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William B.:

Testimonial: As a Cavalry Scout in the US Army, I once had a chance to uphold my oath in a way that wasn’t very popular. I was forced to attend training in California, even though my wife (at the time) was to give birth to our son within the next week or two. I went to the training, unhappy but following orders. Then I found out that shortly after arriving, 1 female soldier had died due to an accidental overdose on the medication she had been given to help her cope with the pain of being pregnant. She was NOT supposed to attend this training being pregnant. She and the baby were lost, and another female lost the baby she was pregnant with due to the harsh conditions set when training out in the field. She, as well, was not supposed to attend that training.

However, our loving and thoughtful Colonel had forced EVERY SOLDIER, no matter what their status was, to attend this training so that he could have 99% attendance and be up for his VERY IMPORTANT promotion.

I attempted to contact JAG, notify my NCOs that this was wrong and even brought it up with my Company Commander… No one was willing to say anything or do anything about this breach in responsibility. This was, as I feel, murder.

Myself and a battle buddy took off across the desert with 1 camelback each and a pack of crackers from an MRE. We walked 8 hours through the desert, found a ride, and took a 2 day trip south before calling an NCO, informing them of our location, and having the police retrieve us and return us to base. Once placed in front of judge and jury, I informed them and anyone else I came into contact with about the happenings and the situation.

I was discharged with an “Other than Honorable” which causes me to be ineligible for any benefits and I am not allowed to re-enlist at any point, but I did hear from several of my squad mates that shortly after I had been discharged, the Colonel and several other officers had been relieved of duty.

Someone has to be the red flag, and sometimes that flag gets dirtied or torn, but sometimes it’s worth more than your suffering to make things right.

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21 comments

  1. God Bless and Protect all of you. I do hope you know how much your are respected and needed.
    I don’t know any of you personally…

    .I am old enough to be your mother or aunt….you ALL belong to us. You ARE the sons,grandsons, nephews that many of us weren’t fortunate to have You all are in our hearts and prayers.

  2. Sorry. I find this testimonial disturbing. It accuses the Army of murder. What seems un-Constitutional to me is the absence of due process for the Army.

  3. I had a similar situation while I was a platoon sergeant at Ft. Hood, Tx. in 1986. My platoon was deployed 150 miles west of the Ft. We were in MOPP 4, temperature was 105F +. We entrenched our vehicles, pounded into desert hard soil our grounding rods and set up our TOC. We erected GP Mediums, set up perimeters, unloaded all personal gear and established a weapons point. We established communications and had all equipment up and operational by days end. We were ordered to remain in MOPP 4. For nearly 4 days we held this MOPP level. By the second day, the females in my platoon … due to hygiene issues were sent back to base. I communicated to Bn. that we needed to be included in the divisions rotation for shower runs. I was informed that it would be done. The first week went by … no access to showers … temperatures still well over 100F and we were now down to MOPP 3. Cleaning and hygiene was limited to whaterver you could splash on yourself, wipe off and still maintain your MOPP level. At the start of the 2nd week we were finally down to MOPP 2 and by the end of the 2nd week MOPP 1. The water we were provided was for drinking only and we were still not included in any shower runs … nearby town was 30 miles away. I was communicating daily the need for hygiene and at least a weekly shower run. We were ignored. We had no transportation as all of our vehicles were grounded and “embedded” at the site with all vehicles totally camouflaged. By the 3rd week, it became apparent that members of the platoon (no females left) were suffering from bites, ticks, fungal infections etc. Still, the Bn Commander made no attempt to provide us with a shower run. 33 days later we left the site and made the trek back to Ft. Hood. The entire platoon had various hygiene issues … some major and all were being treated in the hospital and the local MEDDACs. I sent my after action report to the brigade commander and sent a copy to 111 Corps. Two days later, the Bn. Cdr along with the SGM and their assistants came “crashing” through the door of our maintenance shop. The colonel bellowed out “Where is sgt Wright” I gave all of my soldiers access to shower runs”. He continued to holler, bluster and announce his “displeasure” to the entire shop. I stood there and listened. He never came over to me but yelled to the whole shop. After a couple minutes “harangue” he stormed out. The following Monday, it was announced that the Bn. Cdr. had been relieved of duty. I stood my ground. No one in my platoon was recognized for the outstanding work we had completed under extremely harsh conditions but the men in my platoon stood by me. Medical records verified what I had reported in my After Action Report. Do the right thing because it is the right thing to do!

