February 15th, 2013

Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?


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This article was written by Brandon Smith and originally published at Alt-Market.com

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes:  Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.  Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.   You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”.  Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populace is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss.  One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”.

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes.  However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system.  Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore.  It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity.  A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name.  Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite.  The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values.

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy.  It is not our ally or friend.  It is not a “part of us”.  It is now a separate and dangerous entity.  A parasite feeding off the masses.  It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans.  It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.

Once we understand this fact, a question then arises – What do we do about it?  If we cannot redress our grievances through the election process because both parties favor the same authoritarian direction, and if our street protests are utterly ignored by the mainstream media and the establishment, and if civil suits do nothing but drag on for years with little to no benefit, then what is left for us?  Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads?

I cannot deny that we are very close to such a conclusion.  Anyone who does deny it is living in a candy coated fantasy land.  However, there are still certain options that have not been exhausted, and we should utilize them if for no other reason than to maintain the moral high ground while the power elite continue to expose their own despotic innards.

State And County Nullification

The assertion of local authority in opposition to federal tyranny is already being applied across the country.  Multiple states, counties, and municipalities are issuing declarations of defiance and passing legislation which nullifies any future federal incursions against 2nd Amendment protections.  For instance, the Gilberton Borough Council in PA in conjunction with Police Chief Mark Kessler has recently adopted a resolution defending all 2nd Amendment rights within their municipal borders up to and including the denial of operations by federal officers:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/02/03/first-molon-labe-town-in-america/

Approximately 283 county Sheriffs and multiple police officers have taken a hard stand, stating that they will either not aid federal enforcement officials with gun control related activities, or, that they will not allow such activities within their county, period:

http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

This trend of dissent amongst law enforcement officials debunks the nihilistic view promoted by disinformation agents that “no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns”.   It has also shaken the Obama Administration enough that the White House is struggling to counter it by wining and dining police unions and sheriffs departments in order to form their own “coalition of the willing”.  Obama seems to believe that holding press conferences using children or police as background props will somehow earn him political capital in the battle for gun rights, but I have my doubts:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-asks-police-help-pass-183056466.html


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55716645-90/com-congress-doing-enforcement.html.csp

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment.

This does not mean, though, that we should rely on nullification alone.  While the gun grabbers are stumbling into severe resistance at the national level, some representatives are attempting to supplant gun rights at the state level, including New York, California, Washington State, and Missouri.  The goal here is obvious; counter states rights arguments by using anti-gun legislators to impose federal controls through the back door of state legislation.

They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms.  It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality.  Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility).  The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court).  At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation.  The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.

Economic Nullification

There is actually a fantastic economic opportunity to be had by states and counties that nullify gun control legislation.  Many gun manufacturers and retail businesses are facing financial oblivion if the establishment has its way, and moving operations outside the U.S. is not necessarily practical for most of them (gun manufacturing is one of the last business models we still do better than the rest of the world).  Municipalities could offer safe haven to these businesses, allowing them to continue producing firearms and high capacity magazines, fulfill expanding public demand, and create a surging cash flow into their area while at the same time giving the federal government the finger.

This strategy does not come without dangers, though.  Many states and counties are addicted to federal funding, and some would go bankrupt without it.  The obvious first response by the feds to protesting local governments will be to cut off the river of cash and starve them into subservience.

This brand of internal financial warfare can be countered by local governments by nullifying a few other unconstitutional regulations, including those issued by the EPA and the BLM.  States and counties could easily disable federal land development restrictions and begin using resource development as a means to generate supplemental income.  North Dakota is essentially doing this right now in the Bakken Oil Fields, becoming one of the few states in America that is actually creating legitimate high paying jobs (instead of part time wage slave jobs), and growing more prosperous every year.

This tactic is not limited to state governments either.  Counties also have the ability, with the right officials involved, to regain control of their economic destinies anytime they want.  All it takes is the courage to rock the establishment boat.

