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NEW YORK OATH KEEPERS REFUTE ACCUSATIONS BY STATE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

NEW YORK OATH KEEPERS REFUTE ACCUSATIONS BY STATE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

Our New York State Chapter has written a letter of demand to the New York State Intelligence Center (NYSIC). Our New York Oath Keepers officers seek a public correction of that report which would exclude the use of our name in conjunction with “extremists” who may be considered “threats to law enforcement” and may be considered “anti-government”.

The document to which NYOK is responding is available at the Infowars website:

http://www.infowars.com/leaked-counter-terrorism-bulletin-warns-police-of-impending-far-right-violence/

It is also available on the New York Oath Keeper website. It’s a quick read, but an important one:

http://www.newyorkoathkeeper.com/NYSIC-Bulletin-2014-0612.pdf

Further, Bill Cooper has sent to me a link which shows the NYSIC to function with the Department of Homeland Security’s fusion center for the State of New York, which of course means that the SPLC’s influence graces the perceptions presented in that report on dangerous extremists – you know, people who voted for Ron Paul or who disapprove of U.S. involvement with the United Nations, etc. Here is that link:

http://www.dhses.ny.gov/oct/prevent-protect-prepare/index.cfm

From that page:

“The Office of Counter Terrorism (OCT) supports federal, state, local, tribal and private sector efforts to prevent terrorism in variety of ways. Through the Safeguard New York program, OCT educates public and private sector stakeholders on how to spot and report suspicious activity that may be linked to terrorism. Safeguard New York promotes the “See Something, Say Something” campaign and the State’s terrorism tips line (1-866-723-3967). Members of the OCT Intelligence Unit also staff the New York State Intelligence Center (NYSIC). Managed by the New York State Police, the NYSIC serves as the State’s Fusion Center, bringing together federal, state and local agencies to analyze and share information related to terrorism and other crimes. Additionally, OCT provides terrorism threat briefings, counter terrorism training and grant resources used for programs and initiatives aimed at preventing and/or mitigating acts of terrorism.”

Did we pay attention to that part which said, “Managed by the New York State Police, the NYSIC serves as the State’s Fusion Center, bringing together federal, state and local agencies to analyze and share information related to terrorism and other crimes.” Fusion Centers, more than 70 of them at last count, are the connection between the Federal government and your local cop on the beat. Fusion Centers also are in liaison relationship with the U.S. Military and the U.S. Intelligence community. They are also in a cozy relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center’s psychotic geniuses who sell profiles of American social institutions, peoples, and cultural habits to the DHS and Pentagon. The SPLC not only helps DHS create the “new enemy” (Domestic Terrorists), it also trains police forces around the nation – maybe your own local police force.

The fingerprints of the SPLC are all over this NYSIC report to which New York Oath Keepers are objecting, and Oath Keepers national stands firmly behind the New York chapter in this request for a correction. It is very important that government error be confronted in meaningful ways. Our good neighbors in New York Oath Keepers have done so with this letter to the NYSIC.


Oath Keepers national salutes the good work of the New York Oath Keepers leadership. They’ve given the national Oath Keepers mission a great example. All Oath Keepers will enjoy reading, below, this firmly-hitting letter to the New York State Intelligence Center. We hope that the NYSIC will accept NYOK’s request for a meeting, and if NYSIC does agree to that meeting, I will ask Bill Cooper and his officers to furnish us with a detailed report of the outcome. Below is the text of their letter to the NYSIC.

Salute!

Elias Alias, editor

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NEW YORK OATH KEEPERS REFUTE ACCUSATIONS BY STATE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

NEW YORK OATH KEEPERS REFUTE ACCUSATIONS
BY STATE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

On June 12, 2014, the New York State Intelligence Center (NYSIC), which is managed by the New York State Police, issued New York State Counter Terrorism Bulletin: CTM 14-07: Recent Spike in Violence Targeting Law Enforcement. In that bulletin, the NYSIC referred to three recent attacks on Law Enforcement Officers in the month of June, one in Canada and two in the United States. The bulletin stated:

“Based upon reporting it appears all the suspects in these incidents were motivated by elements of a far right anti-government ideology with a particular fixation on law enforcement.”

Here is a summary of the three incidents that the NYSIC used to justify their unwarranted connection to the New York Oath Keepers and other constitutional Liberty groups in New York State.

Incident #1: On June 4, 2014, Justin Bourque, a 24-year-old male in New Brunswick, Canada, with no criminal record, shot and killed three Royal Canadian Mounted Police Officers and was later captured. The report states: “…he struggled to hold a job, turned to drugs, and became increasingly obsessed with guns (particularly the ongoing U.S. gun debate which has spilled over to a lesser degree to Canada) and abuses by police.”

In reviewing Incident #1, where, exactly, is the connection to the New York Oath Keepers and other NY Liberty groups?

Incident #2: On June 6, 2014, Dennis Marx, a 48-year-old male in Forsyth County, Georgia, was shot and killed by Deputies trying to enter the county courthouse with a so-called “assault” rifle, body armor, an assortment of grenades, ammunition, food, water and flexible handcuffs. The NYSIC bulletin states: “Marx was scheduled to appear before a judge at the courthouse that morning on eleven felony drug and weapons charges. As to motive, Marx had long running issues with law enforcement and was a self-identified sovereign citizen.”

Again, in reviewing Incident #2, where, exactly, is the connection to the New York Oath Keepers and other NY Liberty groups?

Incident #3: On June 8, 2014, Jerad and Amanda Miller shot and killed two police officers, and a civilian who tried to stop them in Las Vegas. “…the Millers draped a Gadsden flag (‘Don’t Tread on Me’) over one dead officer, left a swastika on the other, and a note that said: ‘This is the start of the revolution.’” They then fled to a local Wal-Mart with the officers’ guns and ammunition. Additionally, they had: MRE-style food, knives and first aid supplies. They died in a shootout with police at that Wal-Mart.

The NYSIC bulletin also stated: “Jerad Miller had over a decade long criminal history in multiple states, including misdemeanor battery and drug trafficking.” Additionally, the bulletin indicated that, “Jerad and Amanda Miller had also traveled to Bundy’s ranch in Nevada, although they were reportedly asked to leave for being too radical and due to Jerad’s criminal record.”

In reviewing Incident #3, we again ask: Where, exactly, is the connection to the New York Oath Keepers and other NY Liberty groups?

The NYSIC bulletin goes on to assert: “Michael Brian Vanderboegh, a longtime militia member and founder of the III Percent Patriot Movement, which was supported by Jerad and Amanda Miller, traveled to NYS at least once in 2013 to speak to the Liberty Oath Keepers meeting in Monticello, NY.”

NOTE: For the sake of accuracy, Mr. Vanderboegh founded the “National III (Three) Percent Movement,” NOT the “III Percent Patriot Movement.” They are different entities. Plus, Vanderboegh is on record saying, what he created is “a movement, NOT a militia, NOT an organization that can be infiltrated, co-opted or broken up …it’s an ideal.” Also worthy of distinction, the Millers were NOT his supporters.

NO RATIONAL CONNECTION

So, what exactly caused those who authored the NYSIC bulletin to make the determination that we are a far-right extremist organization, posing a threat to police, when the New York Oath Keepers had absolutely nothing to do with the aforementioned incidents?