  4. Leaving your post or place of assignment is a wrong action period. There are other ways to gain attention to wrong action by the command.

  5. It is not clear why this “testimonial” is relevant to the Oath Keepers mission. Based on the words of William B as written, here are the facts of the case, and my comments:

    1. William B. “once had a chance to uphold my oath that wasn’t very popular.” I don’t know how William B. understands the oath, but it has nothing to do with popularity or happiness. It is to “obey…the orders of the officers appointed over me.” Unless they are either unconstitutional or unlawful, they are not optional.

    2. William B. did not like the orders he received because he wanted to be with his pregnant wife. Even so, he “went to the training, unhappy but following orders.” So far, William B. has not violated UCMJ.

    3. William B. “attempted to contact JAG, notify my NCOs that this was wrong and even brought it up with my Company Commander… No one was willing to say anything or do anything about this breach in responsibility. This was, as I feel, murder.” William B. felt his colonel was wrong and tried to tell others. Okay, that’s fine. Then he states that the colonel’s action was a “breach in responsibility.” Now William B’s opinion has gotten the better of him. According to who’s standards was there a “breach”? In any case, what did said “murder” have to do with William B?

    4. William B. decided to abandon his post and “took off across the desert,” to avoid the ordered training. He broke the law and his oath. Here are the relevant UCMJ maximum punishments:

    a. Article 87 – Missing Movement.

    (1) If the member missed the movement on purpose: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 2 years.

    b. Article 86 – Absent Without Leave.

    (8) If the member goes AWOL with the intent to avoid field exercises or maneuvers: Bad-conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 6 months.

    William B. was clearly let off easily for his admitted deliberate actions in violation of his oath. So what makes him an Oath Keeper? An even better question is why this testimonial was published as a representation of the Oath Keepers mission?

    David Dietrich

    1. Although I sympathize with William B., from the facts presented, I have to agree with David Dietrich.
      How were William B’s actions an example of keeping his oath? I was waiting for the “unlawful order” that he stood up to, but I didn’t see it. Did the commander order him personally to subject pregnant women to unsafe conditions that could lead to the deaths of their babies? If so, that might have qualified as keeping his oath, but the article didn’t mention it. Perhaps some relevant facts are missing from the article (maybe it was shortened for space considerations?), but the facts presented do not portray William B. as an Oathkeeper, although I sympathize with his plight.

  6. I guess you missed the military maxim that says, “Always follow the Chain of Command.” You can try to justify being a deserter however you will, but your actions went against legal orders, and had nothing whatsoever to do with honoring your oath. Further, you got exactly what you deserved for it. My little brother was a US Marine who did something similar to what you did, and I was the one who went and collected his sorry ass and turned him in. People like you and him cannot be allowed to get away with such things as it erodes the discipline of the Service as a whole. Military wives have born and raised children without their husbands around for thousands of years so that is about the lamest excuse in the world. And, whether its folks like you, or even my own family, I do not employ anyone with a less than honorable discharge, and I seriously question the intelligence of anyone who does. You and he have proven your mettle, and it is weak and untrustworthy.

    1. @ Dr. Clifford N. Alford

      Starting with the last first.

      “You and he have proven your mettle, and it is weak and untrustworthy.”

      It actually takes more mettle and strength to go against the flow, and VERY few have what it takes to report a wrong, or to stand against a wrong, or even to stand against an unlawful order which is why those that do are imprisoned if -and it should always be “when”, not “if – prosecuted.

      Like it or not, the Military has done many dirty deeds up to and including murder of those under their command.

      Fairly recently (few years) Panetta, Dempsey, and Obama committed the crime of TREASON against the American people and the US Constitution (actually multiple times). They openly declared their allegience was to the UN and NATO and gave American military for the UN and NATO’s use. That is unlawful and the crime of TREASON; plus for everyone who “just followed” orders it made them complicit in the crime(s) including First Degree Murder, etc, etc, etc.

      Yet they are not charged.

      The soldiers that REFUSED to wear the UN Military or accept UN command were HONORABLE and kept their Oath(s). They that refused to wear any military uniform but that of the American military they are under and they all are imprisoned.
      Yet they stood by and defended our nation and REFUSED to be used as a foreign entity’s military arm.

