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South Dakota police defend use of Confederate flag on patches

This article was published by  Keloland Television on July 13, 2015. In a debate designed to erase our history, some hyper-sensitive and misguided souls feel that the Confederate Flag symbolizes slavery and the KKK, and that any display of that flag implies a vicarious support for such evils, while more open-minded Americans feel that the Confederate Flag symbolizes the perpetual conflict between State sovereignty and national sovereignty, a.k.a., “States’ Rights” as protected by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.  Now the juxtaposed perspectives are pitted against each other in a small town in South Dakota named “Gettysburg”. There are some interesting currents for readers who like to “read between the lines“.

Photo courtesy of Gettysburg, SD Police Department via PoliceOnedotCom
Photo courtesy of Gettysburg, SD Police Department via OfficerDotCom

A Confederate flag on police patches is at the center of a heated debate

Snippets from the article:

Hart says he isn’t angry with Gettysburg city leaders but doesn’t understand why they’d have a Confederate flag on a uniform worn by officers. As a person of color, he says it’s offensive to him.

“South Dakota doesn’t need that stuff in our state,” Hart said.

Patch designer Scott Barksdale, who has a background in law enforcement and history, worked with a former Gettysburg police chief to create the work in 2009. He says he chose the design to show unification as the Union and Confederate flags cross.

Both Confederate and Union soldiers, along with others, moved to Gettysburg and lived in the community together.

“Gettysburg was founded by Civil War veterans who came here after the war was over,” historian Corey Wannamaker said. “It was called the soldiers’ colony or the soldiers’ home and it was mostly just to attract other veterans to come out. Because it was founded by soldiers, that would make other soldiers comfortable to come out here.”

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19 comments

  1. Those shouting ever so loud and decrying the Confederate Flag are using the tactic of division to alter the reality of the history of why the Civil War came about.

    1. I’m not sure I understand. Are you suggesting that the civil war was primarily about something other than slavery?

      1. nmballa,

        You need to study your history. If it was primarily about slavery, why did it take Lincoln three years to issue the Emancipation Proclamation, which, if you studied your history, you would know only freed the slaves in the Confederacy, leaving slavery intact in the Union?

        Shorty Dawkins

      2. nmballa, the Civil War was fought over States’ rights. The topic of slavery was a rallying cry, but the issue was about State sovereignty. Lincoln himself made at least two public statements about his view on the States continuing with slavery, which the NEA-sponsored public school history books always fail to include.
        It could be helpful for you to recall that no one from the Federal government (the government created to maintain the Union) signed the Constitution. The States came together in compact and created the Constitution which then created the Federal government (the Union). If you look at the document you’ll see that the only signatures on that document were placed there by representatives of the several States. Southern States maintained they had the right to withdraw from the Union, since they voluntarily joined it while being sovereign nation-State Republics, and since the Federal government was exceeding its lawful bounds with relation to the Southern States. Please do as Mr. Shorty Dawkins suggests and dig deep into the hidden history, and you’ll see that Lincoln himself was not opposed to slavery.
        Salute!
        Elias Alias, editor

      3. Now if you really dig into your history you will find out that the civil war had to do with states rights not about slavery, if it had to do with slavery why did it take that Lincoln 3 years to “free” the slaves? When Lincoln came into “power” he raised the tax on a bale of cotton from 10 cents per 100 weight to $1.30 per 100 weight.

    2. If this country is continually duped into getting rid of the Confederate Flag for misguided reasons? Then they better get rid of LGBT racist Flag!

  2. “… while more open-minded Americans feel that the Confederate Flag symbolizes the perpetual conflict between State sovereignty and national sovereignty, a.k.a., ‘States’ Rights’ as protected by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.”

    The Confederate flag was NO MORE a symbol of slavery than the American flag was during The War Between The States. I am sick of the hypocrisy of Yankees and naive “Southerners who know nothing about the history of The War Between The States. Why don’t they advocate tearing down the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., since Lincoln kept slavery legal in the North for the entire War Between the States. And why don’t they put up some of Lincoln’s thoughts regarding American Blacks on the Lincoln Memorial. I think that I know why.