Are the good people of New York State expected to go along with NYSIC’s faulty logic and misstatements of fact? Are they expected to ignore the truth—that there is absolutely no rational connection between these three incidents and New York Oath Keepers? Further, can the good people of New York have any confidence in an “intelligence” center that uses such faulty logic to publicly demonize an organization whose clearly stated purpose is to encourage OUR Military and Law Enforcement Officers, and others, to honor their oath? Can any reasonable person conclude that any or all of these three incidents justify the NYSIC classifying the New York Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist organization?

Are we now to presume that the County Sheriffs, District Attorneys, law enforcement officers and other public officials, who regularly speak at New York Oath Keepers’ meetings, are also now, by association, far-right extremists? Using the connecting methodology of the NYSIC, the Sheriffs and other invited guest speakers of New York Oath Keepers must also be considered far-right extremists. After all, they spoke before the same group as Mr. Vanderboegh and are, therefore, connected.

EVIDENCE?

Here is another important piece of so-called “evidence” outlined in this bulletin that caused this State agency to wrongly identify the New York Oath Keepers as far-right extremists: “The Oath Keepers is an organization composed of current and former military and law enforcement personnel, who take a pledge to ‘not obey unconstitutional orders such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as enemy combatants.’”

Is NYSIC suggesting that it is extreme and threatening to encourage our officials to honor their oath and refuse to obey unconstitutional orders?

Perhaps the people who wrote this NYSIC bulletin are unaware that U.S. military personnel, local law enforcement officers, and private armed government contractors illegally searched for and seized firearms from law-abiding citizens in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, making them vulnerable to looters or other criminals and unable to protect themselves. (The actions of these officials were later found to be unconstitutional.)

Perhaps the people who wrote this NYSIC bulletin are unaware that New Orleans police officers shot six American citizens, two of whom died, simply for crossing the Danziger Bridge trying to survive the devastation and death that Hurricane Katrina brought to New Orleans. (Five New Orleans police officers were later convicted of murder.)

Perhaps the people who wrote this NYSIC bulletin are unaware of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2012, 2013, and 2014, and the dangerous provisions that authorize the federal government or their appointees the power to detain, indefinitely and without trial, any person suspected of terrorist activity or associations, or thought to “represent an enduring security threat to the United States.”

OVERLAPPING MEMBERSHIPS?

Here is the final charge outlined in the NYSIC bulletin that caused them to identify the New York Oath Keepers as far-right extremists:

“There have been multiple observed instances of overlapping membership in the Oath Keepers and the III Percent Patriots, and the Oath Keepers’ founder has spoken supportively of the III Percent Patriot Movement.” (As cited previously, the National III Percent Movement that Vanderboegh founded is an ideal or goal to be reached. Again, Vanderboegh does NOT have an organized membership and is NOT connected to the “III Percent Patriots,” as incorrectly implied by the NYSIC.)

INTIMIDATION TACTICS?

It appears that the NYSIC bulletin is using the same cookie-cutter formula used in the infamous report from the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC): MIAC Strategic Report: The Modern Militia Movement, dated February 20, 2009. The MIAC report indicated that if someone is opposed to abortion, illegal immigration, the United Nations, and other issues, this justified considering them a potentially dangerous “militia member,” simply because of his/her stance on these issues. Furthermore, under the heading, “Political Paraphernalia,” the report stated, “Militia members most commonly associate with 3rd party political groups. It is not uncommon for militia members to display Constitutional Party, Campaign for Liberty, or Libertarian material. These members are usually supporters of former Presidential Candidates: Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr.” It is important to note that after a nationwide swell of public outrage, on March 25, 2009, the Missouri State Highway Patrol rightly removed the MIAC report from circulation.

Are we to believe that the NYSIC is consciously engaging in the same type of misinformation campaign, and largely, for the same reasons: to harass, profile, and intimidate those they deem as political opposition? Why would anyone, especially public officials, intentionally slander New York Oath Keepers? The Oath Keepers are simply encouraging those currently serving to honor their oath, which always provides the benefits of protecting the natural rights of their fellow New Yorkers—as mandated in the Constitution. We are NOT far-right extremists, nor do we pose a danger to law enforcement.

GOOD GOVERNMENT

This nation was founded on the principle that free men had the right and duty to act according to their conscience, and to support and speak about the means to achieve the most honorable representation in government. But instead, those not interested in honest debate seek to divert attention from real issues by routinely mischaracterizing their opposition as: rogue, subversive, uncaring, racist, extremist and anti-government.

The New York Oath Keepers fully understand that the Law Enforcement Officers in New York State are one of the last lines of defense against the growing lawlessness of our own state and federal government officials. So please keep in mind that we are your fellow law enforcement officers, military members, firefighters and other first-responders. We are your brothers and sisters, your fathers and mothers, your relatives, your friends, your neighbors down the street. We are small business owners and a multitude of other honorable New Yorkers who are committed to supporting and obeying constitutional laws.

REACH. TEACH. INSPIRE.

The New York Oath Keepers’ mission is to encourage and persuade all Law Enforcement Officers and all sworn government officials, to honor their oath.

We stand shoulder to shoulder with the good people of New York—including honorable Law Enforcement Officers—in defense of Liberty and in opposition to unconstitutional laws that deny the People and their Posterity their natural, unalienable, God-given rights.

IN CLOSING

If the goal of NYSIC is to achieve a high-standard of credibility, which is based on truth and fairness, we highly suggest, and in fact insist, that the officials at this agency initiate a public correction, indicating their error of classifying New York Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist group and/or a threat to law enforcement.

Lastly, New York Oath Keepers formally request a meeting with officials at NYSIC and the agencies associated with them. We will answer questions and clarify the Oath Keepers’ Mission. Of course, we will have questions as well.

Respectfully,

William Cooper, President, New York Oath Keepers (former Sgt. US Air Force)

John Wallace, Vice President, New York Oath Keepers (US Army-NYARNG; Lt. Col. NYSP Ret)

Dan Devlin, Vice President, New York Oath Keepers (MP US Army; PHX, AZ PD)

Frank Morganthaler, Vice President, New York Oath Keepers (USMC; Lt. FDNY Ret)

John Mahoney, Special Advisor, New York Oath Keepers (Sgt NYPD Ret; USMC; Special Forces Trainer, US Army Ret)

Link to the New York Oath Keeper Reply to NYSIC Bulletin in pdf format:

http://www.newyorkoathkeeper.com/NYOathKeepersReply-to-NYSIC-Bulletin-2014-0806.pdf

© 2014 New York Oath Keepers. All Rights Reserved.

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44 comments

  1. You people just can’t wrap your mind around reality of current situation in O Amerika.
    “Anyone and Everyone who LOVES: AMERICA, FREEDOM. LIBERTY, JUSTICE, rule of law,
    or the Constitution, ARE ALL CONSIDERED ENEMIES of the Tyrant King O.
    Tyrant King O and goons, will try to threaten and intimidate you into silence.
    You must understand, “O HATES America and middle class America.”
    O is a CRIMINAL TRAITOR.
    -They are in control of most ALL media.
    -They are in control of politicians. There are NOT two parties. They are the SAME.
    -They are PURGING the USA Military.
    -They have built up a “Republican Guard” called DHS.
    It is called TREASON.
    Impeach and Arrest.