      Brigadier General Benton K. Partin (USAF, Ret.): “I am concerned that vital evidence will soon be destroyed with the pending demolition of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City. From all the evidence I have seen in the published material, I can say with a high level of confidence that the damage pattern on the reinforced concrete superstructure could not possibly have been attained from the single truck bomb without supplementing demolition charges at some of the reinforced column bases. The total incompatibility with a single truck bomb lies in the fact that either some of the columns collapsed that should not have collapsed or some of the columns are still standing that should have collapsed and did not.”

      James Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, before the U.S. Senate: We shall have a World government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”

      Justice Joseph Story: “This provision speaks for itself. Its plain object is to secure the perfect enjoyment of that great right of the common law, that a man’s house shall be his own castle, privileged against all civil and military intrusion.” – > Think of Boston, and the upcoming military combined with LE actions across multiple states.

      St. George Tucker: “The congress of the United States possesses no power to regulate, or interfere with the domestic concerns, or police of any state: it belongs not to them to establish any rules respecting the rights of property; nor will the constitution permit any prohibition of arms to the people;…” – > Yet, what have we going on today?

      But “just following orders” and “just doing your job” does not absolve one of the crime of Treason. Any miltary action that is not constitutional in nature, and for the last 40 – 50 years that is pretty much all of them – admittedly most of us did not realize it, but we SHOULD have. The US Constitution and the writings of our forefathers and framers tell us that.

      ONLY congress can declare war, and just because Bush 1 & 2 – okay and those before, the Clinton’s, plus Obama said that they can, it IS a lie and reading the US Constitution lets everyone know that.

      James Madison said that war “has the tendency to render the head too large for the body.” Madison concluded, “A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty.”

      Some education should you decide to read it.

      On Alliances:
      George Washington: “It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world. The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.”

      Thomas Jefferson: “I have ever deemed it fundamental for the United States never to take active part in the quarrels of Europe. Their political interests are entirely distinct from ours. Their mutual jealousies, their balance of power, their complicated alliances, their forms and principles of government, are all foreign to us. They are nations of eternal war. “

      John Quincy Adams: “America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She well knows that by enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standards of freedom.”

      Alexander Hamilton: “Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence.”

      War:
      James Madison: “The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature … the executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war.”

      George Washington: “The constitution vests the power of declaring war in Congress; therefore no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after they shall have deliberated upon the subject and authorized such a measure.”

      James Madison: “In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.”

      – > Yet look at the military following a presidents order to go attack a nation. Folowing the commands of a foreign entity.

      James Madison: “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied: and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. ”

      Notice what has happened within our nation, we are in “wars of agression” everywhere and NOT because we are under attack as is constitutionally REQUIRED. The Military must be called up, usually from the ranks of the already trained Militias not about everywhere as a permanent military. Now they are trying to use the (UN) military at home here against American citizens.

      So, are you going to “just follow orders” and ignore the higher requirement you swore an Oath to – if still enlisted or support the troops and orders of superiors? What do you do to keep YOUR Oath, YOUR committment to our nation and the US Constitution?

      Most of the higher brass is corrupt if not all of it, or we would NOT be were we are within our nation. I expect that it is very difficult to give up all that power, presitge, and $$ and shut down the US Military (remember, there is NO standing military allowed within the USA) so they started or joined forces with those working to destroy our nation from within.

      Don’t like my words? Prove me wrong. I’d love it if you could, but I do not believe that you can. But I fear that you cannot.

      “the military maxim that says, “Always follow the Chain of Command.””

      No, the Oath is one’s First Loyalty and IT requires that ALL Oathtakers, military or non military SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE US CONSTITUTION FIRST AND ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, including the orders of any superior – if any, and the duties of the position being occupied.

      The ONLY Oath with a real difference is the one for all US Presidents which hold those that enter that position to a higher standard, that of PRESERVING, PROTECTING, AND DEFENDING THE US CONSTITUTION.

      “… our loving and thoughtful Colonel had forced EVERY SOLDIER, no matter what their status was, to attend this training so that he could have 99% attendance ….”

      One of the biggest requirements of our US Constitution, Declaration of Indepence, our legitimate government is one must NOT do harm to another deliberately except in the legitimate defense of our nation, themselves, or another from attack. It is also what our nation is founded upon.

      That order obviously did harm, and since no regard was taken for anyone’s circumstances under his command, and that it was not a live/death situation within a lawfully declared war, I believe William B. kept his Oath by trying to stop the damage going on to the pregnant women under the command.

