Discussion On Voting One’s Conscience
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Bob Fanning, Oath Keeper, Montana Gubernatorial Candidate
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In Montana this week the people were offered a choice between righteous freedom or status-quo servitude. Most chose servitude. Their choice to serve the banking dynasty placed candidate Rick Hill in the winner’s circle, placed the banking cartels in control, and it also placed the military-industrial complex in an enhanced role as a conglomerate agent of the banking oligarchy.
The voters made their choice, and while we would normally suspect that the media had deceived the public, in this case, in Montana, that is not quite true. The people deceived themselves.
Montana voters deceived themselves by playing tricks on their minds, hearts, and consciences. They told themselves the same thing millions of Americans have lately told themselves about Ron Paul’s electability. Their war chant has been, “Oh, he’s not electable, so I must vote for the lesser of two evils. I would rather vote for Ron Paul, but he simply has not got enough support to actually win, and Romney does, so I must vote against Obama by voting for Romney!”
Of course there is nothing new in this scenario. This is a part of the pseudo-intellectual process of the mass mind as it plays out in the political arena of American power struggles between one kind of criminal or another.
I report this not to present some earth-shattering new take on reality, but because in the case of the Montana gubernatorial race of 2012 we had two Oath Keepers in the running.
Bob Fanning, of Pray, Montana, and Joel Boniek, of Livingston, Montana, were running as a team for Governor/Lt.Gov., and both gentlemen are card-carrying Oath Keepers. They had the ticket to freedom. They had the platform for independence. They had the plan which would have saved Montana from the coming Federal tyranny. They had the philosophy which would have reinstated Montana sovereignty. They lost, and during their campaign I often heard from self-assured citizens that Bob and Joel were “unelectable“.
Many Americans have no clue about how important it is to vote one’s conscience. Many self-described “patriots” succumb to voting for the lesser of two evils. They will tell you right up front – “I voted for Ross Perot and helped put Clinton in the White House.” Such people apparently still believe that there was some kind of difference between a Bush, a Clinton, and an Obama. Such people could not move themselves to vote for liberty in the 2012 Montana gubernatorial race.
They tell me now, in the aftermath of the primary vote of June 05, 2012, that they had to vote for the “most electable” candidate in order to ensure that an “R” who could beat the “D” in November won the primary.
Such people actually think that it makes a difference, despite the blatant history of the latter half of the Twentieth Century. I often forget that most people do not read, and among those who do read, many read material which tells them nothing or simply entertains them well. So I am not surprised that a “Banksters’ Bitch” won the Montana GOP gubernatorial primary even though two righteous Oath Keepers offered Montanans a real choice for freedom, prosperity, and independence.
I marvel at mankind’s self-defeating self-deceiving deliberations and their machinations. I marvel at the precise psychological surgery which implants in the mind of mankind this notion of voting against the greater of two evils by voting for the lesser of two evils, and all the while dismissing the righteous on grounds that the righteous is “unelectable”.
If everyone convinces himself that “soft” slavery is to be desired over “hard” slavery, and that freedom is not electable, then I suppose what we’ll have is what we’ve got. So there.
However, I take great pleasure in knowing that more than three thousand Montanans are not deceived by the game-playing of the Federal Reserve System’s dog and pony show, the false left-right paradigm, and the treachery of “R vs D” fear-thinking.
But accompanying this dilemma comes also a tangential topic which is rearing its ugly head as we speak. There is this “father-son” dispute affecting two national names and their offspring. The national names are Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin. Senator Rand Paul has endorsed his father’s opponent in the national contest for the White House.
You read that correctly. Rand Paul has just endorsed Mitt Romney!