  2. Awesome…let us see what the true perverters of truth have to say for themselves. They need to start with a retraction then an apology and then a statement of truth. America is waking up…we can see and read and smell the lies now very quickly and easily. The propaganda does not work anymore.

  3. It is evident the Constitution and those who stand by it are black listed by the present administration. It stands in the way of their power to rule over us. It bothers them that Americans want to be free. There has been a 180 degree turn by our government from what our founding fathers gave us in 1787. Those principles were what made America a nation free from tyranny. Our Oath signifies our loyalty to our country and it’s people. We will not back down and turn against what we believe to be the Rule of Law. We will keep our Oath and uphold it to the letter.

  4. Thank you to the NYOK for engaging the NYSIC with this letter. It is a testament to the peacefull intentions of our organization to work with and for honorable law enforcment and military personnel who wish to uphold their oaths to preserve and protect the constitution.

    Wile the report is troubling and the three incidents above had nothing to do with our organization, to say there is no connection is not correct. Some of the ideals and symbols we hold dear are present, all be them perverted by these criminals. The it is easy for them to draw these misguided and possibly politically motivated conclusions, that we are connected or substantially similar. To those uneducated in the ideals of liberty and freedom or opposed to them altogether we may seem extreme in our beliefs.

    It is my sincere desire that this letter does not fall on deaf ears.

  5. In Obama’s first few months as president he had DHS tell all law enforcement that veterans and disabled vets could be right wing extremists and domestic terrorists which told me what Obama was all about. This to me is a prelude to a civil war that Obama wants. Everything i have witnessed shows me Oath Keepers are honorable patriots and i am glad you are here!

  6. This is disturbing,

    When I joined O.K. is was to pledge that I would not obey unconstitutional orders against American citizens. No where does it state in the bylaws that I would use force against authorities to fulfill that oath. I agree that this document should be amended, but I am pretty sure that any retraction would be like the newspaper where they put it on the back page in fine print which no one reads.

  7. Oath Keepers are exactly what the words say and imply .
    It is within the oath taken by every Cop, Soldier that they not obey an unlawful order.
    I hope we never have to decide what we need do to be right but if we do, I know we will not only be right but we will be lawfully right , morally right and not intimidated by a lawless congress, populace or any other group that is willing to dismantle our constitutional rights.
    Respectfully,
    R.E. Celentano

  8. USAF Veteran. 30 year municipal street cop. Numerous comendations for valor. I support my brothers and sisters in New York. You have more friends in the law enforcement community than you know. Stay safe and keep speaking the truth.

  9. It seems that more attention and innuendo on organizations similar to the Oath Keepers is being used by law enforcement as has been prescribe by AG Holder via President Obama to nullify and ostracize these organizations and strengthen their position for a military take over if they deem necessary. I believe each city needs some type of counter and protective measure in case of a government mandated law enforcement takeover. Gun confiscation, road checks and illegal and mistaken home invasions which seems to be occurring frequently over the country. In the days of Paul Revere, it was a “call to arms” via horseback, and with the intrusion of gov’t on the internet we may have to resort to a similar type device.

  10. There are people in New York Oath Keepers from all parts of the political spectrum. Congressman Tom Reed rants about the “Ithaca (NY) Mindset” in his speeches, and a lot of us live in the Ithaca area precisely because we like a lot of that “mindset”. Personally, I have ran a non-profit Native American religious association since 1994, moved to New Mexico in 2002, and by 2005 I was running the only successful Minute Man organization (in that the State and Feds were forced to secure the
    New Mexico border with Mexico, and it is till so.) New Mexico Border Watch was vetted and sanctioned by Jim Gilchrist. At the same time, I was also the President of the Board for the Southern Chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union until the National ACLU kicked all of our 550 members who said that I had a Constitutional right to be a Minute Man if I wanted to. The point here is, most people who know me would call me a moderate to possibly liberal “tree hugger” Libertarian who loves the US Constitution, and honors his Oath to uphold and defend it. And, we have lots of other Oath Keepers here in New York who have some similar views with four of us being in the Oath Keepers of the Southern Tier Chapter.

    There is also proof of this nationwide. In any number of discussions on this website, when some people have expressed far-right wing ideas then there are usually a fair number of us who set them straight about our not being like them. I recall one such discussion where someone said that this is a Christian nation, and Jews, Hindus and Native Americans all set hi straight on that one. I personally know a large contingent of retired US Special Forces soldiers in Oklahoma, with
    whom I served, who are Democrats and members of Oath Keepers.

    All of this proves that the people who wrote this spurious report are bunch of ill informed idiots who don’t know what they are talking about. Pity them for their ignorance.

  11. as all can see…false words and lies ..trump truth and facts….in this country..state after state….and the same evil scumbags are behind every accusation ….history will repeat in this Republic as arrogance and deceit will overstep their limits…..there will be a day of judgement and it fast approaches….Semper Fi

  12. You are laying sandbags to stop the tsunami. The Feral Gov and it’s sycophants are going to eliminate any opposition to it’s NWO agenda. NSA is gathering the data as I type. You doth protest like a TP group of retirees, which unfortunately we mostly are, and no match for militarized police in their 20’s and 30’s. So in that regard your action makes “sense”, but is still futility asking the authorities for your civil rights.

  13. Operation Vigilant Eagle is probably the head of the snake that is persecuting veterans. It was propagated out of the DOJ and disseminated thru the FBI, no doubt. The MIAC memo spun out right around the time OVE was issued. Soon after OVE was when we started hearing the “lone wolf” and “sovereign citizen” rhetoric from fedgov level law enforcement. Not long after that the Knoxville fusion center put out the sovereign citizen training DVD for LEO, which has now made the rounds to the sheriff’s level LEO’s. Oath Keepers are well advertised in the training DVD and veterans who are too active in Constitutional challenges are stigmatized as sovereign citizens in the pejorative and often convicted due to that stigmatization. The FBI was instrumental in producing the DVD and SPLC has their fingerprints on that piece of detritus, as well.

    So the cure is to cut the head of this snake off. Attempts in this direction made with the Reps. in north Georgia fell on deaf (uncaring?) ears. It will take a concerted effort going well beyond the efforts now taking place in NY to put a stop to this. In the meantime more and more veterans (as planned?) are going to ground leaving Oath Keepers less and less effective.

    So two “things”: No one has had an orchiectomy, so use ’em like you still have ’em and go challenge your elected weasel, but more importantly don’t run and hide.

  14. @ w68, “You people just can’t wrap your mind around reality of current situation in O Amerika”

    I know it may seem like it at times, but they do understand. They also are aware that educating those that would be used against the American people, against their OWN families is critical to our nation, and the amount of American’s surviving.

    I push for charges to be brought because it would legitimize an already legitimate action(s) being done by this organization and others. It would be able to be brought forth to those of the nation that are still either uncertain, or keeping “keeping their eyes closed” so that they could start making reasonable choices. A lot of people want a leadership they can trust, and they know we did better under the US Constitution; but whatever is done MUST be legal in their eyes. They may not know the US Constitution by heart, but they can “feel” the wrongness, corruptness that is going on.

    New York is taking a good PUBLIC step that will give the people in that state more confidence in them. When Oathkeepers do not keep their Oaths, they lose trust. But keeping the oaths does not mean running out like an idiot doing stupid, and most likely, suicidal things. It does mean using the US Constitution as it is written, and as its meaning is clarified by the people of that time against the traitors and corruption currently operating within our nation.

