February 8th, 2013

Who is Mentally Ill?

Wendy McElroy

[Note: The following article by Wendy McElroy appears on the Future of Freedom Foundation website. Wendy raises some very interesting points about the tying of gun ownership to mental health. It is a very good article. -- Shorty Dawkins, Associate Editor]


Who is Mentally Ill?
by Wendy McElroy * February 8, 2013

The current push toward gun control is being presented in a particularly dangerous and dishonest manner. It is being framed in terms of mental health and packaged in a way that almost guarantees victory for the advocates of control. The debating point proffered is, “How do we keep guns away from the mentally ill?”

Thus far, President Obama’s answer has been vague and administrative enough to avoid the need for Congressional approval.

As the International Business Times reports, “In addition to gun control measures, Obama’s anti-violence package includes increasing mental health resources, boosting funding for school security and lifting restrictions that prevent the government from researching the causes of gun violence.”

These few specifics are indicative, however. For example, Obama is attempting to lift a longstanding ban on the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) taking a position on gun control. In 1996, Congress made the appropriation of funds to the CDC conditional on the stipulation that “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”

Now Obama has asked for $10 million for the CDC to research “the causes and prevention of gun violence.” Obama is declaring gun violence to be a public health issue. And he wishes to expand the sharing of mental health information between government agencies.

Moreover, Obama seems to have reversed himself on whether doctors should ask patients about whether they own guns. Under Obamacare, the federal government cannot use medical records to compile a database of gun owners. Nevertheless, Obama recently and prominently stated that Obamacare “does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.” Indeed, the American Academy of Pediatrics encourages them to do so in the name of public safety.

Public safety. Public health. And the individual is lost in the shell game.

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    beau Says:

    If any doctor ask about what’s in your house that dose not pertain to why you are there stand up bid good day and find a new doctor

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    Linda Says:

    Hi Wendy, About 4 months ago my regular doctor asked me if I kept a gun at home, so I don’t think Obama has changed his mind about gathering information in this way, no matter what he might say publicly. Obviously, I ditched that doctor, only to discover that I now have NO medical insurance. Neat trick, eh? What Obama says is pretty much irrelevant; look at his face when he talks about gun control; watch what he does. His behavior is legally insane. because he is a danger to everyone in this country, and he and his minions are doing everything in their power to destroy our country and turn us into slaves. Those who bow before him as to a god, are as sick as he is.
    Most people don’t realize that insanity is not defined anywhere in the mental health code. It is a legal term used to describe someone who is a danger to themselves or others, and it is outlined in the RCWs for each state. So, when I say that someone with the kind of power he is wielding, with the vicious intent he has repeatedly demonstrated, is mentally ill, I am speaking very precisely. The only difference between this ‘diagnosis’ and the standard such use of the term is that Obama is a megalomaniac who will not be satisfied until he crushes and demeans our entire nation. Therefore, the SCALE of his dangerous actions and his deviancy dwarfs that of the average person usually seen in the mental health system. However, the reality is no different, even if the costs to us of allowing this to continue are much greater than they would normally be when dealing with a madman.

    Sadly, the government has taken over much of the mental health system in this country, and, like everything else they have become involved in, the mental health system is less effective than ever, indeed it is outright broken at this point. The tools are still good, but the problem itself cannot be addressed until our government is restored, and we get the gov out of every aspect of our life and existence. Once we are free, then the issue of advances in education, medicine, mental health, food production, maintaining an armed militia, and so on, can be addressed. Until then, we have to realize that we cannot solve the problem you are describing, until we unplug everyone from the teat of the Great Nanny state, and enable people to work, be creative, produce new solutions, and use their skills and talents to truly have an effect in these areas. The medical, educational, mental health, media, food production, war on drugs, and every other system in our society is broken because of government intervention. They have corrupted everything they have touched; the healing can only begin once they are no longer infesting everything.

