August 13th, 2012

A Marine Sergeant Speaks Out

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Editorial preface by Elias Alias – (the featured article is below this preface).

As a US Marine Vietnam Veteran myself, I have known for years that every war America was involved in since 1945 has been through United Nations (UN) involvement (or through a UN subsidiary) and has also been undeclared by Congress. Morality must count in a self-governing Republic, and un-Constitutional foreign policy has abused this nation’s military ever since our involvement in the UN in 1945, depriving our soldiers/warriors of any claim of morality.

I have held back for three years. I have not posted this sort of story because I still held some hope that Oath Keepers could help divert what’s obviously coming to America. But since our Marines and Soldiers are now being indoctrinated to see the American Tea Party (a non-violent middle-class political body) as “the Enemy” and are being prepared to face Americans right here on U.S. soil in the aftermath of the destruction of America by Wall Street and Washington D.C., I’m like this sergeant – I’m willing to speak up myself. If I quit college, joined the Marines, and volunteered for Vietnam service for reason of fighting communism “over there” so we would not have to “fight communism on our doorstep” (which is exactly what the lying-assed Congress told us back then), what on earth are we doing today sending our manufacturing base to China and selling our national debt to China when China is the largest damned-by-God communist nation on earth?

Why did I fight in Vietnam? Why? To we older war Vets, the answer is plain – I fought in Vietnam for the same pack of lies this Marine, who wrote the following article for Lew Rockwell dot com, has discovered while yet on active duty. It took me a long time after my time in war to realize what this man now clearly sees even while yet serving. You young Gung-Ho’s out there, listen up!

Same goes for all you Gung-Ho Drug Warriors here in the States and in other foreign countries. The War on Drugs is the same kind of lie as the so-called War on Terror. Don’t believe me? Don’t think the War on Drugs is another Fedgov Psy-Op? Then explain this for me please -

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXH3VGtpEHQ

Elias Alias, I-Corps RVN 1966 & 1967, FMFPAC

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The featured article below was published at Lew Rockwell dot com:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/117926.html

A MARINE SPEAKS OUT

August 11, 2012

A Marine Sergeant Speaks Out

Posted by Laurence Vance on August 11, 2012 03:36 PM

From a Marine sergeant who reads LRC and who is getting out of the military after eight years.

When I first joined the military I was a good, George Bush conservative who wanted to serve my country. But after three deployments to the Middle East as an infantryman I came to several realizations.

First, how can I petition or demonstrate against the U.S. government for violating my freedoms here while I take those same freedoms from the people of Iraq and Afghanistan? I cannot without being a hypocrite. Regretfully, I have confiscated firearms from non-hostile Iraqis, detained Iraqis and Afghans because of baseless, unfounded suspicion, and quartered in civilian towns and, in some cases, the homes of Iraqis and Afghans. These are all human rights violations that the Founders would have resisted by force and, although neither Afghanistan nor Iraq has accepted the U.S. Constitution, we still have no business committing acts in foreign countries that are contrary to the spirit and intent of our Bill of Rights.

Second, if the Founders would have resisted these egregious acts by force then how can I blame Iraqi and Afghan insurgent forces for their resistance? That leads to the question of why we are still fighting over there. Bin Laden is dead. We are literally traveling thousands of miles now to assume a defensive posture against people who are upset (and rightfully so) that their children, wives, and mothers cannot go to the market without being frisked. They are understandably angry that we are willing to accept their families as “collateral damage” when we target them or some other alleged America-hating aggressor. The Afghan people are tired of the world trying to shove democracy—a foreign concept of freedom that they consider to be illegitimate—down their throats.

Third, I see daily evidence in the news that the U.S. government does not hold its citizens in any higher esteem than it holds the citizens of Iraq or Afghanistan. SWAT raids on non-hostiles, warrantless searches & seizures, and TSA checkpoints & grope-downs are the norm for U.S. citizens just as they are for our victims in foreign countries. The only difference being that Americans think they have more to lose if they resist. In the book of Matthew, chapter 7 Christ said, “Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.” How can I as a follower of Christ take part in acts of which I do not want to be on the receiving end? As I said earlier, I cannot without being a hypocrite.

Fourth, as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces I took an oath upon enlistment to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States” and to “obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me.” I no longer feel that I can uphold my oath to support and defend the Constitution while obeying the orders of the President and some of my appointed leaders, so I know that it is time for me to get out.

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8 Responses to “A Marine Sergeant Speaks Out”

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Patrick C. Says:
August 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I’m not sure I agree with the premise that the Troops are being indoctrinated to view the Tea Party as the “enemy.” There’s been no such briefing in my sphere of experience, small as it is. I’ll confidently tell you that there’s a sizable (if non-organized) Tea Party contingent among the MPs, and one larger still among our combat-arms cousins. Military members were among the first to identify with the movement when it emerged back in ‘08. I tend to believe the Patriot roots go somewhat deeper in the ranks than what they’re given credit for – which as I’m thinking about it, is probably just as well. Suffice to say that as of right now an anti-TEA briefing would not be received well from where I’m sitting, and I don’t just mean myself.
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Freedom76 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Silent Running Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. officials say

http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/
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Deo Vindice Says:
August 16th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Elias and Mr. Vance,

Well said, both of you. If we had men like you two in command–men of conscience, and who were/are “awakened” to the corruption that has crippled this nation for so long– in the past and now, in the present..think how much more prosperous this country would be right now. God Bless
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Bill Alexander Says:
August 16th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I am Sure there are Members of the Present Military, that would Follows orders against the American Citizens, More over the Majority Will NOT//I have talked to a few Modern Soldiers. of which my daughter and Son in law are Officers in The Air Force, Many, Many Patriot Vets.They are level headed Patriots, very few to Worry about, God Bless them All..they will be on the Right side when and if SHTF…Semper Fi
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SIGO Says:
August 16th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Hoorah, Sergeant!!!
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Jaguar 12 Says:
September 2nd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
>God Bless these men & women serving now and I pray that they return safely from combat operations in the ME.
>We the People will need all the younger and trained help we can get when it comes time to shake off the chains of this tyrannical cwhorporate globalist elite controlled US domestic government!
> I urge others to get on the Right side of History, the Constitution, and the Holy Bible when it comes time.
>This next war will be for ALL the marbles.
God Bless America.
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Shona Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:06 am
This is a plea from a Daughter of a Veteran to all American Military Veterans. All of you have already given so much for your Country and no one has a right to ask anymore of you. But, I’m asking you and Lady Liberty is beckoning to you to step forward once again to face an internal threat from within our Country. We have a Banking Cartel and a rouge criminal government hell bent on the destruction of our Country as a Nation and our sovereignty as a people. We must stand united and not willingly go quietly into the night.
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Norma Says:
September 19th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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Patrick C. Says:
August 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I’m not sure I agree with the premise that the Troops are being indoctrinated to view the Tea Party as the “enemy.” There’s been no such briefing in my sphere of experience, small as it is. I’ll confidently tell you that there’s a sizable (if non-organized) Tea Party contingent among the MPs, and one larger still among our combat-arms cousins. Military members were among the first to identify with the movement when it emerged back in ‘08. I tend to believe the Patriot roots go somewhat deeper in the ranks than what they’re given credit for – which as I’m thinking about it, is probably just as well. Suffice to say that as of right now an anti-TEA briefing would not be received well from where I’m sitting, and I don’t just mean myself.

Patrick C. check this out and you might change your mind. http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-spectrum-operations-in-the-homeland-a-%E2%80%9Cvision%E2%80%9D-of-the-future

This was talked about in the Oath Keeper forums.

Norma

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