      “Military wives have born and raised children without their husbands around for thousands of years so that is about the lamest excuse in the world.”

      There was nothing in there about military wives except that he was missing his, READ it. Female pregnant soldiers were ordered out… and they were injured, deaths caused.

      “Then I found out that shortly after arriving, 1 female soldier had died due to an accidental overdose on the medication she had been given to help her cope with the pain of being pregnant. She was NOT supposed to attend this training being pregnant. She and the baby were lost, and another female lost the baby she was pregnant with due to the harsh conditions set when training out in the field. She, as well, was not supposed to attend that training… Colonel had forced EVERY SOLDIER, no matter what their status was, to attend this training so that he could have 99% attendance…”

      Thank you for your service all. I do mean it.

      But I hope the information I have passed on here makes people think about what is going on, who most likely is behind these actions or onboard with them.

      Few bother to understand what their Oath entails and requires of them anymore. I do not blame you, but I do hope that you (generic) start questioning more often and that you READ the US Constitution many times so that it can be better understood.

      1. Cal,

        You spent a lot of time presenting thoughts irrelevant to this case. Fortunately, you eventually come around. Since you make the challenge to “prove me wrong,” I’ll do just that. It’s actually quite easy. Have you ever served in the military? Do you even know the meaning of orders? Simply read Article 92 of UCMJ. As it happens, orders are one thing that differentiates the military from any other service or vocation. If you disobey them, you will suffer serious consequences.

        You state on the one hand, “the Oath is one’s First Loyalty and IT requires that ALL Oathtakers, military or non military SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE US CONSTITUTION FIRST AND ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, including the orders of any superior – if any, and the duties of the position being occupied.” In this I agree.

        First of all, have you even read an oath of office? There is a significant difference between the military and civilian oath. And second, none of them state, “first and above anything else.”

        But then you insert some mamby-pamby liberal nonsense into your argument: “One of the biggest requirements of our US Constitution, Declaration of Indepence, our legitimate government is one must NOT do harm to another deliberately except in the legitimate defense of our nation, themselves, or another from attack. It is also what our nation is founded upon.” I had to laugh at this one. Please show your readers the section, article, or clause wherein is written such a notion.

        It seems that you think it’s perfectly all right for a military member to desert his post because he feels that he’d rather be doing something else or someone else is doing something wrong. Well, you are quite mistaken in this trite notion. Feelings don’t enter the equation. Your desire to conflate constitutionality with good order and discipline is another example of why Oath Keepers and our Constitutional Republic is in trouble.

        You finish your ungrounded argument with “few bother to understand what their Oath entails and requires of them anymore. I do not blame you, but I do hope that you (generic) start questioning more often and that you READ the US Constitution many times so that it can be better understood.” Disobeying an order has serious consequences. Orders that make you feel bad are not unconstitutional. Your understanding of both orders and the Constitution are seriously flawed. Read and learn the meaning of both before you attempt to support bad behavior. Checkmate. Proven wrong. Case closed.

        David Dietrich

        1. The US Constitution IS the SUPREME LAW of this nation, Article 92 of UCMJ comes AFTER – and that is always. Supreme means that these is nothing higher.

          “First of all, have you even read an oath of office? There is a significant difference between the military and civilian oath. And second, none of them state, “first and above anything else.””

          The most important part of the Oath is at the beginning, and it uses the MOST amount of words in describing ones duty to the US Constitution.

          Below are military and civilian Oaths, please notice that they ALL start with the swearing to support and defend the US Constitution FIRST, again using the most words describing the Oathtakers duty to the US Constitution – and pretty much the same words.

          Notice that the importance of presidents and officers orders along with the UCMJ are all lumped below in ONE (almost last) sentence. They are of the least importance compared to the US Constitution. In the English language, when constructing a sentence, or legal/lawful Oath/document, etc those things at the top are properly the most important, etc. Though within our government admittedly those domestic enemies do slide some very important things in at the literal last minute and at the bottom.

          I have read and studied them, plus taken one. I feel it is important when swearing to give ones life that one understands what that life is being offered for.

          If you took an Oath different from these that was a governmental Oath (the US military is government) then it is important that you put it here, because the US Constitution sets what one must swear to do, and that has NOT changed. So if there is a different Oath being used then it is incorrect and that would mean that all Military/etc that took that/those Oath(s) does not have any lawful standing for their actions.