    Another good thing would be to get the military to refuse to attack foreign nations at the order of a “president” who is not even LAWFULLY (legally) a US president; though it is unlawful for other reasons such as: the US Constitution requires that the USA and her people be under attack, and that the congress has declared war to DEFEND ourselves. All US presidents REQUIRE that the congress has declared war before they step into the role as Commander in Chief.

    Article. II. Section. 2: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, WHEN CALLED INTO ACTUAL SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES…

    US presidents can order the state Militia’s and the Navy (the ONLY military allowed to exist beyond 2 years without war being declared by the congress).

    Section. 8. Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENCE and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    They can use the state Militias to provide for the common defense of each state, or the nation as needed; then the president is the CoC (nation as needed otherwise the governor of each state is).

    Clause 11 – TO DECLARE WAR, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    Clause 12 – To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    James Madison said that war “has the tendency to render the head too large for the body.” He concluded, “A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty.” He was not alone in this belief which is why the US Constitution provided protections against such a thing being done, and the Militia of the several states to enforce the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution.

    Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, floor debate over the 2nd Amendment, I Annals of Congress: “What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to PREVENT THE ESTABLISMENT OF A STANDING ARMY, the bane of liberty….”

    Clause 13 – To provide and maintain a Navy;
    Clause 14 – To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    So why is this important to understand and where does it relate to the article you might ask? All states are required to support the US Constitution, and to accept that it, and all that is in Pursuance thereof, is the supreme law of THIS nation. The Bill of Rights is MORE limitations and “forbiddens” placed upn those who serve within our governments – yes, plural.

    The US Constitution does not allow for New York State Intelligence Center (NYSIC), or even the New York State Police. “We…” allowed them to come into being – to replace all of us doing our constitutionally mandated duty as each states Militia – and the ONLY lawful authority they have is when they TAKE AND KEEP THE OATH TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE US CONSTITUTION ABOVE AND BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. They have NO other authority because they are not provided for in the US Constitution and should not exist HERE in the USA.

    The reason that the framers did NOT put into the US Constitution a governmental professional law enforcement is because they are ALWAYS USED AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THAT NATION SOONER OR
    LATER. THAT is why when they do not keep the oath they no longer have any lawful authority beyond force – exactly like gangs. When they follow orders on a “need to know” basis – they ALWAYS NEED TO KNOW ALL DETAILS because they are PERSONALLY responsible for their actions and as a governmental identity every crime they commit is able to be prosecuted forever, there is no standard of limitations.

    Many times the actions they take also qualify as terrorism against the USA ad her people, plus treason beyond the “regular” charges that could be brought against them (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85 Terrorism is defined as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”).

    So before they “label” groups, etc as subversive organizations they need to make sure that they are not the ones subverting the US Constitution and their state Constitution becoming traitors and terrorists.

    Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, “The Complete Jefferson”: “On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”

    Madison, Federalist 39: “Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution.”
    (It was established)

    Judge Thomas M. Cooley: “Legislators have their authority measured by the Constitution, they are chosen to do what it permits, and NOTHING MORE, and they take solemn oath to obey and support it. . . To pass an act when they are in doubt whether it does or does not violate the Constitution is to treat as of no force the most imperative obligations any person can assume.”

    James Madison: “Because if . . . [An Unalienable Natural Right of Free Men] . . . be exempt from the authority of the Society at large, still less can it be subject to that of the Legislative Body. The latter are but the creatures and vicegerents of the former. Their jurisdiction is both derivative and limited: It is limited with regard to the coordinate departments, more necessarily is it limited with regard to the constituents. The preservation of a free Government requires, not merely, that the metes and bounds which separate each department of power be invariably maintained: but more especially that neither of them be suffered to overleap the greater Barrier which defends the rights of the people. The Rulers who are guilty of such an encroachment, exceed the commission from which they derive their authority, and are Tyrants. The people who submit to it are governed by laws made neither by themselves nor by an authority derived from them, and are Slaves”

    The Supreme Court of the United States: “The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism.”
    James Madison: “An efficient militia is authorized and contemplated by the Constitution and required by the spirit and safety of free government.”

    Cockrum vs State: The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers delegated directly to the citizen, and is excepted out of the general powers of government. A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power.

    Black’s Law Dictionary, 3rd Edition: The body of citizens in a state, enrolled for discipline as a military force, but not engaged in actual service except in emergencies, as distinguished from regular troops or a standing army.

    Samuel Adams : “It is always dangerous to the liberties of the people to have an army stationed among them, over which they have no control … The Militia is composed of free Citizens. There is therefore no danger of their making use of their Power to the destruction of their own Rights, or suffering others to invade them..”

    Richard Henry Lee: “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …”

    George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment: “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”

    Joel Barlow, Revolutionary War veteran: “… not only permitting every man to arm, but obliging him to arm.”

  15. Despite anyone’s and everyone’s best intentions and efforts, it is readily apparent to anyone with the eyes to see and the brain to understand, that RTI is a dismal failure. Regardless of RTI efforts, the governments at all levels continue to drastically reduce our freedom and Constitutional rights while OK and all other groups continue to talk and complain. My own opinion is that we have surrendered all of our rights and freedoms and just don’t have the guts/insight/intelligence to admit this truth. While we complain, the government spies on all and makes lists of those of us they will attack/subdue once they feel they can get away with that final treasonous act. I fear all is lost. I will honor my oath and defend myself and my family from ANY AND ALL government agents, both foreign and domestic, regardless of who or what they are.

  16. Oh, as the “replacement ” for all of us doing our constitutionally mandated duty as each state’s Militia the governmental professional law enforcement is REQUIRED (to take and keep) by the Oath to do ALL of the duties assigned to each state’s Militia INCLUDING enforcing the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution or they are NOT a lawful agency – federal or state.

  17. Regarding David Farber’s post, where he states, “No where (sic) does it state in the bylaws does it state that I would use force against authorities to fulfill that oath”. I have one question; what part of “I will support and DEFEND the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, so help me God” does he not understand?

  18. Oh, as the “replacement ‘We the People’ allowed” for all of us – instead of doing our constitutionally mandated duty as each state’s Militia – the governmental professional law enforcement is REQUIRED (to take and keep) by the Oath to do ALL of the duties assigned to each state’s Militia INCLUDING enforcing the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution or they are NOT a lawful agency – federal or state. Their foremost duties as the “replacement” are:

    – Enforce the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution,
    – Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which is constitutional laws ONLY),
    – Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
    – “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”.

    When they replace us, they take over OUR duties, and are NOT under the order of any governmental agency, but are under the Constitutions FIRST and foremost. If we are going to allow the LE’s to continue they MUST be taught their lawful duties here in the USA as opposed to what they would be following – as they currently are – in say.. China, Russia, Nazi Germany, etc

    (Mirriam-Webster Online: “one that replaces another especially in a job or function”

  19. When you read the details of the 3 incidences, the common denominator between them is that the people involved all were involved in drugs. Why do these agencies rush to look for some non-existant link to groups they did not belong to and ignore the part drugs played in the incidences? Perhaps the drug taking caused a lapse in mental judgement and helped further the decline in mentally ill persons who lost their grasp with reality.

