beggar’s bag; and he who would have no sword, let him sell his outer garment and buy one; for I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in me: “And he was numbered with the transgressors;” for the things concerning me have an end'” (Luke 22:35-37)?
          In other words, the Lord advised them, ahead of time, that after his salvation work on the cross between the two thieves had come to an end, after his ascension into heaven, as they would go about their hazardous missionary work of teaching the gospel (see 2nd Corinthians 11:23-27), they would have to learn to supply themselves with spiritual strength by turning to the strengthening power of the divine gospel itself, taking up “the sword of the Spirit” (Ephesians 6:17), for example, with a sense of urgency.
          Take note of the context. On their first missionary journey with the gospel (see Luke 9:1-6), when they were on their own, away from the Lord, without a purse, beggar’s bag, or even sandals, the disciples were reminded by the Lord that he had protected them from want and harm (see Luke 22:35). Just the same, after his ascension, they would be without his physical presence and his miraculous protection which they had had because they had been in a training period. Then, when their persecutors would hunt them down like wild animals (see Acts 8:3; 9:1-2), they would wish even for just one day of his previous protection (see Luke 17:22).
          Thus, in Luke 22:35 & 36 God is preparing their minds for their future activity without his physical presence and without his unusual protection which they had had during their training period. He urges them to acquire those biblical spiritual supplies which are counterparts to an earthly purse, sandals, beggar’s bag, and sword, for instance.
          Furthermore, the apostles on their missionary journeys did not strap on swords nor even employ bodyguards to protect them from bloodthirsty mobs (see Acts 14:19; 16:19). To be sure, after the disciple Peter pulled out a sword in Gethsemane and used it in the cause of protecting his Lord, yet interfering with God’s plan of salvation (see John 18:10-11), he was scolded for it: “Put your sword back in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword!” (Matthew 26:53.)
          Therefore, be aware that the Bible has not been written so as to be a manual by which people may learn about self-defense, how best to build a house (see Matthew 7:24), or how to keep your possessions safe (see Matthew 12:29)! The Bible does not pursue these worldly matters. It concerns itself with spiritual things (see Matthew 6:25-33). The Bible merely uses figurative language at times, parables, etc., solely for the purpose of making you understand something spiritual by first comparing it to something in this world with which you are familiar. That is all.

          Thank you for your kind consideration!
          Gene Urtel – The Rivertown Press

      3. First of all, I have noticed that the comment moderator on this site displays great patience. In doing so he demonstrates good teaching qualities. I commend him for it, and encourage him to continue doing so.

        The Revolutionary War, as all wars, was a punishment sent by the Almighty for the unbelieving sins of the citizens involved. This is a biblical fact (see Judges 5:8; Isaiah 13:11; Exodus 15:3).
        The rebellious Thirteen Colonies were “down for the count” throughout the war. The only explanation as to why in their rebellion against authority they ultimately were not defeated is that God kept his pledge (see 2nd Chronicles 7:14) to hear the cries for help of a repentant and gospel-believing people, and graciously, for his own purposes, gave birth to a nation from the ashes of war (see Romans 11:33-34; Isaiah 55:8-9).
        Nevertheless, once again today God is in a punishing mode. Once again he is punishing Americans for rejecting the repentance of their sins and of his gospel pledge of salvation in Christ’s saving blood (see Mark 1:15) by withdrawing the constitutional freedoms which he graciously gave us, along with peace, prosperity, and other blessings, which Americans simply have been abusing for lawless purposes.
        Indeed, “as the people are, so will the ruler be.” That is, if the rulers would be lawless, immoral, and criminal, it will be because the pool of citizens from which they came, will act the same way toward God and their neighbor.
        Furthermore, it is a man-made idea that God would want citizens to rebel against tyrants in government. There is no biblical command or promise from God to do this; just the opposite (see 1st Peter 2:13-21). Rather God hates all tyrants in all walks of life, yet he does not command us to rebel against or take out revenge on every bully which we would meet up with in life, such as parents, or other car drivers. If God would wish to strike down tyrants, he will do it himself (see Romans 12:19). In the meantime he commands us to be orderly, and to obey the authority which he says he himself has set over us, such as Pontius Pilate (see John 19:11).