          Military:
          “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

          “I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

          National Guard:
          “I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.

          Marines:
          “I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

          Civil
          US President:
          “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

          Everyone else:
          “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

          The meanings of the words in the Oath might help to understand the Oathtakers role.

          “I”- an individual, person, citizen, one member of the whole, officer;
          “do” – perform, accomplish, act, carry out, complete, achieve, execute; “solemnly”- somberly, gravely, seriously, earnestly, sincerely, firmly, fervently, with thought and ceremony;
          “swear (or affirm)” – vow, pledge, promise, guarantee;
          “that I will” – a positive phrase confirming present and future action, momentum, determination, resolve, responsibility, willpower, and intention;
          “support” – uphold, bear, carry, sustain, maintain;
          “and defend” – protect, guard, preserve, secure, shield, look after;
          “the Constitution of the United States.”

          Significantly the oath is to support and defend the Constitution and not an individual, leader, ruler, office, or entity. This is because the Constitution is based on lasting principles of sound government that provide balance, stability, and consistency through time. A government based on individuals – who are inconsistent, fallible, corruptible, and often prone to error – too easily leads to tyranny on the one extreme or anarchy on the other.

          Does the founders words and the Declaration of Independence (which is what makes the US Constitution lawful) count to you?

          “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”.

          I would say that ” Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” falls into the category which you are laughing about (BTW, glad to supply the humor.), ““One of the biggest requirements of our US Constitution, Declaration of Indepence, our legitimate government is one must NOT do harm to another deliberately except in the legitimate defense of our nation, themselves, or another from attack. It is also what our nation is founded upon.” I had to laugh at this one.'”

          But if you feel that is not so, then does this phrase ring any bells for you? “… to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

          Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence: “Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.”

          John Adams: “It should be your care, therefore, and mine, to elevate the minds of our children and exalt their courage; to accelerate and animate their industry and activity; to excite in them an habitual contempt of meanness, abhorrence of injustice and inhumanity, and an ambition to excel in every capacity, faculty, and virtue. If we suffer their minds to grovel and creep in infancy, they will grovel all their lives”.

          John Adams: “The foundation of national morality must be laid in private families…. How is it possible that Children can have any just Sense of the sacred Obligations of Morality or Religion if, from their earliest Infancy, they learn their Mothers live in habitual Infidelity to their fathers, and their fathers in as constant Infidelity to their Mothers?”

          Patrick Henry: “It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.”

          Patrick Henry: “Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom.”

          Samuel Adams: “He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of this country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man… The sum of all is, if we would most truly enjoy this gift of Heaven, let us become a virtuous people.”

          Thomas Jefferson: “No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him.”

          Thomas Jefferson: “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual”.

          Thomas Jefferson: “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

          Thomas Jefferson: “The Founders believed that all men are created equal and that they have certain inalienable rights. All are also obliged to obey the natural law, under which we have not only rights but duties. We are obliged ‘to respect those rights in others which we value in ourselves.”

          Before you say that our nation was not founded on religion, in a way you are correct, but moreso you are incorrect.

          Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

          “It seems that you think it’s perfectly all right for a military member to desert his post because he feels that he’d rather be doing something else or someone else is doing something wrong.”

          I do not take dessertion any more lightly then anyone else. But when what is basically a training exercise is going on, and – if his statement is correct – to increase the chance of ones advancement better, it is costing lives then something had to be done.

          And I quote from the article, “contact JAG, notify my NCOs that this was wrong and even brought it up with my Company Commander… No one was willing to say anything or do anything about this breach in responsibility.”

          It is not as if he did not try, but like the “thin blue line” lawfulness and lives mattered not when it is a “brother in arms”.

          “Your desire to conflate constitutionality with good order and discipline is another example of why Oath Keepers and our Constitutional Republic is in trouble.”

          That very attitude is why many military and LE’s will most likely fire on Americans on US soil, committing Treason. Their nation, their families, the American people matter less to them then their “brothers in arms”. That has been pounded in to both the (what used to be the US) UN Military and American LE’s.

          No, we as a nation is in trouble because we have a country full of people ignorant of what our Constitutional Republic is, what the Oath is – PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that goes into legal responsibility for ones actions or nonactions.