  20. Of course the state agencies are trying to demonize patriots to the local police. The feds, who feed those agencies via fusion centers, are scared to the point of filling their diapers by the very thought that they might not be able to count on their troops and not even on the local police if they try to implement their police state. Collectivist local officers who are loyal to the police state and rogue thugs in uniform are afraid of that too.

    And what frightens them even more is the idea that those who refuse illegal orders are armed, know the procedures that will be used by the traitors, and even know who the officers and troops are and often where they live. In other words, those who are willing to betray their own nation to the hive power structure are deathly afraid of those who might NOT serve them loyally, and who will be armed witnesses to their treason and who may actually aid and abet patriotic citizens to resist the treasonous feds and locals.

    The most frightening nightmare they can have – and they deserve to have it nightly – is that some patriotic ‘troop’ who refuses illegal and unconstitutional orders might NOT lay down his weapons and leave, but rather put a bullet into the foreheads of the traitors themselves.

  21. The report and response by OathKeepers to the New York State Intelligence Center (NYSIC) should be a wake-up call to every alphabet agency, federal, state and local, that YOUR intelligence reports (regarding domestic terrorism) are a direct reflection of the bias opinions created by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) that has an ongoing record for deception and myths….and has a government funded foundation platform of hate mongering. They are paid to create internal enemies that serve bureaucratic agendas.

    The ‘divide and conquer’ strategies within the United States are growing and is also occurring within their own agencies, as seen with U.S. Border Patrol agents speaking-out against the invasion of illegal aliens bestowed upon their sectors (by design).

    WE are a country divided on most every issue, facing enormous problems, and the ‘powers at be’ cannot even maintain continuity within law enforcement and/or military. And on top of that!! The ‘powers at be’ are desperately creating animosity and doubt between real patriots and supporters of the Constitution, and law enforcement which most OathKeepers are currently, or formally connected to, one way or another.

    WE are facing a very sad state of affairs…..

  22. I love how the REAL extremists call everybody else extremists! Who the hell is working for whom? Who is the principle, and who is the “limited” agent? Rich!

  23. Those in government who fear organizations such as ours are those who violate routinely the Constitutional protections set in place for Citizen’s benefits. Government’s natural tendency is to enlarge itself, while reducing the freedom of its Citizens.
    “Whereas it appeareth that however certain forms of government are better calculated than others to protect individuals in the free exercise of their natural rights, and are at the same time themselves better guarded against degeneracy, yet experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson
    I fear the government and its overreaches into areas NOT given in the Constitution, into interference into Citizen’s personal lives and behaviors, and by “Representatives” who do NOT represent the wishes of the Citizens who voted them into office. We Citizens MUST engage our ‘representatives’ in government by any peaceful means available, and hope that they will return to their rightful station as SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE.

  24. To counter these latest assaults on our efforts to thwart the “mission creep” of tyranny, I believe it is important to understand more fully this components formulation. Specifically the genesis of the these largely effective efforts to demonize lawful and upstanding groups which oppose the treasonous and criminal agendas which are directing the userpers of our Republics leadership powers.

    My research into RAND documents, specifically the mid ’90s report “Trends in Terrorism”, co written by AU Federal Reserve Board member Frank Lowee, brother of 9/11 profiteer Peter Lowee, begins the assertion that groups which do not pose threat of violence, by fomenting support of opposition to governmental misconduct, lend indirect support to completely unconnected groups which do.

    This is the formulation of the attempt to conjure public perception of guilt by the mere accusation of association. Of course there is no actual association between Oath Keepers and violent extremist groups; Yet since all opposition to them bolsters the rising tide which lifts all those ships which in the report are labeled (AG) anti-government, they are desperate to propagandize into existence belief that such an association exists.

    This canard was then implemented through the SPLC presentation which displayed websites for groups like Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and We Are Change mixed in with white supremacist and other genuinely extremist and violent groups websites.

    This was done to pave the way for public acceptance of the likes of HR1955 and SB1959. These of course seek to codify oppression of opposition to Federal criminality.

    “Continuity of Agenda”, if you will.

    I believe these specific assaults on lawful and upstanding opposition need to be seen within this larger picture, and that this understanding needs to be communicated in a forthright manner in our efforts to counter these baseless accusations.

    Cheers,
    Stewart Howe

  25. Please, Read this and think about it before exploding on me!!!

    I understand RTI, although I fail to understand how after decades of re-education we can change anything via RTI? Our numbers are to small when compared to the general population and the re-educated. I admit I am over educated and maybe don’t see the trees for the forest, yet I understand logic and numbers and time frames. We are screwed if anyone thinks this can be solved with RTI. I do not want some nut case to run out and start shooting, never, and I do not advocate another civil war, yet I fail to see other options. I view this like the last big hill on the roller-coaster, we dip and far as we build to the last great screamer. We are there and no one in the government will or can stand to help, forget the law, who in the “He.. do you think or hope will enforce it? What is all this talk about anyway, it seems like everyone knows what is wrong and complains, yet, yet, we just keep kicking the can down the road thinking a great light will appear and correct it all. Right brother, fear that bright light…

    [Editor’s Note: Ron, I am glad you did not advocate revolution, for had you done so your comment would not be posted here. Regarding the apparent, or seeming, futility owing to our relatively small number of members nationwide, that is a perception which on the face of it would seem the proper perception. But, (and here I reference your statement about being “over-educated”), my counsel to you is that one heals the world by first healing oneself.

    In that center of one’s being, to which the founders referred when they spoke of “unalienable rights”, one has the power to free oneself. It is important to reinforce the positive and let go of the negative. I’m not denying the ominous disproportion between the patriots who value the Constitution as the protector of their liberty/freedom and the thugs who just follow whatever orders a tyrannical government issues, for the facts are in agreement with your assessment — but I’m saying that the first priority for every patriot today is to ensure that in his own soul he continues to see victory over evil. That mindset is the beginning of healing this world, and it begins with healing oneself. We are all born into this world to live a span of life and then die. Choosing the terms of one’s life is important, but as death is part of life, it is also important to choose the terms of one’s death. Better to live freedom by healing oneself in one’s own mind, than to die in frustration because the world around one is too big to combat. Holding the vision of freedom in the center of one’s mental states is hugely important, for one’s mental states are indeed tied into the collective consciousness of the nation and world. This is more powerful, more effective, than surface-level perceptions of futility. In the final analysis, each soul has a task in life. It is sufficient to save oneself, even if one cannot save the world. When one approaches one’s death, all that matters is the state of one’s soul. The rest of the wicked world becomes totally irrelevant. So, my friend, let’s live and fight to spread the consciousness of freedom, of the moral obligation to honor the world’s most treasured political document which would protect freedom and justice for all, and to see that one always keeps one’s personal responsibility to regulate the content of one’s mind (including perceptions) in accordance with the highest standards of one’s soul.

    Salute!
    Elias Alias, editor]

  26. People should realize that government agencies across this country are all of the same character. The Progressives have infiltrated all agencies in order to control and constrain free speech and hold the people down. It’s just another way to completely do away with all freedom!
    It’s time for the people to turn the tables by blasting these people for what they are. Let’s shout it from the house tops that it is THEY who are the enemy of the people. Maybe if we keep hounding them with our own accusations, they might learn to shut up and sit down. We’ve been too much in the habit of spouting off to each other, rather then spouting off to them directly. We need to make some noise and keep hounding them with accusations!