        Thank you for your kind consideration!

        Gene Urtel – The Rivertown Press

  3. ELIAS, I was most stunned in the article before this a post from a JUDGE ANNA MARIA RIEZINGER, Is this for real? Were these guys soldiers or fortune/hired thugs? I will await your reply before I pee my pants. Thanks,CB

    1. CB, you’re asking me a loaded question. I am not trying to evade you, I’m just trying to evade your question, lol. I have no way to answer you, because there are multiple parallel realities ongoing at this time in our history, and your correct answer shall depend almost entirely on which reality you’re perception is geared into.

      I will drop one hint for you here. When King George III decided that the Revolution in his Colonies was becoming too costly, and after he took counsel with his closest people, do you think it may be possible that he came up with a plan which would end the Revolution and allow the new States to fly their flag and believe they had escaped British control, yet at the same time ensure that England continued to milk the wealth which the Colonies had been producing without We The People even knowing it? I suggest you look closely into the creation of the Bank of England in the late 1600s, and then go watch the movie “Braveheart” with Mel Gibson.

      I’m sorry I cannot answer your question. But if you want to see more from her, here is an archive.

      http://annavonreitz.com/

      Make up your own mind. To me, it’s all a bit more than I can comprehend, so I can neither confirm nor deny it.

      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

      1. Elias, Ah Ya, I see what ya mean! my turn, lol. I don’t think I have enough life left in me to read all of that, she is one busy lady. Thanks.CB

    2. Charlie BROWN:
      The open letter written by Judge Anna M. Rietzinger to David Ward was most enlightening and it makes sense! I am really grateful that people take the time and have the fortitude to risk a lot, or all to expose the corruption and abuse of power by elite officials, and to educate people regarding suppression of truth and the loopholes used to circumvent the U.S. Constitution. I don’t want anyone to take this wrong, but I can see how the Nazis took control of Germany.

  4. Elias, YES, she is the real deal and she needs to be in court to testify!!!!! If enough people showed up in the patriot/liberty movement I don’t see how any one could deny what is going on in this country. This is what the Sheeple need.
    She has already as of Nov. called out the sheriff and told him he has no more authority than a mall cop. geez, I love it.

  5. I smell something, and its a familiar odor. What happened to this link:

    https://oathkeepers.org/pacific-patriots-network-update-january-29-2016-official-call-to-action/

    The current “SITREP” does not say anything about whether or not there are still roadblocks, where searches are mandatory, and where ID checks are being done. I feel that many people will be detered from joining in protest, in fear of retaliation. Are there any unobstructed routes into burns?

    I would imagine the remaining occupants at mnwr have well justified reason to believe that “free to go” is not truthful. Has no one asked to get that statement in writing, and signed by an official with authority?

    This situation appears to be a perfect FED recon mission, for folks on the ground as well online, and on the phone. Facial recognition, as well as voice printing, and other personal info is flooding into FED hard drives.

    What a grand show this is. I share an interest into why there was no support offered during Ammon and Lavoy’s trip to meet with nearby townsmen and women. I share an interest into why roads to the refuge were closed without contest. Why no contest of closing roads to burns? Why no pictures and footage of FED’s or their license plate numbers? No GPS of roadblock locations? How is it possible that there is no independent footage of the pickup Lavoy was driving being towed? Where did it go? Did none of the occupants in either vehicle send an SOS? Was Ms. Sharp recording any of the incident? Does not one militiaman own a drone? Many people, including myself are wondering about the footage of the stop. Why is there no audio, and is that the best resolution tax dollars can buy? If tax dollars can put trained snipers in the woods, why not surveillance (with audio)? How can there be better footage of kids soccer games from drones purchased at big box stores?