Refuse All Registration Schemes

National firearms registration and gun databases are almost always followed by full gun confiscation.  The process is usually done in a standardized manner:  First demand extensive registration and cataloging of gun owners.  Second, ban more effective styles of weaponry, including semi-automatics and high capacity rifles (Let the sport hunters keep their bolt actions for a time, and lure them onto your side with the promise that they will get to keep their .270 or their 30-06).  Then take all semi-auto handguns.  Then, ban high powered magnum style bolt actions by labeling them “sniper rifles”.  Then demand that the gun owners that still remain allow official “inspections” of their home by law enforcement to ensure that they are “storing their weapons properly”.  Then, force them to move those weapons to a designated “warehouse or range”, locked away for any use other than recreational shooting.  Then, when the public is thoroughly disconnected from their original right to bear arms, take everything that’s left.

Keep in mind that the federal government and certain state governments are acting as if they would like to skip ALL of the preliminary steps and go straight to full confiscation.  I am not discounting that possibility.  But, they may feign certain concessions in the near term in order to get the one thing they really want – full registration.

Registration must be the line in the sand for every single gun owner in this country, whether they own several semi-automatics, or one pump action shotgun.  Once you give in to being registered, fingerprinted, photographed, and tracked wherever you decide to live like a convicted sexual predator, you have shown that you have no will or spirit.  You have shown that you will submit to anything.

After a full registration has been enacted, every gun (and maybe every bullet) will be tracked.  If confiscation is utilized, they know exactly what you have and what you should not have, and exactly where you are.  Criminals will still acquire weapons illegally, as they always have.  The only people who will suffer are law abiding citizens. It’s a recipe for dictatorship and nothing more.

Gun Barter Networks

The retail firearms and ammo markets are Sahara dry right now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future.  Anything that is available for purchase is usually twice the price it was last year.  Extremely high demand is removing retail from the picture before any legislation is even passed.  Enter barter…

Cash will remain a bargaining tool for as long as the dollar remains the world reserve currency and holds at least some semblance of value (this will end sooner than most people think).  That said, as gun items become scarce, the allure of cash may be supplanted.  The signs of this are already evident.

Gun owners are now looking more to trade firearms and accessories for OTHER firearms and accessories, because they know that once they sell an item, they may never see it again, and the usefulness of cash is fleeting.  Gun Barter is not only a way for firearms enthusiasts to get what they need, it is also a way for them to move around any future gun sale restrictions that may arise.  Private gun sales are legal in some states, but do not count on this to last.  Barter leaves no paper trail, and thus, no traceable evidence of transaction.  For those who fear this idea as “legally questionable”, all I can do is remind them that an unconstitutional law is no law at all.  If it does not adhere to the guidelines of our founding principles, our founding documents, and our natural rights, then it is just a bunch of meaningless words on a meaningless piece of paper signed by a meaningless political puppet.

3D Printing And Home Manufacturing

3D Printing is now available to the public and for those with the money, I recommend they invest quickly.  Unless the establishment wants to make the possession of these printers illegal, as well as shut down the internet, there will be no way to stop data streamers from supplying the software needed to make molds for every conceivable gun part, including high capacity mags.  This technology has been effectively promoted by the Wiki Weapons Project:

http://defensedistributed.com/

According to current ATF law, the home manufacture of gun parts is not technically illegal, as long as they are not being produced for sale.  But in a state or county where federal gun laws have been nullified, what the ATF says is irrelevant.

Home manufacturing of gun parts and ammo would be a highly lucrative business in such safe haven areas.  And, the ability to build one’s own self defense platform is a vital skill in a sparse market environment.  The ultimate freedom is being able to supply your own needs without having to ask for materials or permission from others.  It should be the goal of every pro-gun activist to reach this independence.

Force The Establishment To Show Its True Colors

While some in the general public may be incensed by the trampling of our freedoms by government, many (including myself) would view direct action and aimless French Revolution-style violence as distasteful and disastrous.  The moral high ground is all that any dissenting movement has.  It will be hard enough to keep this ground with the constant demonization of liberty minded people that is being espoused by propaganda peddlers like the SPLC and numerous media outlets.  We do not need to help them do their jobs.

Now, to be clear, I have NO illusions that the above strategies will defuse a confrontation between those who value freedom, and those who desire power.  The hope is that enough people within our population will refuse to comply, and that this will make any future despotism impossible to construct.  However, it is far more likely that these acts of defiance will elicit a brutal response from the government.  And in a way, that is exactly what we want…

The Founding Fathers went through steps very similar to those I listed above and more to counter the tightening grip of the British Empire during the first American Revolution.  The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly.  Force them to show their true colors.  Expose their dishonor and maliciousness.  Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.

Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy.  They will claim that we need a “majority” we do not have in order to prevail.  These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives.  They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant.  They mean nothing.  No revolution for good ever begins with “majority support”.  Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals.  When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy.  All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime.  We are the first and last line.  If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come.  This is our responsibility.  This is our providence.  There can be no complacency.  There can be no compromise.  There can be no fear.  It ends on this ground.  One way, or another…




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14 Responses to “Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?”

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    Cal Says:

    I believe we have very few peaceful solutions left to us. We do have Governors of our states that should (key word) start removing and arresting for prosecution those in the states and sent to represent the states in the fed gov for not keeping their lawfully required and legally binding Oath of Office. But we must insist on it.

    Here in California Gov Brown seems to be ignoring my requests for his action for those in office that have committed criminal acts. I have asked him to remove Feinstein from office as the laws require, and then to have her arrested and prosecuted. (Will post the laws that apply here in another comment so that this one is not miles long)

    Some other news that many may be interested in hearing is that Gun Manufacturers are backing us up.

    Group of Second Amendment-Supporting Gun Makers Now Refusing to Sell Arms to Law Enforcement in New York (And Other Gun-Restricting States) (The Blaze.com)
    Published on Friday, 15 February 2013 10:57

    Since New York State enacted its restrictive new gun laws, many manufacturers have sent that state (and others) a message: If local governments are going to severely restrict the ability of citizens to own guns, then these companies will not be selling to law enforcement in those areas.

    Gun manufacturers supporting the US Constitution, Second Amendment:
    Olympic Arms, Inc
    La Rue Tactical
    EFI, LLC – Extreme Firepower
    York Arms

    Olympic Arms press release on Facebook.

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
    “Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights. One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.

    Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines. We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller – 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago – 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.

    Due (to) the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity – will no longer be served as customers.”

    EFI, LLC has a long-standing policy of not selling to law enforcement in states that restrict private gun ownership. EFI President Melinda Meador;’s statement:

    “We refuse to recognize law enforcement exemptions on gun control. If a product that we manufacture is not legal for a private citizen to own in a jurisdiction, we will not sell that product to a law-enforcement agency in that jurisdiction.”

    The York Arms website – on the company’s policy as it relates to gun sales for New York.

    “Based on the recent legislation in New York, we are prohibited from selling rifles and receivers to residents of New York. We have chosen to extend that prohibition to all governmental agencies associated with or located within New York. As a result we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies.
    For “civilian” customers residing in New York: 
At your choice, we will:
    complete your order and ship to a dealer of your choice outside of NY
    refund your payment in full
    hold your items here for up to 6 months, at no charge – if you are in the process of leaving NY and taking residence in another state.

    For LE/Govt customers in New York: Your orders have been cancelled.”

    La Rue Tactical, Texas: new policy posted on Facebook:

    “Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.”

    Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, and Glock need to be pressured to stop selling to police in New York. Those three companies are recommended by the NYPD for use by their officers. Calls and email inquires about any changes to their law enforcement sales policies have not been returned by Glock, Sig Sauer, and Smith & Wesson.

    Update from:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/15/group-of-second-amendment-supporting-gun-makers-now-refusing-to-sell-arms-to-law-enforcement-in-new-york-and-other-gun-restricting-states/

    Templar Custom, North Carolina makers of precision rifles. CEO Bob Reynolds spoke with TheBlaze on Friday and reinforced the company’s position as posted on Facebook.

    “We will not sell arms to agents of the state of New York that hold themselves to be “more equal” than their citizens.

    As long as the legislators of New York think they have the power to limit the rights of their citizens, in defiance of the Constitution, we at Templar will not sell them firearms to enforce their edicts.”

    Cheaper Than Dirt (online retailer)are also supportive of the second Amendment. Their statement on their Facebook page.

    “Recently, companies such as LaRue Tactical and Olympic Arms have announced that they will no longer sell prohibited items to government agencies and personnel in states that deny the right to own those items to civilians. It has been and will continue to be Cheaper Than Dirt’s policy to not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and/or agents in states, counties, cities, and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens. We support and encourage other companies that share in this policy.”