  27. I vehemently object to the classification of Oath Keepers as being dangerous to law enforcement. As acting NJ Chapter president; I can state absolutely that all of our members here are hard working, law abiding, God fearing patriotic people. Our membership is open to people who are rich, middle class, poor, of all political persuasions and backgrounds. We have many decorated veterans, peace officers and currently serving military members in our ranks and we are accused of not liking the police? My son Douglas is an active police officer, I have police and sheriff’s dep’t friends and in my business my customers are 30% law enforcement. Does that really sound anti-police? Only an absolute far left idiot would brand Oath Keepers as a dangerous group.

  28. It is alarming the number of government people who seem to regard every citizen as criminals or extremists; who believe the Bill of Rights to be the law of the land.

  29. Far right extremeists, who has determined the definition for this? Was the defenition determined by the very enemies within our nation who seek to silence the people and destroy this nation? Personally, if those in NY don’t like it, it’s a good thing, whatever it might be.

  30. Let’s find out if these people, who we hired to work for us, paid by our taxes, will take this serious
    & respond & show up for the requested meeting. If they don’t, we fire them & shut down their useless
    offices. It will be fun for a change to audtion off their office furniture & computers, cars, vans,
    guns, real estate. Soon to be a land grab back from our public land, that belongs to us, the people,
    the public.

  31. Guilt by Association the Tool of Tyrants. The US Constitution did away with Guilt by Association that was used by British to deal with Protestant groups wishing to practice a religion of choice as opposed to the Church of England. So what is a classification of anti-government? I first ran into the term when a colleague was under investigation for his brothers role in a bombing investigation. After his interrogation he approached me and asked that I remove his name from my mailing list because I was considered anti-government.
    Am I anti-government. No! I am anti-political when elected officials follow the tenants of being a Communist, Socialist and Progressives. I am associated with Trevor Loudon the author of Barack Obama and the Enemies Within and Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the U.S. Congress. So am I guilty of pissing off politicians because they are named in the book, I sure hope so! I as well as millions of Americans took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.That is why I consider myself as an Oath Keeper.

  32. Attn: Elias Alias, editor

    Thank You for you Courteous and Insightful response to my Post. May I ask a question of you?

    I have seem I believe a picture of you and fell you have been on this earth or some time now. I have been her for 71.5 years now and my question is;

    Disregarding Technology (which is a wash as both side obtain benefit) General Standard of Living, Including Medical Care, can you say our Freedoms have evolved in the same direction and at the same rate? In other words even with the freedom of worldwide communications, like Facebook etc;, allowing rapid data dissemination, have the complaints and injustices been subdued or removed by the people voicing their unhappiness? Sorry that is really one question.

    Thank you, I do feel we are on the same side, although I differ on how it will end up being solved when reaching some breaking point. I truly wish the ballot box was not a joke and could offer an answer to what we have and what may be coming.

    [Editor’s note: Ron, I’m nearing 69 years of age, and my beard looks it. Regardng our Freedoms, they diminish as government concentrates its powers beyond the powers granted it by the States in compact, which has happened in spades over the last four Presidential administrations especially. Two “R”s and two “D”s – and all four of them working to destroy this nation from within. Draconian attitudes at the Federal level have merged amongst themselves and decided that the Federal government has more authority than the States which created it, and that it must provide its own interpretation of “security” for society as a whole, which of course opened Pandora’s box of tyrannical crappola, such as the USA PATRIOT ACT of 2001, the AUMF (Authorization for the Use of Military Force) of 2001, the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, the merger of the Pentagon with our Justice Department via DARPA in the 1990s, the NDAA 2012, etc etc. The NSA’s incessant spying on all of us has been approved by the Republicans as well as the Democrats, and DHS’ Fusion Centers now mesh all databases from one’s health-care records to driving records, from educational records to, well, to everything including our consumer habits. Wall Street and the CIA drive Washington D.C., and our Congress has rolled over to the will of the past four Executive Branch heads while military surplus continues to be dispersed to local law enforcement and we experience as a nation more then 70,000 SWAT raids per year. What once were rights are now privileges granted or withheld by the almighty government, on its whim or on the pseudo-science pumped out by propagandists who are on the government take. We are slowly heading toward a cashless society, our economy is being destroyed by Agenda 21 and similar globalist strategies and plans, our nation is being invaded with the help of our government, which, btw, took the time and care to arm the Mexican drug cartels to create a border crisis. Our gasoline and indeed our very travel by any means will soon enough be rationed in the name of national security. The government now wants to run our health care, and we can only pray that government-run health care is a tad better than the health-care services experienced by our Veterans in the VA hospital system, yes? 501-C tax status has silenced any dissent coming from the pulpit except for our national Chaplain, Chuck Baldwin, who is no longer a 501-C type Pastor, thank God. Laws are stacked up on top of laws ad infinitum, then buried in statutes, color of law, rules of the court, and other prevaricative daliances dreamed up by those in the pocket of Madison Avenue and the Federal Reserve. Our industrial base has been muchly outsourced off-shore thanks to the EPA and similar ilk. The Federal government refuses to honor the equal footing agreements it made with the Western States in their enabling acts prior to Statehood, thusly stealing many trillions of dollars’ worth of natural resources while mandating Common Core socialist programs in the educational systems of the States and taxing the labor of the citizens of the several States with an un-Constitutional unapportioned Federal income tax. Organic farming is under attack, ranching is under attack, use of the land is under attack, and the so-called “war on drugs” is a massive bust on the American people, a serious disaster to our Bill of Rights in that to regulate what I may or may not put into my body (or anyone’s body) is to assert ownership over my body (or anyone’s body), and that sort of authority does not exist in this nation’s founding legal charter, so it is an abomination in that regard as well as in regard to the countless thousands (More than 700,000 each year) of students and workers who get saddled with criminal records and have their lives and careers destroyed over a plant which grows wild in Nature on an alleged authority the government took on its own while citing the “good of society” over one’s Divinely-given unalienable rights which the Constitution is supposed to protect. The Federal government has stood everything on its head and turned our nation into mush, prepping us for assimilation into the one-world government of the United Nations and the bad boys who created and operate it – i.e., the international coterie of financiers.

    Freedom, as you and I have known it, is morphing into a fossil as we speak.

    There is no real hope except for the individual soul who has achieved a talent for upgrading one’s ability to awaken to higher mental states than those programmed by the mass media and entertainment media and the press, by Madison Avenue and governmental propaganda. An elevated awareness is vital to any soul seeking peace these days. Stress levels are rampantly high, suicide rates are up, divorce rates are high, unemployment is way too high, grocery prices sing of inflation each time we go for bread and milk. Fines and fees show government greed (or desperation) at all levels from local to national. The government is spraying us in “geo-engineering” projects without having done studies on the effects of aerosol-borne aluminum and barium and other chemicals found in the sprays on human organisms. Water is dosed with fluoride commonly in entire population centers. GMO-foods are a subtle assault on human nutrition. Cancer is at epidemic levels and our cell phones are like extensions of microwaves. ELF waves are seen by the Unconventional Warefare departments of the US Army as a proper tool for use in black operations and covert psy-ops programs. The CFR gives the State Department and the major news media their marching orders, and the CFR is a totally globalist organization which came right out of the Cecil Rhodes Round Table groups via London’s Royal Institute for International Affairs in the early 1920s. Governments now claim special power to suspend our rights on the grounds of the existence of an “emergency” of one sort or another, and they use force to control anyone who doesn’t agree with their power grab. It’s even much worse than I’m noting here; so, no, I do not see any hope outside a soul’s ability to wake up more fully than required of humans in the past.