    Maybe I’m asking for too much, too soon. I do know that a camera can be more powerful than a 50 cal, thumb drives too. Surely others out there are seeing the needles on their BS detectors registering maximum levels.

    1. I posted the article in question, then pulled it within an hour or so. PPN decided to issue an update to that, a “softer” statement. In talking on phone with representative of PPN last evening, the need for some became apparent. Stewart Rhodes will be making an announcement shortly.
      Sorry for the confusion.
      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

    2. This came out today. It is hard to understand her in places due to sound quality. She states many questions on Mark McConnell (driver of Ammons vehicle). Remember he was only questioned for 2 hrs then released retaining “personal belongings”. His video contradicted the 18yo singer Victoria Short and Shawna testimony agrees with Victoria’s. Shawna also states she made a cell phone recording of the take down but officers took it when she was arrested. She also mentions on the way to jail the FBI told her they had dashcam video. Now let’s see if it gets released. Here is her recording of events. Burns Oregon–Shawna Cox Testimony of the Death of LaVoy Finicum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hTJkdwOWk

      Oh and Elias that “Dee” person gave her self away with the “snack” comment. Another paid troll. They are everywhere sir flooding all websites on this.

  6. Today, at http://www.paulcraigroberts.org website, look at the right sidebar for articles and he has…a post that reads: Statement from the Robert “LaVoy” Finicum family….when you “hit” on this, it brings you to the website (the newsdoctors.com) to hit on to get the family”s statement and a video that is played, showing LaVoy…in various pictures…. Please make this video available Elias, as a “lead article”..as it shows the humanity of LaVoy…as a descent human being…that there was absolutely no reason to kill..
    Don’t the law enforcers have protective gear, shields, etc? Could they have not just waited and talked with him…or waited and brought someone who knew him…who would know he was not a danger..to meet and talk with him,.and resolved this situation peacefully…??? I have not seen any mention about the well known rancher in Idaho, gunned down a few months back, when the “police” call him to take care of his injured bull on the highway (hit by a car)…he goes with a rifle to kill the injured bull…and in turn, they kill him…???? This is America???? The one that the lead Judge (American) at “Judgement at Nuremberg” (a movie..all should watch) said, stood for..”Justice, Truth, and the Value of a single Human Life”?

  7. As a follow-up to my previous post, because I want people to look at the l961 movie, Judgement At Nuremberg, I give the following website… it is discussed in an article titled: “I Love My Country”..by Marilyn Barnewall…this article is outstanding written July 4, 2010 http://www.newswithviews.com/Barnewall/marilyn142.htm

    Marilyn highlights key statements from the film..one is…(from the Chief Judge presiding over the trial) “The Principle of criminal law in every CIVILIZED (my emphasis) society, has this in common…..(I am purposefully not telling you what he said, so that hopefully, you will read the rest of his statement at her article…Look at Marilyn’s resume… regards

  8. I think they’re all screwed. I don’t believe they can get a fair trial as abundant conflicts of interest exist.

    Consider the actors:

    Plaintiff = United States of America
    United States Armed Forces = Part of the Plaintiff / all actors paid by the Plaintiff (reported presence not confirmed)
    BLM = Part of the Plaintiff / all actors paid by the Plaintiff / none signed complaints
    FBI = Part of the Plaintiff / all actors paid by the Plaintiff / 1 (one) signed a complaint as agent for the Plaintiff
    Complainant = Employed by the Plaintiff / not in her personal capacity or that of an attorney / “qualified immunity” by action & title?
    AUSAs reviewing the complaint & Affidavit = unnamed & employed by the Plaintiff
    Unnamed witnesses = Employed by the Plaintiff and 1 (one) erroneously referred to as “Citizen” / signed complaint(s) available?
    Judge/Magistrate = Employed by the Plaintiff
    Bundy’s attorneys = Appointed by & Paid by the Plaintiff (unverified appointment)
    federal courthouse = Owned/operated/controlled by the Plaintiff (not an actor per se)
    Defendants = 7 named Americans in the custody of the plaintiff by force / 1 (one) named American killed by agent of Plaintiff claiming “qualified immunity”

    Remove “qualified immunity” from ALL actors would be a good start to a fair trial but what’s the chance of that happening?

