March 27th, 2013

Still not sentenced, Liberty Dollar founder moves for acquittal or retrial


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Liberty Dollar von Nothaus

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Some of our readers will be familiar with the Federal charges made against this gentleman a couple of years ago, for minting one-ounce silver rounds and calling them “Liberty Dollars”.  The whole liberty movement learned a technical fine point from this case, which is that minters or dealers in silver “rounds” use the term “rounds” instead of “coins”, and never include the words “dollar(s)” or “cent(s)” on their rounds.

Oath Keepers advocates for hand-held silver and/or gold and/or platinum as excellent exchange items during situations of barter, and we advocate for Constitutional money as laid out in the U.S. Constitution.  We encourage all Oath Keepers to follow closely the situation described in the following email.


Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I am pleased to inform you that my attorney has filed a Motion for Acquittal. Of course, this is a major development in my case and although it is a very long shot, it could end the current legal madness. It is very significant that my attorney was even willing to take such bold action. Let us all hope and pray that this Motion brings about the positive conclusion that we all wish.

Thank you for your continued support and patience to return our country to a value based monetary system.

Bernard (von NotHaus)

http://www.gata.org/node/12389

Still not sentenced, Liberty Dollar founder moves for acquittal or retrial
Submitted by cpowell on Tue, 2013-03-26 01:45. Section: Daily Dispatches

9:37a HKT Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

Through his lawyer, Noell P. Tin of Charlotte, North Carolina, Liberty Dollar founder Bernard von NotHaus, convicted of counterfeiting two years ago in federal court in North Carolina but still not sentenced, has filed a motion for acquittal or retrial. The motion’s preface puts the situation well:

“Mr. von NotHaus stands convicted of various statutorily-defined forms of counterfeiting. The irony of this is that if anything is clear from the evidence presented at trial, it is that the last thing Mr. von NotHaus wanted was for Liberty Dollars to be confused with coins issued by the United States government. That would, as witness Vernon Robinson testified, have defeated the whole purpose — to demonstrate to citizens and communities that there is a way to engage in commerce and not use the Federal Reserve system.

“Whether writing scholarly papers on value-based currency, attracting media attention, or selling T-shirts saying ‘The Fed Can Bite Me,’ Mr. von NotHaus has always operated out in the open. His intention — to protest the Federal Reserve system — has always been plain. The jury’s verdict conflates a program created to function as an alternative to the Federal Reserve system with one designed to deceive people into believing it was the very thing Mr. von NotHaus was protesting in the first place.

“Whatever one’s opinion about the merit of value-based currency, the fact remains that the Liberty Dollar was not a counterfeit and was not intended to function as such. The verdict is a perversion of the counterfeiting statutes and should be set aside.”

Von NotHaus’ motion is posted in PDF format at GATA’s Internet site here:

http://www.gata.org/files/VonNotHausRetrialMotion-03-25-2013.pdf

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer

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13 Responses to “Still not sentenced, Liberty Dollar founder moves for acquittal or retrial”

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    csaaphill Says:

    how cool ya i’d like to see silver dollors again like they were when i was a kid.
    wish this guy well. wish i’d of been on that jury.

  2. 2
    Orion Says:

    I wish him well and I wish I owned one of the *rounds* ; D

  3. 3
    Linda Says:

    Hi Shorty, csaaphill,
    I would like to have been on that jury too. My Grandpa Jim gave me silver dollars when I was a little kid. Later someone stole them from me (rats!) so I would like to see a return of silver
    and gold dollars. Especially since that might eradicate the fed. That is a beautiful and well designed silver dollar.

    oh- and The Fed can bite me, too!

    Linda

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    Linda Says:

    Hi Shorty, I have some questions about “Bitcoin”. You might want to create a new posting for this, or write an article yourself, since I am by no means an expert on this topic. However, I do think it is an important topic for all of us.
    I just listened to an interview on the Peter Schiff show with Tom Woods filling in. Tom seems enthused about Bitcoin. Tom interviewed Erik Voorhees, who offered his explanations, but really didn’t describe the currency in a way that made it seem safe, spendable, etc. Here is that link, if anyone wants to listen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi2WgeJ73IE
    As I understand what Erik said:
    1) Bitcoin is a digital currency (like fiat dollars), but Bitcoin will never create more than 21 million Bits of currency; However, he went on to say that it can be subdivided into smaller currency bits, (suggesting that those who buy in early might find that the Bitcoins they bought were worth more, even though the actual value of each Bitcoin lessens as more Bitcoins are created (just like fiat dollars).
    2) A call-in listener reported that one Bitcoin site has a message from the FBI on it that says the FBI is profiling users and may be treating them as criminals.
    3) There is a danger that, if the entire internet were to be be shut down, no one could access their Bitcoins until or unless the Internet resumes service However, during this period Erik said that the Bitcoin account records would remain as they were.