    In 1999 I co-founded The Mental Militia, which is an online discussion group. I noted at that time that we are in a spiritual war, and everything I’ve seen since has only affirmed that meme. While I’m not a Christian, I’ll quote something Jesus of Nazareth is said to have said – “Know ye not that the kingdom of heaven is within you?”

    My salvation for the world is to heal my self. I do that by forgiving the world every day and extending my love to it in every way I can. I understand harmonics, or what we old beatniks refer to as “vibes” – the vibrations which hold together the atoms and stars and all that exists between them. My message is that “consciousness works”. What we people still have left to our good use is our consciousness – the Psyche, which houses the soul, which houses the Spirit of Life itself – which of course DARPA is hell-bent on tapping for the government. (Microwave brain manipulation and neuro-cell-fusion with micro-chips etc etc.) Statists today not only want to own and control our bodies and our behaviors, they want also to control our minds – and their science (I use the word “science” liberally here) seeks the seat of the soul itself. I overcome all that each day by repeating my chosen affirmations and focusing on my work as a writer whose hobby is appreciation for beauty in Nature and, when I find it, beauty in human nature. Having escaped the program which would have me see myself as this aging old body, I now understand that I am a soul enmeshed in a human body, and that my soul is not the property of any earthly, man-made government. I tune out the “noise” in the news, overcome my own conditioning and programming, and glean from experience and meditative thought and intro-flection a spiritual meaning in all of Nature – in all of the indefinitude of the multiplicity of the modalities of the expression of “The Being” as witnessed in Nature herself, in life itself, in movement through relationship. No damned by God government can touch me there, no matter what they do to my worn-out old body. I know that, and that is my salvation. As the old Alchemists used to say, “Solve et Coagula”.

    I long for the day when they hold an election and no body shows up to vote. I long for the day when people world-wide awaken to the fact that the sources of all evil are manifest in seats of governmental power, and turn their backs on all governments in exchange for the blessing of living free. If people were to simply turn their backs on governments, the governments would fall of their own dead weight. But like Thoreau, I’m afraid humankind is not quite ready to accept that much responsibility at the personal level. I’m not deluded. I know it’s going to get very bad soon, in America. But no matter what DHS may have in store for me, I’ll be free. That is a very calming knowledge, and if I can achieve that level of consciousness, heck, anyone can. I’m just another college dropout and aging war Veteran – not much to brag about, and as you noted that you’ve seen a pic of me, I’m not much to look at either, lol. But I ain’t hypnotized by all the media, the advertising, the entertainment, the professional sports, the Hollywood spectrum, nor even my wicked little computer. My answer was found in understanding as a young man just out of the Marines in the late 1960s that my mind was mine, and that I could ever-more build it to suit my ideals, train myself to awaken unto righteousness by learning and admitting that all my life up through and including my military service I had not fully awakened to myself – inside my mind. Oh, I would wake up each morning, just like everyone else, and do what it took to hold a job and support myself, drive a car, create my persona, my style, enjoy the ladies, play golf, read books, take trips, mow the lawn, and all the myriad things people do when they are in a mental state which they refer to as “being awake”. Yet I was not fully awake, not at all. Once I could see that, and admit it to myself honestly, I was ready to learn about my own psyche. That has made all the difference in the world to me, for me. I am “in the world without being of the world”, so to borrow a phrase. I see the world choosing hell, but I also see that those who would choose that are not fully awakened. In hopes that I may be of some help for one or two souls “out there” in the big ol’ world, I write for Oath Keepers.

    And as anyone can see, I have a problem with verbosity, eh? Sorry for wandering all over the board with this reply to you. It’s another sign of my age – that I ramble on and on.

    Salute!
    Elias Alias, editor]

  33. Ron,
    I would add, that it matters little whether you win or lose, for it is the willingness to engage in the fight that matters. That willingness comes from inside you, as Elias alluded to. Will I be a slave? No, therefore I must fight. It is that simple. I am free, and no one can take that from me. I can only willingly give up my freedom; which I will not do. Their power comes from the willingness of men to give up their freedom.

    Shorty Dawkins

  34. Gee Shorty,
    I read your article below about living as a five yr. old on a block with Mrs. Smith, her kin folks Bill and Jim. I was three yrs.old at the time, my mom was Mrs. Smith,My dad was. Col. Mr. Bill Smith and my brother was Jim. I kind of floated away after that thinking maybe it was you and I that were playing cowboys and Indians. Nice dream huh? actually a reality back then. Then I read this article and am back in the nightmare.

  35. Dear Elias,Shorty and Ron,
    I tried to put this to bed, but my mind is on hyper drive right now. I must have not have had it all together when I read Ron’s, Elias’ and Shorty’s closing remarks.
    I have never paid money to join Oath Keepers, but have sent in cash for the Bill Board dr. and have enjoyed the comradeship between patriots. With that said, I was getting fired up when Ron spoke,then Elias and Shorty kind of shut him down. Are you guys saying that we are going to give up and not fight this (to the death) if need be? I like Ron and many of the Nam vets are getting a bit long in the tooth now. I can no longer run and gun, but I can still shoot your nose off at 1000 yrds. And take care of an MRAP with chemicals from under my sink. Are we just sitting back now and letting them get completely prepared so they can shoot us down with their TROY 7.5″ barrel PDW’s while were a sleep? I wouldn,t make it past staff Sgt. so if you guys are not going to fight. SAY SO. I am still prepared and waiting.
    And if you dont scrub this comment, I would be interested in hearing more of what CAL. has to say about the goings on at the so called closed bases.

    Respecfully,
    Charlie,Mike Brown Smith

    [Editor’s Note: Charlie Brown, No one said he is not going to fight tyranny. It’s a question of how we fight it. The tyranny came about over the decades as Americans forgot the vision of this nation’s founders, and it will not return overnight. We must begin the process of returning this nation to the requirements of its founding legal charter, the Constitution, by first reminding Americans everywhere that our national “leadership” is far afield from the intent of the founders, and that the course which willfully evil leaders (which includes most U.S. Presidents all the way back to our nation’s beginnings – not all of them, but most of them), have yielded founding principles of individual liberty over to a quest for a one-world government in which our own Constitution is no longer our highest law of the land. This devolution was initiated immediately after our Revolution by the Tories, who viewed Thomas Jefferson’s second inauguration speech as “usurpation” and vowed to groom their children for positions of power in the newly-created government and in the financial sector. Hence the Tory support of the Ivy League college/university system including Yale, Harvard, Columbia, etc. These Tories were the people who opposed George Washington’s untidy little revolution and helped the King fight against the revolution. They gained traction as the King rewarded the Tories with fabulous shipping contracts (Think for one example: Russell and Company of Boston, which founded Skull and Bones at Yale in 1831 with Opium smuggling profits earned from the Crown by using their swift fleet of Clipper ships). The Tories have morphed over time into what we call the “Eastern Establishment” which is pro-British and which supports the Cecil Rhodes Round Table groups such as the CFR in New York. Their ties with England are centered in the one-square-mile area of London’s financial district called the “City of London”, from whence our daily gold close quote is issued to the world’s economic empire. Using Freud, Marx, and Darwin the Eastern Establishment has spread its tentacles into every aspect of our society, claiming today ownership over the mass media, governmental departments, monetary system, and our cultural infrastructure. We are surrounded by a hidden history which explains all of this, but is never taught in the public schools and is also never talked about in the media/news/press. The way to fight that is of course up to any one man to decide for himself, but to me, picking up a gun and going off to shoot the government is extreme folly – example given: the idiot Miller couple who recently shot two Las Vegas police officers to “start the Revolution”. Can you advocate for what they did? Did they help the cause of liberty by doing that? Or, rather, did they not in reality hurt the cause of liberty? I think they hurt the cause of liberty.