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    Linda Says:

    Dear Brandon, A thoughtful response to your article.
    There are several points that you make which I would like to address: I am in complete agreement that there must be a balance between our use of nullification, and any violent response to the incessant violence done to us to date. In several previous articles on this site, various heroes have talked about the idea that the other side must clearly have been shown to have drawn first blood, no matter how awful that is for us, because we must maintain the high ground. You also make mention of the importance of that tool in your article, and I believe we must continue to hold that line, no matter how challenging (or even painful) for us.
    There are three or four other strategies that seem to be useful to us at this juncture, when we are teetering on the brink of a designed civil war. You already mentioned nullification, which can be used effectively to focus public attention, to draw lines in the sand, and to have the gov show their hand to the public, so that more and more people have to admit that the gov is going too far.
    In addition to this, there is secession, which Ron Paul and others have advocated. I particularly like that idea, as long as my state gets its act together before the SHTF. If not, I guess I will be moving to Montana.
    The third solution is David Zuniga’s Indictment Engine, which has real possibilities, if we can wade through the corruption in the legal system and get real results in the form of incarceration of the evil ones in power, as well as the confiscation of their bank accounts. Taking them to the woodshed would be a very pleasant pastime, whether as an active participant, or as a spectator.
    Your ideas about financial activism are appealing as well. I should very much like to see more gun bartering and the use of the computer gun-printing programs to start arming everyone and his dog (as long as the dog isn’t mentally ill).
    Lastly, I wanted to add an article I just gleaned from the internet which was written about the difficulties that occur when even a single word is mistranslated. From that article, I want to extract a section that really has a more pertinent and powerful meaning: It tells what happens when you hand over your governance to a Monarch of any stripe, and that what you get is never what you bargained for. Note that the Maori thought they were getting a legal system, but they wound up “ceding to her Majesty the Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty”. This should remind all of us that the masses think they are getting security, but they are ceding their freedoms; I doubt they actually realize that, having played ostrich for so long. Perhaps these articles will reveal the occult nature of the Colonialist philosophy, and their untrustworthiness, especially when power is on the line.

    Here is that article, from this website: http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/9-little-translation-mistakes-that-caused-big-problems-194944285.html?page=all

    9. Trouble at Waitangi

    In 1840, the British government made a deal with the Maori chiefs in New Zealand. The Maori wanted protection from marauding convicts, sailors, and traders running roughshod through their villages, and the British wanted to expand their colonial holdings. The Treaty of Waitangi was drawn up and both sides signed it. But they were signing different documents. In the English version, the Maori were to “cede to Her Majesty the Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty.” In the Maori translation, composed by a British missionary, they were not to give up sovereignty, but governance. They thought they were getting a legal system, but keeping their right to rule themselves. That’s not how it turned out, and generations later the issues around the meaning of this treaty are still being worked out.

    May you be Blessed in all you do. Linda

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    csaaphill Says:

    lol follow that crap will you we’ll be all disarmed and inprisoned for god knows how long. I say thr first time they come to enforce unconstitutional laws band together and stand armed. No point in draging all this on for years to come with those ways. America will yawn before any of that has any effect.
    Listen were the minority now 60% of americans want gun ctrl, why do you think these states are trying these unconstituional laws? Thats becuase they know they have the votes that’s why.
    And to think we can possibly vote them out in the next election is absolutley a farce. would you even for one minute think they’d even attempt such laws if they thought they would lose their jobs?
    Hell no they’d use different language like granfathered in, and maybe have it die out in like ten years like it did under clintons ban.
    Listen up Oath keepers if your serious about all this oath stuff then know this when and not if these laws come to pass on oh yes they will watch. 90 days after and their not turned or registered which is what Misourii is doing go stand with them armed. Don’t fool yoursleves into believing were not living out what is prophecied in the bible.
    I hope people aren’t disalusioned that this kind of rhetoric is even on their side. If so do me a favor when were disarmed following this crap please don’t cry about it.
    I can see the writing on the wall with all this crud. Wait wait wait we have a better solution er negotiations like whats his face in bravehaert. We can do this we can do that etc…
    All the while the laws stay the way they are and more and more people end up in prison and disarmed. For what 1-2-3 generations? Come on. Like we al lknow or should even if we do the nullification thing which in theory has my vote, but lets see that in action. Guy doesn’t register or turn in gun, guy goes to jail they confiscate all his guns not just the one, but all. guy goes to trial hopefully doesn’t cave but who knows people do cave. someone from our side gets chosen to be on the jury guy gets awuitted or hung jury. Court may or may not recharge him for retrial. Thing repeats itself at least twice with two mistrials finally guy is let alone. But wait wheres his guns?
    oh ya they were confiscated huh he might get the 06 back but since assault rifle is banned he wont.get that back.
    Anything to avoid civil war right?
    I say no I fear compliance more than civil war.
    In reality the pen is still what we have but that’s faslty coming to and end why? because they are not listening they are doing what they want.

