December 10th, 2012

Nullification? State Senator Disagrees with Jefferson And Madison


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KrisAnne Hall

KrisAnne Hall

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Senate President Laughs At Constitutionalist, Calls For Nullifiers To Be “Shot” & “Hanged”

December 08, 2012 * by Tim Brown

From Freedom Outpost, here:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/12/fl-senate-president-laughs-at-constitutionalist-calls-for-nullifiers-to-be-shot-hung/

Republican Florida State Senate President Don Gaetz showed the true face of tyrannical RINOs in the Republican Party when he openly laughed and mocked the Constitutional principles espoused by KrisAnne Hall, an attorney and former prosecutor, who supports the Tenth Amendment and the right of the States to nullify unconstitutional laws implemented by the federal government. However, it appears that Mr. Gaetz also indicated his support of the tactic of the seventh President of the United States Andrew Jackson in how he would deal with “nullifiers.” He would have them shot and hanged.

According to Mrs. Hall, she not only spoke to Gaetz, but even wrote him and explained the positions of men like James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and Alexander Hamilton on State sovereignty. She then received what can only be explained as a violence threatening email from Gaetz to anyone that would support nullification. Here’s what Sen. Gaetz wrote:

Thank you for your email and for your passionate views.

Like you, I believe Obamacare is unconstitutional and wrong-headed policy. I have consistently voted in the Florida Legislature for legislation that affirms our state’s options, obligations and sovereignty under the United States Constitution. I am working every day to ensure the election of national candidates who will repeal and replace this extraordinarily bad policy.

As to nullification, I tend to favor the approach used by Florida’s first Governor, Andrew Jackson:

It is said that one evening, while he was president, General Jackson was interrupted in his reading in his bedroom by an alarmed military aide who breathlessly reported, “Mr. President, the “nullifiers” are in front of the Executive Mansion with torches and guns. They are screaming that each state has the right to decide for itself which federal laws to follow. They threaten to burn us down if you will not agree with them.”

Without lifting his head from his reading, Andrew Jackson said, “Shoot the first nullifier who touches the Flag. And hang the rest.”

Chaplain, I have sworn an oath on my father’s Bible before Almighty God to preserve, protect and defend the constitution and government of the United States. And that’s exactly what I intend to do. Count me with Andrew Jackson.

Senator Don Gaetz

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Apparently Senator Gaetz is completely ignorant of the Constitution concerning the Tenth Amendment, or has at best, a warped understanding of it, which leads him to threaten not only people like yours truly and Mrs. Hall, but all those who support State nullification of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) and the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

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Here is a spirited take on the Gaetz embarrassment from Dan Johnson, Founder PANDA “People Against The NDAA” at PandaUnite.org

Quoting from that link – That’s enough, Senator. You’ve just set the constitutionalists on fire.

The Constitution gives power to the states to assert certain laws are unConstitutional, or to have whatever powers are not granted to the Federal Government. People who support this do not need to be “shot” or “hanged.”

14th Amendment, Section III:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

Sen. Gaetz should never be able to hold office again, for comforting the enemies of the Constitution.

Nullification of unConstitutional legislation is our right.

It’s time to demand an apology from Sen. Gaetz for his ridiculous statement.

Call his office at (850)-897-5747 and DEMAND, politely and civilly, he retract his statement.

Sen. Gaetz needs to be reminded what his Oath is. His Oath is to defend our rights against all enemies, foreign and domestic….not to aid and abet them by discrediting those who stand up for the Constitution.

https://pandaunite.org/ndaa-nullifiers-should-be-shot-hanged/

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Note from Oath Keepers editor: Gaetz has insulted bluntly a very popular activist. There is no question that KrisAnne Hall is an inspired leader in the Constitution movement in America. Smart, dedicated, and very knowledgeable, she is a powerful voice.  I subscribe to her newsletter. Many patriots hold her in high regard, as do I. In no way is the following meant to disparage Mrs. Hall in any way. I would, however, be delighted to disparage Senator Gaetz. I do feel that while Gaetz is another statist who betrays his Oath and displays his ignorance, he has not actually loaded the gun with which he appears to shoot himself in the foot. This instance, in my view, is a “miss”, or shooting a “blank” at one’s foot. Be that as it may, I do recommend letting Gaetz hear about this from readers and voters.

Two things. 1) I believe that Gaetz alluded to something Andrew Jackson is alleged to have said, therefore we cannot actually say, ourselves, that Gaetz has said that nullifiers should be shot and hung. That would be something of a “reach”, in my opinion. What we can say, (and this is bad enough, for sure), is that Gaetz  agrees with an alleged statement which included that language – without of course our knowing the full context of Jackson’s statement; and, 2) I further think that Gaetz needs to go back and re-do his Oath, and this time he needs to leave out the “government of the United States” part. Am I right? I’ve not looked it up, yet. Correct me if I’m wrong, but my own Oath did not include any allegiance to the damned government, which, as we’ve stressed again and again here at Oath Keepers, is not the same as the Constitution. Maybe a Senator’s Oath in Florida includes “government” as an object, and equates it to the Constitution, but I doubt that. Any readers who know Florida law regarding a State Senator’s Oath, please let me hear from you by clicking on “Contact” just below our page header at top, or in a comment here. Thanks.

Oh – And one other thing – Be sure to read the first two comments under this article, comments #s 1 and 2. Great stuff there. (Thanks Austrianeconomicsarecolorblind.)

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4 Responses to “Nullification? State Senator Disagrees with Jefferson And Madison”

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    Austrian Economics is Color Blind Says:

    Federalist paper 28:

    If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.

    Declaration of Independence:

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another …

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it …

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government …

    Thomas Jefferson on Secession (1803)
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/8508.html

    Federalist paper 46:

    But ambitious encroachments of the federal government, on the authority of the State governments, would not excite the opposition of a single State, or of a few States only. They would be signals of general alarm. Every government would espouse the common cause. A correspondence would be opened. Plans of resistance would be concerted. One spirit would animate and conduct the whole. The same combinations, in short, would result from an apprehension of the federal, as was produced by the dread of a foreign, yoke; and unless the projected innovations should be voluntarily renounced, the same appeal to a trial of force would be made in the one case as was made in the other.

    Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.

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    Austrian Economics is Color Blind Says:

    Nullification: Answering the Objections
    http://www.libertyclassroom.com/objections/

    State Nullification: What Is It?
    http://www.libertyclassroom.com/nullification/

    Tom Woods: Secession Vs. Nullification
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmQpAQ_Rv9U

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    Texx Says:

    Jackson’s comment may be apocryphal, but what he actually did regarding nullification was just as hard-nosed and even more effective: he got the Force Bill through Congress, authorizing him to utilize whatever military force necessary to bring the Nullificationists to heel. They backed off of their own accord. Didn’t fully learn their lesson, though … until 1861-65.

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    opera.com Says:

    Today, I went to the beach with my kids. I found a sea shell and gave it to my 4 year old
    daughter and said “You can hear the ocean if you put this to your ear.” She placed the shell to her ear and screamed.

    There was a hermit crab inside and it pinched her ear.
    She never wants to go back! LoL I know this is totally off topic but I had to tell someone!

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