As shocking as that is, it overshadows a similar dispute in Chuck Baldwin’s family. Attorney Timothy Baldwin, son of Chuck Baldwin, has published his views on why it is okay to vote for the lesser of two evils, and even goes to the extreme of explaining why sometimes it’s the right thing to do. Here is a passage from Tim Baldwin’s screed -
“Lesser of Two Evils”: this is a phrase many people throw around, as if it holds any substance or adds any value to political discussion. It does not; rather, in most cases, it serves to inflame the prejudices and emotional responses of people frustrated with politics. It also offers an excuse as to why people ignore objectivism, realities, and pragmatics. What people fail to acknowledge is this philosophy does not comport to Natural Law.” (Timothy Baldwin, Attorney)
That of course flies in the face of what Timothy Baldwin’s father has said. Chuck Baldwin published in 2008 an essay on the importance of voting one’s conscience. In his essay he notes,
“When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, ‘He cannot win.’ Or, ‘I don’t want to waste my vote.’ It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don’t think so. In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for the ‘lesser of two evils’.” (Chuck Baldwin)
I find it astonishing that Rand Paul would endorse the Banksters’ Bitch, Romney, who draws his campaign war-chest from the likes of Goldman-Sachs and J.P. Morgan and Citibank, while yet Rand’s own father is trying valiantly to win justice for the American people in this 2012 Presidential contest.
I find it equally astonishing that young Tim Baldwin would diametrically oppose the vision and wisdom of his father regarding the sacred duty to one’s own conscience in the personal act of voting.
Therefore, I am inviting discussion on voting one’s conscience. What might be your comment?
Salute!
Elias Alias
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June 8th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
No one but Ron Paul, for me.
Look, Mitt Romney supporters: Romney isn’t the free market guy you think he is. He is for similar interventionisms as Obama and Bush Jr.
Romney may not be a Marxist like Obama, but he believes it might be a good idea to have a VAT tax, which, as those in the following video note, is the fast track to a European welfare state:
Mitt Romney Open To Value Added Tax (VAT) !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsMIa6E_KUk
Also, Romney’s business experience can’t help him as President because government isn’t a market player – that is, it doesn’t make economic decisions based on profit and loss, like the free market, but rather based on politics. It’s impossible for government to help the economy.
Consider this:
Government cannot be run like a business
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/27/government-cannot-be-run-like-a-business/?print=1
Further, BECAUSE Romney is seen as being pro-free market – instead of the Corporatist that he is – when the inevitable crash comes because of all the “Quantitiative Easing” (i.e. inflation) used to bail out the banks and artificially prop up the US Treasury Bond market, the Marxists will blame the free market, yet again, as they did when Bush Jr.’s interventionism lead to the inevitable housing crash of 2007-08.
The coming crash is inevitable. Crashes are a return to real market prices. But Romney, who believed that the bailouts were necessary, will likely make the coming crash worse because of his Keynesian beliefs.
Unless we deal with the source of economic crashes – which is artificial credit expansion, and NOT wealth inequality – we will end up falling victim to the tyranny of the policies of well-meaning Marxists who have had enough with what they consider to be the free market.