    –A “Southerner” born in Washington State and who has lived if Washington State all of his life, and who abhors ALL slavery.

    http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3336/The-Confederate-Flag-Needs-To-Be-Raised-Not-Lowered.aspx

    1. Why do you think Southerners are naïve? I know very well about SC succession as most who have very deep roots & have studied their heritage. Countries across the globe have studied the Confederate Soldiers, because of their tenacity to fight so long being so small of Armies compared to the Union, out weaponed, it has been said that 1 Rebel was worth 2 Yanks. My GG GF survived from 1861-65 wounded 3 times in the eye 1st time “Hog Eye” POW twice shot in neck & shoulder, but nothing could keep those men down, it was their homes & freedom that drove them for so long. The website is their Company flag along w/ the 1st. But all the battles he fought in are not listed he fought as Manassas & Olustee. Afterwards it was “Scorch & Burn” everything our libraries, Court Houses, widowed women w/ children houses were burned the field tools broken just for the meanness of it. It was the Revolution all over, years of paying taxes that were primarily used to industrialize the North & nothing much returned to the Southern States. This was discussed several times in Congress before they proceeded, but the majority of congress was Northern, so the South was limited to their representation. (Like today straight down the party lines & not for the people) Abe Lincoln was a total racist, read his speech from Pres. debate in IL 1858. He didn’t even want black people to be allowed to stay in the US. It was only after he was worried about those Rebels descendants of the Original Rebels, the Revolutionary Soldiers, that he thought to get the abolitionists on board. They also never declared war on the Northern slave holding states like Delaware who did not ratify the 13th amend. till 1901! Honest Abe was not honest & I thought I was taught real history, LoL. Today it is a disgrace to all. the way people portray history (Fabian text books) & you can read journals, letters from the men on the battlefield @ NARA. Also Teaching American History site, where you can read the original papers of Succession, most blow you off or try the shame into silence as not to offend. PC BS. Nothing was ever guaranteed except freedom, justice & pursuit of happiness. We evolved, but under the powers that be pushing us back 150 years! When Or IS it possible for the military leaders to say, you have violated your oath & have not done the 1st purpose of the President to protect the general interests as quoted from SC., below. Do you think he intends to change our political process in 2016? It is hard for me to believe our own military would turn on us, oath or not. It would be crazy to think (I kinda do) that they could do that. Like history repeated, all the immigrants that became part of the Union & way out numbered the Confederacy. Is that happening now with the influx of people coming illegally or over staying Visas, is part of a diabolical plan? I wouldn’t put nothing past what the intentions the power that be have been planning. Excuse me if I sound stupid, if so, educate me, For real, I would like to think we are many they are few, is that naïve? So many wrongs have already been done & not 1 single person held responsible, starting w/ Brian Terry! Here is the SC (part of that has to do w/ what we seem to be dealing with now, history repeating itself) ???

      “No man can for a moment believe, that our ancestors intended to establish over their posterity, exactly the same sort of Government they had overthrown. The great object of the Constitution of the United States, in its internal operation, was, doubtless, to secure the great end of the Revolution–a limited free Government–a Government limited to those matters only, which were general and common to all portions of the United States. All sectional or local interests, were to be left to the States. By no other arrangement, would they obtain free Government, by a Constitution common to so vast a Confederacy. Yet by gradual and steady encroachments on the part of the people of the North, and acquiescence on the part of the South, the limitations in the Constitution have been swept away; and the Government of the United States has become consolidated, with a claim of limitless powers in its operations”.
      Regarding the Confederate flag the following makes sense since a lot of Scots/Irish pioneered the south, which no one who just wants unrest will believe & the fact over 800k white & black men, women & kids died for or has been interpreted as freeing black people. The Confederate battle flag, called the “Southern Cross” or the cross of St. Andrew, has been described variously as a proud emblem of Southern heritage. (the apostle was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross)
      I would really just like to know what the many people here who know or have a good idea of what the near future holds? ~Sincerely

      1. Right on dude! My fam is from va,tn back in those days and beyond. Love the stars and bars for many reasons and racisom has nothing to do with it.get this 1percent of blacks owned slaves back then and 10percent of the blacks in the northern part of the south were free men. Bet the kiddies in school don’t know that.