    Change of venue whereas the Plaintiff is not the judge & prosecutor & executioner (by employer/employee relationship), but what’s the chance of that happening?

  9. Mark Koerber of the American Liberty Society and Free Capitalist.com just interviewed Shawna Cox who was released from Fed lockup in Portland. She was in Lavoy’s truck sitting next to Victoria Sharp. She is much older than Victoria, so her account is more observant so she articulates in detail everything that happened and everything that was said in the truck from the moment they began to be followed, to Lavoy’s death, and everything that happened after that. Including inside information. What she has to say is truly a bombshell. She claims the bullets were flying before Lavoy even got out of the truck, and continued to fly while he was walking with his hands up, and continued to fly for many minutes, and even after all truck occupants were in custody the LEO’s began unloading on the vehicle AGAIN. She claims Mark McConnell rushed the group to leave the refuge at the time they did, and he insisted the 2 trucks travel together despite opposition to that idea. And she recounts other statements Mark McConnell made after they were all in custody together. The audio is clear. Scroll down for the video. Interview begins at 12:30.

    http://www.freecapitalist.com/2016/01/31/second-eyewitness-chronicling-the-tragic-ambush-and-murder-of-lavoy-finicum-video/

    1. I encourage everyone to go to this link and read Mark Koerber’s article. Watch the video!!! This is what they are really afraid of;
      “In fact, Oregon Senator Ron Wyden said yesterday that he and Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley had met with FBI Director James Comey and talked about the protesters at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge only “a few hours” before the dramatic incident, and had expressed concerns that the standoff was “a situation where the virus was spreading” and action needed to be taken.” Mark Koerber.

      You have a sympathetic county to the North (Grant). You have a situation brewing at Malheur County to the East. They are trying to turn it into a National Monument. It turns out there are several mineral resources in that county and the government wants to be in “Control” of said resources. The ranchers may be sympathetic to your cause in that county. The sheriff won’t though. It may be time to go big, or go home! Our Progressive counterparts do.

      I have started checking into this Uranium mining gig. It is front company after front company after front companies. Supposedly the Aurora project is the focal area. Here is some info for now. I will dig deeper tomorrow…..
      http://www.us-mining.com/oregon/malheur-county
      http://www.oregonlive.com/travel/index.ssf/2015/07/owyhee_preservation_proposal_i.html
      http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=109304380

      Other names pop up Placer Amex Inc., Uranium1, Energy Ventures, Chevron.
      Oh, and by the way John Day County is partially a National Monument. I know for a fact it is rich in minerals, because a kid we camped on the North Fork of the John Day river. It was dredged for gold many years ago……
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Day_Fossil_Beds_National_Monument
      http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/oregon-shootout-rooted-in-clinton-uranium-trade/

      Go check it out, there’s some meat on those bones. Am hoping Stuart puts out a statement soon. It would help to know where the Oat Keepers are on this subject…….