          “good order and discipline” is not the problem here at OK, but the people who have no real concept of what our nation requires of them is. Every able-bodied person within the USA is constitutionally required to be armed and trained as the Congress requires the US Military, except that each person does not do it as a job/career (nor should they as a “standing military” is unlawful here).

      2. “Like it or not, the Military has done many dirty deeds up to and including murder of those under their command.”

        But that doesn’t mean the Army killed anybody in this case. It’s wrong to accuse the Army of murder without due diligence to justify these actions. That’s the only Constitutional issue I see here.

        “It actually takes more mettle and strength to go against the flow, and VERY few have what it takes to report a wrong, or to stand against a wrong, or even to stand against an unlawful order which is why those that do are imprisoned if -and it should always be “when”, not “if – prosecuted. ”

        First time I heard this premise was from Vietnam draft dodgers justifying their flights to Canada.

        1. “But that doesn’t mean the Army killed anybody in this case.”

          “1 female soldier had died due to an accidental overdose on the medication she had been given to help her cope with the pain of being pregnant. She was NOT supposed to attend this training being pregnant. She and the baby were lost, and another female lost the baby”

          But only a female and some children so they qualify as nobody correct?

          me – ““It actually takes more mettle and strength to go against the flow, and VERY few have what it takes to report a wrong, or to stand against a wrong, or even to stand against an unlawful order …””

          Gus, “First time I heard this premise was from Vietnam draft dodgers justifying their flights to Canada.”

          That is funny.

          How many who serve within the military or as an LE of any rank turn in another who also serves within the military/LEA who are committing crimes? If they do become a whistleblower for turning in a crime committed by the “brother in arms” or the “thin blue line” what happens to them?

          Those selfsame “brothers” turn on a good person turning in a CRIME, some LE’s, and yea I personally know one, get those that are to back them up never show, etc. The choice is always the “brother”, good or bad over right or wrong, our nation or…

          That is NOT a US Military, read the history of those imprisoned and get back here and tell all when it changed from criminal actions being committed to those revealing those criminal actions. If you dare to maybe change your outlook.

          Let me put it this way, as long as YOU stand for the US Constitution, the American people, our nation first, I will die for you if need be. That is where I stand, and it IS black and white for me.

          Nope, not a draft dodger if that is what you are implying, though if they implement the draft as they are trying to do since enrollment has dropped a LOT I agree with them as they should NOT be forced to join the enforcement arm of the UN military because it is no longer the US military.

  7. Nope, not buying this guys very weak argument. You may only disobey an order if it is immoral, illegal or unethical. This guy may disagree with the colonel’s motives for the deployment, but he cant miss movement to prove a point that is not his to make. He created a separate issue by missing movement or abandoning his assigned post. The correct way to have handled this would have been for him to finish the deployment exercise, then report the issue to the IG after exhausting the complaint thru the chain of command. It was the place of those two females to disobey the order as immoral, illegal or unethical on behalf of their children and their personal lives…not his.

  8. William, I appreciate you and love knowing there are men out there with integrity. Although I haven’t lost my benefits, I do feel like I have lost my soul being a teacher in the NYC school system. I try to stand for all that is good and American which goes against the socialist/humanist teachings. I am treated like a second class citizen and it really impacts me negatively. But your story encourages me. Bless you.

  9. William, First of all the actions of the military were in fact appropriate. You were a soldier, expected to carry out your general orders without exception. If I were serving with you, I would have supported your ideals, but not your actions. Your integrity as a soldier is zip because you abandoned your post. Any officer has to stand on the merits of their own decisions and orders. Your commander is no exception. You failed to use the chain of command. You should have documented the incidents, and forwarded them to the JAG and appropriate commanding officers, including your own. Yes, there would have been fall out. You might have been digging latrines for a while. At some point though, you would have been hailed as a hero instead of a deserter. Your actions during peace time is deplorable, in combat, you may have gotten yourself and your fellow soldiers killed. Just like practicing for the Sunday football game, you have to practice like it’s the real thing. That is how people stay alive in combat. Counting on your fellow soldier, and them being able to count on you. Soldiers are expected to endure hardships. I have, and many of those I served with have. One of my first duties at my first duty station was to bag a body of a fellow crew member because of an accident. Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen DIE. It’s a fact we have to live with when we put on that uniform. I hope you have learned your lesson in life. Put this behind you, and never make that mistake again. Your integrity is like your virginity.. once it’s gone.. it’s gone forever. There should never be a price tag on your integrity. That is my advice to you.