    On the other hand, consider the Bundy Ranch situation, where American cowboys and their supporters stood tall against a veritable army of BLM thugs and backed down the BLM in the midst of its evil. That was righteous and no one fired a shot as the People won the day and “the cows came home”. Americans used their right to keep and bear arms to rightly defend a family of ranchers from governmental tyranny, and that was wonderful, truly “American”, and seriously advanced the cause of liberty in America. Wisdom is what Oath Keepers is calling for as Americans are awakening to an authoritarian, over-reaching, vile, treacherous Federal government in the hands of the new world order’s global financial leaders. We are calling for all Americans to adhere to the libertarian principle of non-aggression, in which we find it to be wrong to initiate violence against a non-violent person – which is what the BLM did in bringing out an army to quell the Bundy family’s dispute over the proper agency to which they would pay their grazing fees for grazing cows on public land. The Bundy’s point out that the BLM doesn’t even have the Constitutional authority to exist, and the American Lands Council is a great place to learn about how the Bundys came to that conclusion.

    http://americanlandscouncil.org/

    The foregoing was prelude to my statement to you. There is more to this than meets the eye, and more than we can cover in mere posts on comments threads on this website, but I can say these two things by way of answering your question.

    First, no one in leadership at Oath Keepers is going to say that anyone should go off and start a shooting war with the government. Oath Keepers is an educational organization based on teaching Constitutional values to the Oath-sworn. We are not a militia and we are not about to organize ourselves into anything that resembles a militia unless it is done through the Constitution, which does, btw, mandate that all able-bodied Americans be in the Militia of the several States in compact – in fact, the Constitution even requires the Federal government to ensure that the States have their respective militia and goes so far as to require the Federal government to fund the militia. (quoting from Article I)

    “….To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;…”

    That militia is fully lawful and honorable and because it is Constitutional Oath Keepers is free to advocate its return to American society. We work with James Jaeger and Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., to promote the consciousness which would move the American people back to center, back to an understanding of our founders’ intent, back to the highest law of the land, by showing everyone why they should want to register as members in the Constitutional militia of the several States.

    Secondly, I can assure you that most of our membership consists of patriots who, as Shorty Dawkins has said above, will live free or die trying, but who will not live on their knees subservient to a tyrannical government. You may include this old Vietnam Vet in that classification. That is why it is so important that the American people read history and search for the hidden aspects of our history which reveal a steady onward march by progressive political idiots in our government since the days of Woodrow Wilson and Colonel House. We today are in a spiritual war, and we must be “wise as serpents and harmless as doves” at one and the same time.

    You will not find anyone on my staff advocating for violence. If you want stronger talk than the talk we give about peaceful means, about educating the People, about spiritual warfare, about psychological responsibility, you’ll find plenty of loud-mouthed websites calling for a more vernacular and blunt approach to solving today’s political problems. But that is not the Oath Keepers mission. All we are doing is trying our best to remove an army and a police force from the control of the idiots presently running our Federal behemoth in WDC.

    Thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts with us here, and for your support.

    Salute!
    Elias Alias, editor]

  36. As for the old guys not being able to go up against 20 and 30 year old men and women, go tell that to the Taliban and the 20 and 30 year old men and women who have and are facing them now. If it comes to that and I pray every day that it does not then 4GW will provide the tactics that will allow the 50+ crowd a formidable means participation. As to the poster that thinks that RTI is useless and past its prime, our founders talked and wrote letters to the crown and its representatives for many years before they were forced to meet the Redcoats ball for ball and even then the letters and negotiation never ceased. I’d like to end this with this quote that many here will remember:

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

  37. John F. Kennedy said that and many in power are doing just that when they put out reports like Elias has written about. Know matter the consequences are in the beginning and what ever hits that we take we have to keep firm possession of the moral high ground with our intelligent, peaceful demands for redress of grievances and continue to reach out, teach, and inspire repetition of constitutional precepts to those who will receive illegal orders given by tyrants so that they will be able to identify and understand fully how foreign and anathema those orders are to the vision of a society that our founders formed for us.

  38. Those of us who have seen War up close and personal, would do ANYTHING to avoid violence. Especially on American soil, in our neighborhoods, then our front and back yards. To have War in front of our Mothers, Sisters, wives, children, is a HORRIFIC thought. But as much as Americans who have seen conflict would like to AVOID conflict. Free Men can only be pushed so far. There comes a time when you just say “NO”.
    “Hell No!”
    “I will NOT be a part of this INSANITY.”
    “I will NOT turn on my own people.”
    “I will NOT follow unlawful or unconstitutional orders.”
    A CRIMINAL Traitor, commander in chief of the United States, will find his Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Law Enforcement, saying “NO.”
    If he continues spitting on everything America has stood for.
    If he continues DESTROYING our American Republic, “He will find people quietly and not so quietly IGNORING his stupidity.”
    RESIST. Do Not Obey.
    One Man/ Woman at a time, RESISTING unconstitutional orders DOES make a difference.

    Maybe that is why there were the Navy yard shootings? Were ELF weapons targeting the perp?
    Maybe that is why the King fired the TOP Air Force commanders of Nuclear Weapons? Purge?
    Maybe that is why Nuclear Missile key turners were fired?
    What about those Nuclear Weapons that were transfered out of Texas, outside of proper protocol?
    What about Lindsey Grahams idiotic statements and threats to Americans?
    Maybe that is why 500 + officers are being ousted out of US Army? Communist style PURGE.
    Maybe that is why a GERMAN general is commander over US Army forces in Europe?
    Maybe that is why King Tyrant has built up a standing army to MURDER Americans called DHS?
    Maybe that is why King Tyrant has those nice FEMA camps built?
    Why let in criminal gangs on our Border?
    Why did Eric Holder ARM criminal gangs? For chaos and pretext to Martial law?
    Maybe that is why the MIAC report and the report that this post referred to?
    In a Communist TRAITORS mind who is posing as president, “ANYONE that loves America is a threat.”

    TREASON at the HIGHEST levels within the United States Government.

    So what is to be done about this?
    Impeach. Arrest.
    Just say “NO”. “Keep your change.” “We will keep America FREE.”

    What do you good people have to say about this list?
    TREASON is the only logical conclusion.
    So now what?
    Like Nancy said, “just say No.”

  39. If “being against the government” is a status that gets groups on a “list,” then being on that list would be an honor. Problem is, it’s not that simple, and being on a list can have further ramifications, for that is the nature of lists. BRAVO ZULU to NYOK!

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