  10. Fear of retaliation need not be a consideration here. You may be challenged and asked to produce ID, however, your own safety is your concern and not that of an oppressive government. There is a measurable difference between what you are recommended not to do and that which you must not do. I would recommend you not do what you must not do. Every parent knows precisely what I am saying.
    As a United States citizen, I am to be unencumbered in my travel. I am literally free to go where ever I desire to go, barring fire, flood, or earthquake.
    The roadblocks are illegal because they are set up in anticipation of the evil men may do ! At no time was an evil being perpetrated at Malheur Refuge. The Malheur occupation should you desire call it such, was and continues to be a petition of the people against an oppressive government that has injured not only the Hammonds, but others. The hardware arrayed against the protestors at this moment is evidence of the oppression, and that of the unrighteous death of Lavoy Finicum.
    If I determined to walk into an area of thugs as thieves as these persons are often portrayed, that is my business. It is no one else ! However, in defense of Ammon Bundy, I offer the following.
    From the beginning, Ammon Bundy and his supporters have said, “We do not desire violence.” “Our arms are not going to be pointed at anyone !”
    Lavoy Finicum reiterated that statement on video which the whole world may see. “We have not pointed weapons at anyone, but they have pointed theirs at us.”
    This was a peaceful protest ! Armed to be sure, but for all intents and purposes, peaceful.
    I would not have had any reluctance to make my appearance among them unarmed.
    Bundy, Lavoy, and the parties with them were unfortunately lured into complacency so much so as to head out to a gathering of citizens( not law enforcement), to make their pleas known. They did so trusting they would not be abused in their persons, or fatally harmed.
    That confidence was betrayed by a government already out of control, and the outcome should have been foreseeable except for the tragic consequences. Your government is not to be trusted to secure life, liberty, and freedom for all its citizens.
    Truthfully, Ammon Bundy and Lavoy Finicum were lured to Lavoy’s death. The final result was to have been an informative meeting in John Day where the gathered citizens could participate in a lawful gathering.
    Instead, the OSP murdered Lavoy Finicum !
    It matters little what the courts may determine. They have become corrupted to such an extent that they do not even know what our founding principles are:
    ““And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
    Unfortunately, a youngster is more likely to know who Miley Cyrus is, bearing her breasts on stage before an adoring crowd, than who our first president of the United States or John Jay, or John Adams may be. They know nothing of the brave men and women who have sacrificed their lives for freedom, of which Lavoy Finicum has become only another.
    The law enforcement officer who participated in Lavoy’s death, did so believing he had authority to do so, however he is yet bound by the admonition of Scripture, “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:…”
    I truly hope that the officer or officers who shot Lavoy are visited by the angel of despair and a troubling spirit. If indeed Lavoy was fired upon by multiple arms, then let all perpetrators of violence upon this peaceful man be visited by the spirit of justice to do with them as He may.
    For the officers, there is yet opportunity for repentance.
    At every occasion, the presence of Bundy and his supporters was described as a peaceful means to achieve justice for others and not for themselves. They asked for a hearing that was refused, and answered only with bullets, while the Governor of Oregon who is no more than an unrepentant pervert and fornicator, remains in office.
    Your government has heightened tensions by the unrighteous acts of persons acting under an assumed authority that proceeds not from God.
    I am not Mormon. I believe the Mormon religion to be a false narrative of Christianity and must commit Lavoy to the Supreme Judge of all the earth. Likewise, the LEA’s who participated in his death.
    The citizens of Oregon and indeed everyone knowledgeable of these events must truly examine their hearts!

