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Ares Armor vs. Illegal ATF Raid UPDATE: Stewart Rhodes interviews CEO Dimitrios Karras – March 18, 2014


Stewart Rhodes interviews Ares Armor CEO Dimitrios Karras


TO: Whom It May Concern

FROM: Dimitrios Karras, CEO Ares Armor

SUBJ: Temporary Restraining Order Against BATFE

DATE: March 12, 2014

Sir or Ma’am,

Last week the BATFE Raided EP Armory based on a determination letter that had deemed the 80% Polymer product to be a firearm. The determination letter that the BATFE used to obtain warrants against EP Armory is based on incorrect information about the manufacturing process. The BATFE has been notified of their error and the incorrectness of their determination based on this error.

This week on Monday, March 10th the BATFE threatened to raid us even though they are fully aware that their determination letter is factually incorrect. They requested that we turn over a list of every customer that had purchased a polymer lower from us and turn over the remaining inventory that we have.

Our customer’s privacy is of the utmost importance to us. I cannot in good moral conscience turn over a list of names to the BATFE just because they unduly threaten us with an unjust raid based on information they KNOW TO BE FALSE!

For the time we are SAFE! We were granted a Temporary Restraining Order against the BATFE on March 11th. The following is the declaration that I made during the process of obtaining this TRO:

Declaration of Dimitrios Karras, CEO Ares Armor

In regards to the events surrounding Ares Armor’s interaction with EP Armory’s products and the threats made towards Ares Armor by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE.) The following declarations are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.

I, Dimitrios Karras, state:

1. During a meeting with the BATFE around the end of 2012 that was unrelated to EP Armory’s product, the Agent that was present very strongly requested that I turn over Ares Armor’s customer list. He intimidated me with the possibility of criminal charges if he was not satisfied. This was the first attempt the BATFE made to intimidate Ares Armor into turning over private customer information.

2. An 80% lower is an industry term for an unfinished receiver that is not considered to be a firearm.

3. EP Armory manufactures an 80% lower receiver made from polymer.

4. Ares Armor purchases and then resells many products one of which is the 80% Polymer Lowers that are made by EP Armory.

5. In the regular course of business I have seen many different 80% AR-15 receivers.

6. EP Armory’s product is no different than standard 80% receivers that are sold openly and that the BATFE has consistently determined to not be a firearm. EP Armory’s product is in compliance with previous BATFE Determinations and is not a firearm.

7. The BATFE has Raided EP Armory based on incorrect information about EP Armory’s manufacturing process. The determination letter written by the BATFE incorrectly classified the EP Armory product as a firearm based on faulty information. The BATFE was under the impression that EP Armory was making a firearm and then reverting back to the 80% stage by filling in the fire-control cavity. At no point during the manufacturing process by EP Armory is a weapon made and then reverted. The solid fire-control cavity is built first and the rest of the 80% casting is made around this “core” specifically so that their product at no time could be considered to be a firearm.

a. As can be seen in Exhibit 1-3. The BATFE has consistently determined that the machining operations that cannot be performed in order to not be considered a firearm are as follows:

1. Milling out of fire-control cavity.

2. Selector-lever hole drilled.

3. Cutting of trigger slot.

4. Drilling of trigger pin hole.

5. Drilling of hammer pin hole.

b. EP Armory’s product is consistent with the BATFE’s many previous determinations.
c. At no time during EP Armory’s manufacturing process are any of the aforementioned 5 operations in a state that could cause a reasonable person to believe that EP Armory’s product would be considered a firearm.

8. The BATFE has been appropriately informed of their mistake. However, even though they have no determination that is based on fact, they are knowingly using their fiction based determination to intimidate Ares Armor with threats in order to inappropriately gain access to information that is private and should be protected.

9. I received communication on or about 3/10/2014 from our legal counsel (Jason Davis) that the BATFE was in the process of obtaining a warrant against Ares Armor based on their incorrect determination of EP Armory’s Product. I was advised that the BATFE had offered to forego obtaining a warrant if Ares Armor was willing to:

a. Hand over all of EP Armory’s 80% Lowers.
b. Turn over Ares Armor customer’s private information to the BATFE.