    Your presentation suggests that you believe that Obama is honestly championing the cause of public safety. It should be obvious from what I have written so far, that I don’t believe that Obama is taking an actual, genuine stance, nor that he is truly concerned for the safety of the community. None of his behavior supports that conclusion. He makes up facts as he goes along, lies, and does what suits him, he ignores Congress (the House of the people) and he does all this without making any effort to disguise the fact that he thinks he can run this country without the consent of the governed. He wants to play god. His “facts” are in direct contradiction to the reality we live in, and the reason for that is that he is lying. When someone lies to the people to push the destruction of our freedoms, that means they represent a danger to us. So, if I have to take a stand about who is mentally ill, I would have to say that Obama and his ilk are a very dangerous breed of sociopaths, who are extremely mentally ill. He is not honest; his cause is not just; he is a monster who is about to crush everyone, whether they politely go along with what he is doing, or not. The sane will resist and try to end this peacefully, lawfully and decently. Because Obama is a madman, it is unlikely they will succeed. Don’t you see that he wants this fight? He knows exactly what he is doing to this country and he is doing it with no remorse for any of us.
    Therefore, I do not believe that we are caught between the need to ensure public safety and the need for our 2nd Amendment rights; rather the reverse is true. A healthy person will always defend himself. A healthy person is competent and able to grow, hunt for his or her own food, make his or her own choices, and will fight for his or her own freedom. A healthy person (mentally and physically) must defend their rights and their values.
    There is no choice now for anyone who is healthy, sane, courageous and true to their oaths. That choice is not dependent upon whether or not the rest of society wants to play ostrich. The solution for the rest of society is to wake up. If they bury their heads in the sand, then we will do everything in our power to educate them, but they are not our burden. And that is the critical point I hope to make to you. It is our responsibility to inform and educate. But I can’t walk if I have to carry all my neighbors on my back because they refuse to take an honest look at what is going on and be proactive. I have urged my neighbors to join me in being a Prepper, and been soundly laughed out of town. So, when the food riots start I will be long gone. They are adults, and they have the right to believe Obama; they also have the obligation to suffer the consequences of their choices. Once I have given them a chance, I can do no more. Worse still every time we act like we have to carry the whole world on our backs we make the world a little sicker. Fostering dependency, ensuring that we have no free thinkers, attaching us to the feed tubes in the matrix and making us into batteries for the “greater good” is all part of the mental malady of those who want to rule us. This has gotten so bad that we have to watch our speech, even when a few honest words would do a world of good; we are told we must give up our values when they contradict the newest fads of the masses; we must obey our leaders without question, and submit to all forms of humiliation, no matter the cost to us. Those who cheerfully go along, and who mock me when I try to help them prepare will not have my sympathy on the day when the world falls apart. They have made their choice.
    I doubt very seriously that there are many people left who have not been approached about taking sane precautions against the dark times ahead. Their response is a measure of the level of their programming, indoctrination and the propaganda that these people have swallowed whole hog. From the wild-eyed Alex Jones, to the reserved tom Woods, to the passionate and persuasive Stewart Rhodes, there are heroes who are taking this problem seriously and educating the public. Do you honestly think that they are responsible if someone runs away from them, refuses to listen, or chooses to worship at the altar of the Pharaoh? This is not our problem.
    I have done my best to make it clear that the primary mental health problem we have at the moment is that the leadership has gone mad and is tyrannical. In addition, there is the enormous problem of those who are determined to remain blissfully ignorant while the 3,000 pound gorilla in the middle of the room, arms himself with a machine gun and strips them of their weapons. When a person becomes an adult, they also become responsible for their choices. A healthy adult will always err on the side of reason. But we are facing unreasonable government gone wild, and we are surrounded by masses of people who have handed over their ability to reason. We who fight are caught between these forces, and we who fight will do our best to awaken the confused. It is we who are in the middle, and it is we who are working to bring the confused to our side, and to help resolve this peacefully, with state nullification and the Indictment Engine of David Zuniga. I pray God we are able to use the courts and put the criminals in chains, but, failing that, we will not obey unlawful and dictatorial demands from a madman and his henchmen. We will NOT surrender our arms. The burden is on each and every person to choose which path they take and to live with the consequences.
    I wish you the best in making your choice. Linda

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    Gary Says:

    The gun question came up in a school questioneer roughly 20 years ago that was given to one of my sons. It was supposed to have been kept from the parents that this intrusion was being made into the lives of families, but my son brought a copy home. Also, as it turned out, though the forms were not to have been signed, everything was to have been kept anonymous or so the students were told, one student was later taken from class to investigate remarks he made about a relatives use of drugs. This surreptitious type of interference is now showing its open display of disdain for families of religious faith, with the most contempt being directed to those who hold to a Christian world view.
    The health of our nation is directly related to our humility before God and our relationship to Him. It is an uncertain future we face as long as we continue unabated in our disrespect and irreverence. Evil does not reside in the barrel of a gun. It issues from the heart which is disposed to performing it.
    As for Obama, he may not be the most evil President we shall ever have, but he certainly is the most evil President we have had to date. Obama’s sole design is to destroy the Constitution that we have known as our founding document these many years even as he so contemptuously mouths the oath that he defend it and support it.
    If you are able to answer the question posed in 2nd Corintians 6:15, than it is plainly evident this man is purposely playing into supporting islam much to our harm. It is the spirit of the age and many of our citizens have been deceived by it. It was not my intention that this be a polemic, yet years ago it would not have been thought strange to “defend the Gospel,” rather it would have been thought appropriate. The careful reading of the Gospels would clearly show that man’s relationship to Christ is very narrowly defined. So too is the person of Christ, and it is because of this Person that makes evident the true nature of islam which denies both the Father and the Son. Obama openly despises the One in favor of those who deny Him. That in itself, is evidence enough of the traitorous nature of the man. He should have been impeached long ago except at this point in time, there remains neither wisdom nor will to do so.

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    Never Again! Says:

    This is just a tactic to disarm EVERYONE. You see, the herd was happy to disarm the evil felons back in 1968. And, as follows naturally, legislatures went to work making EVERYTHING a friggin’ felony. By granting them the unjust “authority” to disarm the “mentally ill” will just cause them to term EVERY questionable (read: non-compliant) behavior as mental illness (or a precursor thereof to be nipped in the bud.)

    As a member of a tribe who has BEEN unjustly labeled by the powers that be, I just cannot condone a society that would pursue such a means to ANY end.

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED: The GUARANTEE makes NO exception for felons OR the insane. And as SO MANY freedom-loving felons still HAVE them, the only protection from their felonious and insane actions MUST be resisted by EQUAL or OVERWHELMING FORCE.

    !לעולם לא עוד

  5. 5
    Tyranni-Cull Enterprises, LLC Says:

    And, let us never forget the lowly Hoplophobe…

    Cited from http://www.gunlaws.com/GunPhobia.htm

    A modern scourge.

    Hoplophobia, n. Irrational, morbid fear of guns (c. 1966, coined by Col. Jeff Cooper, from the Greek hoplites, weapon; see his book Principles of Personal Defense). May cause sweating, faintness, discomfort, rapid pulse, nausea, sleeplessness, nondescript fears, more, at mere thought of guns. Presence of working firearms may cause panic attack. Hoplophobe, hoplophobic.

    Hoplophobes are common and should never be involved in setting gun policies. Point out hoplophobic behavior when noticed, it is dangerous, sufferers deserve pity, and should seek treatment. When confronted about their condition, hoplophobes typically go into denial, a common characteristic of the affliction. Sometimes helped by training, or by coaching at a range, a process known to psychiatry as “desensitization,” a useful methodology in treating many phobias.

    Hoplophobic behavior is often obvious from self-evident irrational responses to real-life situations, and is frequently seen in the news media and public debate. When a criminal commits a crime using a gun, hoplophobes often seek to disarm, or make lists of, innocent people who didn’t do anything, a common, classic and irrational response.

    The idea of creating an enormously expensive government-run 90-million-name database of legitimate gun owners — which by definition would not include armed criminals — is a prime example of an irrational hoplophobic response to the issue of crime. How writing your name in such a list would help stop crime is never even addressed. (See, “The Only Question About Gun Registration”)

    An effort is underway nationally to have hoplophobia recognized in the DSM, the official directory of mental ailments. Resistance from elements in the medical profession suggest this may be quite difficult, but that does not reduce the importance of recognizing a widespread, virulent, detrimental mental condition commonly found in the populace. The actual number of undiagnosed hoplophobes is unknown, but believed to be in the tens of millions.

    Read Dr. Sarah Thompson’s brilliant essay on the medical nature of this afflicition, the article that got the ball rolling on serious medical study of a condition affecting millions of Americans.

    Read Dr. Bruce Eimer’s insightful short description of the problem.

    Hoplophobes are dangerous. They should not be involved in setting public policy.
    Hoplophobes are victims. They are sick and need help.
    Hoplophobes deserve sympathy. It’s not their fault they are afflicted.
    Hoplophobes should seek treatment. Help shoot for a cure. ”

    To add, charitable though it may be, we must DIS-allow UNREASONABLE people from defining what IS or IS NOT “reasonable.”