  11. Concerning the US Constitution Article I, Section 8, Clause 17:
    Section 8 is concerned with the list of powers i.e. legislative authority, that the people originally delegated to the federal government.
    Clause 17 concerns land areas that the government would need in order to exercise these powers and granted it exclusive jurisdiction over them.
    17) To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful buildings;
    The government was never authorized to own or control (have legislative jurisdiction over) property beyond that needed for the placement of the kind of structures listed. Since this portion of the Constitution has never been changed by amendment, which is the only lawful way to change this law, it is still the law of the land. Therefore, it is the federal government that has been breaking the law by occupying so much of our land and building structures that are not necessary for exercising the limited powers given to them. For instance: the federal government was empowered to establish a postal system so post office buildings would be a legitimate kind of “needful building.”
    The men who wrote this founding document intended to place limits on federal authority, here and in the 9th and 10th amendments. The government was never given authority over wildlife so wildlife refuges and their visitor centers are not lawful. If you don’t like that and think the federal government should have authority over arms, the air, water, total environment, radio waves, education, scenery, property, wildlife, our wages, or anything else not originally granted, then the constitution provides a lawful amendment process to give these powers. However, the federal government has long been acting as if they had unlimited authority over everything and anything regardless of the law. By the way there is also no constitutionally granted authority for national police forces like the FBI, ATF, DEA etc.
    A sign at the entrance to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge facility says, “Everyone is welcome at any time” or words to this effect. This may be part of the reason that the Bundys et. al. were not charged with anything to do with “occupying federal land/ buildings”, trespass or any such thing.
    Therefore, the unlawful building at the wildlife refuge was the perfect place to peacefully protest violations of the law of the land, i.e. the US Constitution, that have been taking place all over the US, especially in the west. Better yet, since it was 30 some miles away from bothering the local community and right in the area where some of the most egregious government crimes have taken place against a multitude of ranchers, including the recent double jeopardy incarceration of the Hammonds, it was a great time as well as place. A much better place than lawfully owned municipal property that left-wing occupiers have been allowed to trash for months at a time without being murdered.
    At least these ranchers were fed-up enough to actually DO SOMETHING. Whether you agree that this was a perfect time, place, or issue for a protest is irrelevant. It has happened and is a good start with some momentum. The iron is warm if not hot, and it’s now probably our best time to make as big a noise as we can. This may be the last good chance we get to obtain peaceful redress of our grievances before we really go down the drain into the bloody cesspool.
    FYI: The Republicans are almost as guilty of crimes against the constitution as the demons so don’t wait for something that ain’t gonna happen. If voting could cause real change then it would be illegal too.

  12. I desire it to be known I resist the term “militants” and request others voice the same opposition. It plays into the narrative that is sought to make these peaceful people occupying Malheur Refuge, “Terrorists.” That only reinforces unjust and unrighteous conduct by a government that has been so significantly corrupted as to not be trusted.
    As of September, 2015, Gallup reported that 49% of American citizens believe the governmen poses “an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens.”
    In a similar Gallup survey, 75 percent of Americans said they believe corruption is widespread throughout government in the United States.
    In the same report, seventy-nine percent of the Americans surveyed told Gallup they believe that members of Congress are generally out of touch with average Americans.
    It is an undeniable fact that the president of the United States is corrupt by every measure. He should have been impeached long ago but for the truth of the belief of a majority of Americans, “our Congress is similarly corrupt.”
    “A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, neither may a bad tree bring forth good fruit !”
    We are a Judaeo-Christian country, founded upon principles of judgement, justice, and virtue, antone of which being lacking destroys the warp and woof of who we are as the United States of America.
    Obama is insistent on bringing the destroyer into this country and the ignorant and the uninformed of our citizens are going to allow he and others like him to do so.
    I am not going to argue religion here but will go so faras to say the following:
    “The wicjked shall be turned into hell, and all nations that forget God !”
    Our own Treaty with Paris was subscribed to and sealed by Benjamin Franklin, John Jay, and John Adams in the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity. That was almost 4 years to the day before the ratification of the Constitution of the United States of which Benjamin Franklin approved along with others in “the year of our Lord (Jesus Christ), one thousand seven hundred and Eightyseven.”
    63 years later, another document was prepared, authorized, signed, recommended, and entered into law In the name of the Most Holy and Indivisible Trinity. A President of the United States approved that compact. His name was Zachary Taylor.
    We have denied the pinions that have fastened us to our future as a free nation and we will suffer for it.
    The sword of the Lord is in the land and it is being strenthened by a man who is perhaps the most treacherous person to ever hold the office of President of the United States, barrack Obama.

  13. Elias,

    I had intended the following to be in the above post just after the words “Congress is similarly corrupt:”

    “Congress not only will not do it, they are restrained by their own corruption from doing it !
    Look at Hillary Clinton ! That this woman may address anyone from a stage or dais anywhere, attests to the fact that a certain segment of our citizens are corrupt in large measure. She too is free to move without restriction when she should be under indictment.”

  14. “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act”. George Orwell
    Thanks Ammon and company. And, by the way, the old saying of “God works in mysterious ways” I’m sure applies to this entire scenario also. To those who are so sure that Ammon was not led of the Lord, I no longer stand with you.

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