In exchange for turning over our customer’s private information the BATFE said that they would not “raid” Ares Armor’s facilities and would not pursue “criminal” charges. This made me feel as if I was being extorted. I agreed to their terms in order to delay an impending and unjust raid against Ares Armor long enough to obtain legal protection under the law.

10. I have been unjustly threatened with raids and criminal charges in an attempt by the BATFE to obtain information that is private and protected. The BATFE has expressed interest in obtaining Ares Armor’s customer list in the past and is now attempting to strong-arm us with undue threats based on information they know to be incorrect.

11. I am now in constant fear for the safety of my employees, my customers and myself.

Executed March 10, 2014 Oceanside, CA

I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

Dimitrios Karras





  1. Our current administration has shown they intend to enforce a political position ahead of the legally established law.

  2. Hi Folks,

    just a note if anyone’s interested.

    i haven’t seen the entire 39min. interview but i already know the details of this story; will watch this particular vid later for further insight,

    but briefly i see some comments on youtube arguing this point each direction:

    “How come you all didn’t shoot em?” (valid question)
    “you’re a psy-op provacateur” (this is harsh, and false)
    and vs
    “then you’re as bad as them” (no, a defender is not evil like the attacker)

    here’s my response to that initial question:

    it’s each person’s choice how they are to battle this particular type of tyranny.
    the atf may have come in guns pointed at them, but they did not come in firing, and that’s enough diff that some persons may choose to submit to unlawful search and seizure.
    each person has to make their choice and also not each person has the same directive from God – let each person do as they see fit, assuredly we each will face the same God, and based on our own situation with Him, not someone else’s.

    i won’t be judged by how Ares handled a raid, i will only be judged by how i handle a raid. NONE of this is actually an earthly conflict – this is a spiritual war, the good people have already won, the bad people have already lost, and the rest plays out in earthly terms.

    i have witnessed my own Father physically fight tyranny, and i have witnessed him submit temporarily to tyranny, and the 2 choices were based on specifics of each different scenario. i was there at multiple incidents and i know exactly what was going on; some outsider does not know (armchair quarterback situation).

    we should though, all watch these scenarios with extreme scrutiny and discernment; learn what works, what fails, and prepare for what YOU will do. encourage others to stand up for spiritual reasons, but also allow them to acquiesse for reasons you aren’t privvy to, but just be mindful (wise as serpents) for any possible psy-ops occuring, as those definitely are done by the evil side. for example: i don’t yet know if Ed Snowden is a good guy or a psy-op, i don’t yet know if Ted Cruz is a good guy or playing to be on the winning team (his background and monetary situation is dubious),

    here is what i do know: I (!!!) am a Christian, i do what i can for spiritual reasons, i’ll give my life for spiritual reasons, and God knows i will never be the aggressor only a harsh defender. this is my relationship with God, each other person has to define their own situation with God – on birth, death, and facing God, we have to do that alone, no spouse, no child, no parent, no brother in arms, just you. prepare, spiritually, mentally, physically.

    remember, Daniel of the Bible was a prophet for God and i think it’s pretty clear God thinks well of Daniel – yet Daniel accepted a role of slavery on this earth. Joshua who was with Moses fought heartily against egypt, i think it’s clear God thinks well of Joshua. 2 different persons, 2 different roles.

    i’ve long said – when Jesus was being arrested and one of his followers swung his sword at the roman guard cutting off his ear – i’m fairly certain he was not aiming for any ear he was aiming to split that skull; I am that guy. some others reading are that guy. not everyone is, not everyone is supposed to be. you need to pray and determine what role are you supposed to perform. if Jesus causes my sword to only clip the ear, and Jesus puts that ear back on the roman, that is most certainly up to Jesus to do. notice Jesus did not cast that follower to hell. you do – what you believe in your heart you are to do – and know that not everyone has the same role.
    All who follow Jesus win in the afterlife, He has told us this; who wins on earth is also – up to Him.

  3. I salute this patriot for coming forth with the truth. It would have been easy for him to keep his mouth shut. Thank God for whistleblowers!

  4. So the customer bought a pics of plastic, if it has not been milled out than how can it shoot? Uncompleted plastic is in no way a gun and therefore no violation. I use it as a paperweight prop on my desk…

  5. Thank God for people like you that keep this country free from a bunch of wolves. we are not sheep to be herded into corral our forefathers wrote the Constitution to keep us free from wolves that way we have and will always have rights

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