  6. 6
    Mr.B Says:

    Heaven help any healthcare provider/professional if I am on the jury of their malpractice lawsuit! We need to start suing the healthcare providers/professionals for every little thing they do that is not correct or against you or in a manner which you believe has an underlying motive.
    The healthcare system is now to behaviorally alter how one thinks, by reining you into obedience and subservience. It wants to turn you into a homosexual that will do anything a healthcare worker tells you to do. Sue the rat bastards!
    If a doctor should ask my wife about guns, I am as good as dead because she cannot hold her tongue. I did speak to a Divorce Attorney who stated that I would in fact have grounds for divorce as the injured party as what occurs under my roof is of nobody’s concern, and I would also have grounds for Third Party lawsuit resulting from what happens between my wife, the doctor, and the government, which results in an action being taken against me or results in my reputation to be called into question, or listed, as result of same. Hey, it will mean that I get rid of my wife and make some money off of the malpractice insurance carrier.
    I no longer donate to any charity as result of doctors and other healthcare workers being GOVERNMENT RATS. I no longer will donate blood. Humanity can go to hell in a handbasket. What is now necessary is a complete dismantling of the current Socialist Liberal government, as both parties are corrupt, and work from that point to restore and reestablish a Constitutional Republic with individual freedoms and uphold the United States Constitution especially the Bill of Rights or it will very soon become the Bill of Privileges. A corrupt exempt class of elitists are not to be tolerated. I stood in formation at too many police funerals. The Oath Breakers, must be put on notice, forthwith!

  7. 7
    Mr.B Says:

    For the Record: If anyone thinks that I am kidding, look at my Blog: Brittius.com, the comments are turned off as the liberal anti-gun crowd was sending death threats to me and my family. How out of character for them, or were they revealing their covert agenda?

  8. 8
    Gary Says:

    I had the experience of being confronted by a person just yesterday who, if not a danger to himself, was certainly thought a risk to those he came into contact with. I called 911 and requested an officer come and investigate the circumstances and at least address the validity of those concerns. After 20 minutes, not one officer was to be seen, and the person had left the area, removing himself some 6 blocks away from his first described activities. It was just such a person under similar exhibitions of behavior that disarmed and shot to death a police officer sent to discern whether a threat existed to the public or not in Washington State several years ago.
    We have too many of these people ranting incoherently with no assurance the public may be protected from them.
    The uncomfortable truth is, we shall under no circumstances restrain those who are recognized threats to the public, but will, given first opportunity, deprive otherwise responsible citizens their Constitutional rights because of those same persons thought or known to be dangerous.
    A family with whom I am familiar had a son who had become entangled in the drug culture. He progressed through the abusing of himself with several of the more dangerous addictions, and neither those providing him with them or himself were ever effectively restrained in a lawful manner from doing so. His parents were unable to secure his institutionalization, were compelled to provide support such as they were able in their own home, and were finally nearly murdered by him in a vicious knife attack. It took many months for them to recover. Only after that event, was their son finally committed.
    This whole thing is upside down. The citizens of the United States must never be deprived of their 2nd Amendment rights. More effective treatment for our mentally disadvantaged and punishments fitting for the flagrant disregard of our peace and safety and public well being are what must be focused on.
    A body deprived of its defenses, as in one overwhelmed by the AIDS virus, is subject to the most grievous offenses against it. Nationally speaking, in the same vein, once we deprive our people of their right to possess arms, we are subject to every danger both from without and within.
    An informed and armed people are our defense in time of danger.

  9. 9
    FedUp Says:

    There is no room for ANY more gun control. In fact, ALL gun control NEEDS to be repealed!

    If an individual proves him/herself unfit or unworthy of self-defense, then THEY need to be controlled in accordance with the law (committed/incarcerated) and NOT the guns whose control is wholly unconstitutional.

    If someone is free to walk the streets, they ARE free to keep and bear arms in defense of innocents and the Republic, modern alarmist views [and the unconstitutional regulations enforced to appease them] notwithstanding.

    p.s. The new “Molon Labe” t-shirt ROCKS!!! http://oathkeepersgear.com/store/index.php?_a=product&product_id=74

  10. 10
    Shorty Dawkins Says:

    You make several excellent points. Thank you. The taking away of the means for self-defense, because someone might misuse them is a form of pre-crime thought control. Let us consider, rather, that if someone uses a gun, a knife, or even a baseball bat to commit a crime against another, it is not the gun, the knife or the baseball bat that is at fault, it is he/she who commits the crime who is at fault, the tool used is immaterial.

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