  10. This testimonial is triggering my BS meter. From the information you’ve presented, I’d say you violated your oath and deserted your post. You attempt to justify your desertion based on alleged harm to two female service members who were pregnant. You also attempt to validate your desertion as honorable because some were relieved of their command.

    As a Medical Officer, I’ve never seen any command’s readiness numbers negatively impacted by those who are not medically fit for a given training. Never! Especially a pregnant female. All senior enlisted and officers know this. As such, those two pregnant females could not possibly impact the readiness or percentage trained as you claim. They simply would be considered ineligible for that training and would not be counted period! I suspect the truth is either those females didn’t know they were pregnant or hid the fact that they were pregnant.

    Nonetheless, what order were you given that was unlawful? If every service member up and deserted whenever they were given an order or assignment they didn’t agree with or didn’t like, they’d be nobody left to complete the mission. You took an oath to obey the orders given you so long as they are lawful.

    For me, you tipped your hand in the very start of your testimonial when you expressed your displeasure about having to attend training when your wife was expecting in ONE or TWO WEEKS! Seriously? That was the real reason you deserted. Wasn’t it?

    Members of the Oath Keepers would be wise to think critically at all times and be very careful about whom and what we support. This story reeks of BS in my opinion; more like that of an “Oath Breaker” as opposed to an “Oath Keeper”.

    1. Navy Doc,

      Outstanding response! I couldn’t have said it better myself. And it is your last admonition that is most effective. If Oath Keepers leadership doesn’t take the time to articulate the real meaning of the Oath of Office and what it means to keep it, I’m afraid the organization will become just another MINO (moral in name only) institution like the Boy Scouts.

      David Dietrich

    2. It follows that it was not a very wonderful action, or contrary to the common practice of mankind, if we did accept an empire that was offered to us, and refused to give it up under the pressure of three of the strongest motives, fear, honor, and interest. And it was not we who set the example, for it has always been law that the weaker should be subject to the stronger. Besides, we believed ourselves to be worthy of our position, and so you thought us till now, when calculations of interest have made you take up the cry of justice- a consideration which no one ever yet brought forward to hinder his ambition when he had a chance of gaining anything by might. And praise is due to all who, if not so superior to human nature as to refuse dominion, yet respect justice more than their position compels them to do.
      — Thucydides, in The History of the Peloponnesian War, translated by Richard Crawley

      Having grown up under the direction of a marine WWII vet, my father, and having served USAF during the political cluster “f” of Viet Nam, and learning the art of what is the right thing to do and live by ones principles and adhere to the core values we learned and acquired, and our constitutional oath, In my own course of self leadership I believe that the first order of business is to take care of your own house, spirit and take care of your affairs, else one helpless to assist others or country. It is a responsibility to others who might depend on you that your head is straight. One cannot perform their station in life or duty to oath and country if they themselves are remiss with this basic premise. From that, in reading the above, a pregnant woman has the obligation to respectfully decline an order or any other situation that would be contrary in caring for her own “house” to protect her child as well as her self. Thus, taking care of herself first, cares for her unborn child.

      I see your response to “run away” as about as weak minded, spineless, childish, and irresponsible as one could be. If you have a beef, go to the commander, I.G., or whatever avenue you must in your desire for justice. But you gave up because nothing was happening your way. Running is a dereliction of duty to yourself and to others, and that coarse of action delegitimatizes your character. There is no courage in not facing the situation head on. You dishonored those women of whom you speak of who lost their life and the life of their child.

      I must agree with David Dietrich on the solidness of what our Oath Keepers stand for. I have friends who never served who have a sincere steadfast dedication to our core values and oath to our constitution who I would not give a second thought to go into battle with.

  11. There is never a wrong time to do the right thing, and our GOD sees all, your sacrifice has been noted and duly marked and recorded, GOD bless you.

  12. I believe the initial post is bullshit.

    Very strange language and scenario. Who is this person??

    Kent W. Phillips
    CPT, AR
    veteran and oath keeper

  13. William…WTFO! We all had hardships, but the most important thing we had was our Oath! The best two things that happened to me (72-74) I enlisted and took that oath! Did it again as a cop. In all the years that went by I don’t recall doing an un-oath! I appreciate your position, but troop you need to let it go. I also agree with Captain Phillips!

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