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    csaaphill Says:

    sorry for the misspellings wish they had a edit option on here.

    [Editor's note: csaaphill, I regret that we do not have an edit option here, but I'm sure that if you think on it you will figure out why we don't. Meanwhile, just try writing your screeds on a word file and then pasting them into our text box after you've "proofed" them, yes? Thanks. Salute! Elias Alias, editor]

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    Tom Striker Says:

    The right to keep and bear arms and form a malitia against all threats . . . If the formed malitia does not have the arms to overcome the threats, the malitia may as well toss bb’s at a bear or filter the ocean with an aquarium pump. If the federal government regulates arms, they have regulated the malitia that is formed against ALL threats. Any regulation or diminishing of the simple instruction of the Second Amendment is therefore unconstitutional. A government that is BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE does not remove the ability of the people to protect themselves. The 2nd amendment is not just ideals to read and ponder, it is, instead, rules of rights, simply described and easily understood, to, if needed, invoke decisive and serious action, by a well organized malitia, with the necessary tools to protect the people who are protected by the Constitution of the United States against all threats . . . Before the big game, does a team stand in line waiting to have their bats sawn off by a coach, who’s being paid by the other team?

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    mike smith Says:

    @Brandon, I sat up and took notice when you mentioned Great Britain and Australia. Way before Obama came to power and when I heard Pres. George H.W. Bush mention the words ” NEW WORLD ORDER” I knew it was just a matter of time. You see I am a Christian and when NWO was mentioned My spirit lit up like a Roman candle. I knew that the NWO was nothing but the revived Roman Empire mentioned in Daniel and Rev. in the Holy Bible.The way I see GB and Aussy land, is that if and after they get gun control in the U.S. and give our sovereignty up to the U.N. ( I believe this to be the catalyst) to the NWO All Hell (literally) will break loose. It is imperative that we hold the line in the U.S. so it will not fall into the hands of the anti-christ @ Cal, I think you have a great idea also barter, and pressure the arms manufacturers to relocate to gun friendly states. Also if we could start pressuring the ammo makers in the same fashion. especially Federal, they seem to want to sell to the devil himself if he is the highest bidder. We need people of conviction and backbone!!!!

  7. 7
    Brandon Says:

    @csaaphill

    You seem to have missed the point of the article entirely. I never said “don’t fight back” if they come for your guns. What I AM SAYING, however, is that if we do fight back, as a movement we need to retain the moral high ground or we WILL lose. That means we do exactly what the Founding Fathers did, which was to exhaust all peaceful avenues in order to make sure the label of “terrorist” doesn’t stick when they use it.

    It’s called strategy, bud. Force the enemy into a position of weakness by refusing to play his game by his rules.

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    csaaphill Says:

    I guess I may have missread that sorry. Ok I get it ya make them fire first or sympathy wont be there. I’m reading all the time on these new bills being proposed, and lose hope. So that’s good to know then. Ya take the high road that’s cool.

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    csaaphill Says:

    Personally I wish we could do away with all infringements that we have now. Improbable but not impossible.

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    Robert Cates Says:

    House Bill HB-545 In Missouri We need to speak out and tell them what we think of them .I took the time to send Rory and Jill two Reps from Missouri this Email …Shame on you ! maybe you and JILL SCHUPP should move to new york and join there band of thugs when you lose you job! and yes i said lose becouse if this would ever fly even tghough we know it wont i would not sleep till i seen you and yor partner in crime JILL SCHUPP removed from office ..you were sworn to up hold the constitution ALL OF IT.let me refresh you your memory some for you.
    ..Second Amendment .. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. try and keep up with me here i know its hard for you to under stand the word infringed ..just look it up or have a colleaque explain it so you have a better under standing of its meaning ..Thanks for wasting our Tax money and your colleaques time for haveing to read such garbage!

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