    2. Why do you think Southerners are naïve? I & many of people I know have very deep roots & are proud of our heritage. I know very well the history of Succession. Same situation we find ourselves today! Congress votes straight down party lines & not for the good of the people. The south had not enough representation in Congress. Twice it was brought up in Congress & twice in Convention of State. It was about taxes paid by the south was mostly spent industrializing the North & very little sent back South. The war was not over slavery, Lincoln was a racist! Read his speech of 1858 in IL when he was running for president, he didn’t even want black people to reside in the US, He only brought in the Abolitionists in fear of losing to the south. Even though out numbered & out weaponed they fought with tenacity for their lands & their freedom. The Confederate soldiers are the subject of study across the globe for the very fact the were able to fight so long. My GG GF was shot 3 different times, the first being in his eye “Hog Eye”, was POW twice, luckily they were still exchanging prisoners! It is horrid what happened when they stopped. He fought from 1861-65 and could never be kept down, right back to the fight ASAP. They terrorized the women, children & the southern Black people with Gunboats up & down the rivers surrounding Jacksonville. After the war the desecrated our historical records by burning our court houses, libraries & even widowed women w/ children homes, broke their farm tools to make survival even harder. “Scorch & Burn” was the command after the war! The following is the most pertinent part of the SC Succession Papers
      “No man can for a moment believe, that our ancestors intended to establish over their posterity, exactly the same sort of Government they had overthrown. The great object of the Constitution of the United States, in its internal operation, was, doubtless, to secure the great end of the Revolution–a limited free Government–a Government limited to those matters only, which were general and common to all portions of the United States. All sectional or local interests, were to be left to the States. By no other arrangement, would they obtain free Government, by a Constitution common to so vast a Confederacy. Yet by gradual and steady encroachments on the part of the people of the North, and acquiescence on the part of the South, the limitations in the Constitution have been swept away; and the Government of the United States has become consolidated, with a claim of limitless powers in its operations.”
      Does anyone else think history is repeating itself now? The influx of illegals & people over staying visas. like the vast immigration to the Northern states after the Revolution. There already has been so many wrongs done against the people, starting w/ Brian Terry & not 1 single person has been held accountable. The Power that be knows everything but is responsible for nothing! Can’t the heads of our Military remove this person w/o consent of Congress? People here are much more informed than myself, so may I ask we will last through this term or will this Country find history repeating itself? Some may think I am a conspiracy theorist but I think all those fires out West were set on purpose to deplete our resources even more! I thought I was I was taught real history, it was history written in Fabian Text Books! The original “2 papers of Succession” can be found at “Teaching Real History” website. Another true source is from the Journals & letters that can be found at NARA & State Archives as well. These being written by the men in the battle.
      People here know much more than I, may I ask we will survive this term or will history repeat itself? Can’t our Military leaders remove him from office for not fulfilling his duties. We have evolved, but the Agenda seems to want us to regress 150 years, IMHO
      Sincerely~
      The website show the flag of Hog Eye’s Infantry & the battles they fought, obviously it seems they ran out of room, as he fought at Manassas & Olustee as well. There were constantly merged & I believe ended up w/ the Army of Tenn. Florida only had 15,000 men to fight, my G GF was just 16 & he fought as well
      Concerning the Confederate Flag or Southern Cross I believe found it origin from the Scots/Irish, many of whom pioneered the south
      “The best-known of all Confederate flags the battle flag is often erroneously confused with the national flag of the Confederacy. The battle flag features the cross of St. Andrew (the apostle was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross), and is commonly called the “Southern Cross.” A large degree of the Southern population was of Scottish and Scotch-Irish ancestry, and thus familiar with St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland. The stars represented the eleven states actually in the Confederacy, plus Kentucky and Missouri.”

  3. This deliberate destruction of our history, monuments, etc is necessary for the total destruction of our nation.

    Never let them fool you for one minute that this is about race…
    unless you are thinking of the race to ARREST THE DOMESTIC ENEMIES AND TRAITORS AND PROSECUTE THEM TO THE FULLEST EXTENT WE CAN!

    In which case, I am fully on board that “race”.

  4. How quaint. Folks telling other to learn history then referring to the stars and bars as “the Confederate Flag” It was not. It is the confederate battle flag. Sheesh.

    Like the contention the the first civil war was about “states rights” which is almost true but like the flag thing more than a few degrees off course. The issue was, as all wars are, financially motivated. The secessh wanted, needed slavery to continue as the largest supplier of cotton thus slavery is enshrined in the confederate constitution. Of course it was about “states rights”, the “right” to keep slaves.