    4) Bitcoins can be exchanged worldwide as a universal currency, without government regulation.
    5) Erik and Tom seemed to be in agreement that those in the Libertarian movement should get educated about Bitcoin, because it is a revolutionary currency whose true potential is to make the gov currency irrelevant.
    6) Bitcoin is not backed by Gold or Silver or any physical commodity. It is a digital ledger system that records transactions. It is a self- controlling (AI) software system that creates a new Bitcoin every 10 minutes.
    There were other bits of information about Bitcoin, but I will stop here and allow your readers to explore the information for themselves.
    Frankly, I was both intrigued and frightened by the idea. (Not usually a good combination, but I will keep learning about it.)

    Shorty, I hope you find this useful. Have a great day! Linda

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    Shorty Dawkins Says:

    Linda, as far as I’m concerned, one look at #3 tells me all I need to know.

    3) There is a danger that, if the entire internet were to be be shut down, no one could access their Bitcoins until or unless the Internet resumes service However, during this period Erik said that the Bitcoin account records would remain as they were.

    Why would I want a currency that is entirely reliant upon the Internet? It doesn’t make sense to me. Give me silver and gold coins and rounds, or barter.

    Shorty

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    Darin Bowers Says:

    Im with you shorty. Hard assets in your hand until, atleast until the paper currency is bound back to gold and the excess is destroyed. And even then, hard assets to protect yourself.

    Gold and silver.

    I dont hold them now because i believe they are very volatile right now- their value could decline sharply with a deflationary event. (stock market crash)

    I found this today and it is VERY good in my opinion,
    its a couple years old, but he speaks truth————> http://youtu.be/EKlKGB3YwjE

    -Darin

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    Shorty Dawkins Says:

    Yep, Darin, I like the feel of the real thing.

    Here is a different alternative that is better, IMHO, than bitcoin. It is called BerkShares. It is a local currency based in Western Massachusetts.
    http://www.berkshares.org/whatareberkshares.htm

    The whole point of Berkshares is to keep money circulating in the local area.

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    Linda Says:

    Hi Shorty, Darin,
    Yeah- that is where I tuned out. I think Tom Woods was caught up in it because he is a Libertarian and it is being promoted as the ‘ultimate Libertarian currency’. Thanks for that information. I am familiar with Berkshares and I agree with that alternative currency, but I am not in Western Massachusetts, and WA doesn’t have anything that good.

    Darin, -I also prefer something solid in my hands, and I agree about the volatility issue/ concern.
    So, not Bitcoins for me. I will look up the link you offered (Darin) and give you feedback later.

    Have a great evening.
    Linda

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    Darin Bowers Says:

    The only issue i see with BerkShares is it seems to be another fiat currency. I dodnt see that it was backed by anything, so how would it be valued ? What determines the value ? Maybe im missing the point, but i think id rather have gold an silver. An ounce of gold is still worth its weight.

    But these Federal Reserve notes are damn near worthless, and about to get worse, by design.

    -Darin

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    Linda Says:

    Hi Darin,
    Since Berkshares are local-bank-based, and community based, their objective (when I first read about this project some years ago) was to maintain community stability during times of economic crisis. As far as I know, you are correct: they do not differ greatly from fiat dollars, except that they are community based and they encourage local development and local spending. I think these two areas are important, because they encourage stability and development within communities and keep earnings local.

    From my perspective, they do not replace gold and silver, or other precious metals, which is absolutely the best way to go for those who can afford it. The downside to gold and silver is the that precious metals are only one executive order away from being confiscated. Also, a home can be robbed of precious metals, and then the wealth is gone; etc..When I lived in Alaska, I went up to Hatcher Pass where some of the more productive goldmines were. The sites are still there. I went up there again and again and sat and thought about those miners. Those men risked their lives; they lived under very harsh conditions to mine for gold; then the gov confiscated all of it.
    So, I am not at all against having gold and silver, but I see that (historically) tyrants want more and more of the wealth and will go to any length to get it. I am sure you can protect what you have, but most people probably can’t protect their gold against a greedy government.
    From that perspective, even though Berkshares are bank based, they are local-community based, so the whole community profits by using them, and I think that has merit.

    I hope that makes sense. Have a great day! Linda

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