    If modern day self styled patriots cannot deal with the facts of history without twisting them to suit their agenda how is establishing credibility ever going to be possible?

    Some citizens may be uneducated. Not all are.

    1. Rojo, I give you this discussion of the Causes of the Civil War, and this excerpt below:

      During the entire life of the Republic the respective rights and powers of the States and general government had furnished a question for endless controversy. In process of time this controversy assumed a somewhat sectional phase. The dominating thought of the North and of the South may be summarized in a few sentences.
      The South maintained with the depth of religious conviction that the Union formed under the Constitution was a Union of consent and not of force; that the original States were not the creatures but the creators of the Union; that these States had gained their independence, their freedom, and their sovereignty from the mother country, and had not surrendered these on entering the Union; that by the express terms of the Constitution all rights and powers not delegated were reserved to the States; and the South challenged the North to find one trace of authority in that Constitution for invading and coercing a sovereign State.
      The North, on the other hand, maintained with the utmost confidence in the correctness of her position that the Union formed under the Constitution was intended to be perpetual; that sovereignty was a unit and could not be divided; that whether or not there was any express power granted in the Constitution for invading a State, the right of self-preservation was inherent in all governments; that the life of the Union was essential to the life of liberty; or, in the words of Webster, “liberty and union are one and inseparable.”
      To the charge of the North that secession was rebellion and treason, the South replied that the epithets of rebel and traitor did not deter her from the assertion of her independence, since these same epithets had been familiar to the ears of Washington and Hancock and Adams and Light Horse Harry Lee. In vindication of her right to secede, she appealed to the essential doctrine, “the right to govern rests on the consent of the governed,” and to the right of independent action as among those reserved by the States. The South appealed to the acts and opinions of the Fathers and to the report of the Hartford Convention of New England States asserting the power of each State to decide as to the remedy for infraction of its rights; to the petitions presented and positions assumed by ex-President John Quincy Adams; to the contemporaneous declaration of the 8th of January assemblage in Ohio indicating that 200,000 Democrats in that State alone were ready to stand guard on the banks of the border river and resist invasion of Southern territory; and to the repeated declarations of Horace Greeley and the admission of President Lincoln himself that there was difficulty on the question of force, since ours ought to be a fraternal Government.

      Shorty Dawkins

      1. Very Good site, if you took this from “Shotguns”. I’ll be reading all day. I had never heard of the assemblage. There is so much to read there but I have not yet come across the fact that Grant was a slave holder & Lee was not. All one has to do is look to the census to see most southerners did not own slave. If a family did have a few as mine did far back before the “War of Northern Aggression” They worked right along side of them on their small farms, they sheltered them, fed them and bequeathed them. The kept families together & even after the war they remained with my family, they were part of the family unit. Different from the big plantations who the North had vested interests in them & brought many of the slaves south had the overseers, that is where the travesty lies. Some in the south came from the islands as indentured servants as many white people were as well! They worked for a certain time & gained their freedom. Some southern folks that became in debt would have to give the sons to be an indentured servant until such debt was paid off through their labor. But people today don’t want to know the truth & buy into the BS being brought up 150 years later. I’ve tried to break through that barrier but they don’t even believe that over 800K men died for their freedom. They don’t realize they are disrespecting the endurance & strife their ancestors endured for them to have all the freedoms they enjoy today. Thanks again for the insight!

    2. Right on dude! My fam is from va,tn back in those days and beyond. Love the stars and bars for many reasons and racisom has nothing to do with it.get this 1percent of blacks owned slaves back then and 10percent of the blacks in the northern part of the south were free men. Bet the kiddies in school don’t know that.

    3. People like you act like slavery began and ended in America.sad thing is slavery is still alive and well in this country it just ain’t got nothin to do with chopping cotton.

  5. Our country is in trouble that we all know and agree.We live in a divided nation for many many reasons but I believe the #1 reason is sin. Many of us have sinned and repented thank God forJesus, but many of us have not repented including those at the fed level.Read the Old Testament The book of Kings.When you do you will find that a good king and the people had peace and prosperity, an evil king and the people had no peace or prosperity.Funny thing sounds like us don’t it.God Bless America and the Oath Keepers!

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