Romney supporters, you are about to piss our freedom away. Listen to those who correctly predicted the recent housing crash using Austrian Economics:
Ron Paul Calls the Housing Collapse in 2003
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S3lXDOQ7ec
Peter Schiff Was Right 2006 – 2007 (2nd Edition)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw
If you want to know HOW THESE PEOPLE KNEW that there was a housing crash coming, then watch this:
Smashing Myths and Restoring Sound Money | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzExlEsIKk
To find out more about the coming bond market crash, watch this:
Peter Schiff: Ben Bernanke is Public Enemy No. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LC1RIljtp8
June 9th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Romney invented Obamacare.He is Prodeath ..He never was a prolife Candadate.Romney said and i Quote” I would have signed the NDAA Act”
He also said ” Every American has to have a National Identification card”..Romney also said ” I’am going to put a 100,000 more troops in the middle East and Africa”. He is no more than another Dictator and was at the Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly Virginia, I went to school there! He has a Narcissistic personality disorder, just like Obama..Rand Paul will never become President as we will never forget that he endorsed a Fascist! If Ron Paul endorses Romney then we will know we were all set up so the elites could know who all the Patriots are! Until then i will be writing Ron Paul’s name on the Ballot I urge everyone to do the same..If all Ron Paul Supporters write him in he will surely win as he overflows stadiums that Romney and Obama can’t even fill the floor seats..I can’t imagine Rand not doing the same..Rand Paul is N.W.O…I pray Ron Paul isn’t a Traitor like his son. Just running to let the elite know who all the Patriots are.after today i think anything is
possible.We and so many other Family’s put thier hearts, souls and money into this , Ron Paul Promised to stick this out till after the National Convention,Yes we feel betrayed.Rand Paul just endorsed Tyranny Romney is a dictator who said” I would have signed the NDAA Act”..He also stated that” all Americans have to have a National Identification card..He invented obamacare, He has always been pro Death..He also said” As President i will put 100,000troops in the Middle East” Evry 80minutes one of our soldiers takes thier own life..we need to really pray and men and women need to refuse to go to war ..It’s Un Constitutional The wars in the middle East and in Africa Romney also was at the Bilderberg meeting..everyone should let Rand Paul know just how they feel about him..I don’t care if Romney makes him is vice President..Romney is evil and Rand is just as evil lowering himself to these Satanists.
June 9th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Residing in a very “Deep Blue Sea” called Illinois, where corruption is so impregnated, from governer to clerk, from police chief to ballot box, it is difficult to explain to someone why you didn’t vote for the “R” or the “D”. I explain it like this. I place my vote on record, I disagree with “all of the above”. The “lesser of two evils” will leave you with what? Still evil, if my math serves me right.
M.S.C.
June 9th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Indefinite Detention.
My understanding is that a ‘proxy’ “speaking for Ron Paul” came out and said Dr. Paul quit. When has Ron Paul not faced what was going on? When has he sent proxies to fight for him anywhere?
Has ANYONE seen Dr. Paul? Is he safe? If he is in ‘indefinite detention – could Rand Paul be doing what he needs to keep him safe?
Remember when the TSA publicly went after Rand Paul at the airport? The key word there was “publicly”. When has the TSA did their criminal acts publicly? Was that a warning to Ron Paul – I have often thought so.
So how can all these Ron Paul supporters feel betrayed, when we do NOT even know what is going on? How can they say the things they have been saying without knowing? Short memories are easily led. Ron Paul has fought a big battle, and all of us who have supported him know just how vicious both the GOP has been.
Hi, is there anyone thinking out there? We do NOT know what has happened. But, I for one would love to know if he is safe at home, or not. Has anyone heard from Jesse Ventura? Is he safe? What about Judge Napolitano, etc – are those who are standing for the People still safe?
June 10th, 2012 at 4:52 am
Here is a very powerful video from Alex Jones regarding the Rand Paul sell-out to Romney -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=hgL7JIpuLxE
Salute!
Elias
June 10th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Read ‘Thirty Pieces of Silver’ by RBN ‘thecommonsenseshow’ radio host, Dave Hodges on Ron Paul. Very timely article.
http://thecommonsenseshow.weebly.com/articles-by-dave-hodges.html
June 10th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Romney supporters,
Regarding Ron Paul’s foreign policy:
Creeping Shariah is a real threat, to be sure – just read some of “Team B II”’s series on “Shariah: The Threat to America”:
Team B links on Breitbart.com
http://www.breitbart.com/Columnists/Team-B
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But this is a separate issue from Ron Paul’s non-interventionist foreign policy – a policy held by Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and even the Republican Party, itself, before it abandoned Constitutional principles.
Third Annual Message to Congress
by Thomas Jefferson
http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=664
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We have seen with sincere concern the flames of war lighted up again in Europe, and nations with which we have the most friendly and useful relations engaged in mutual destruction. While we regret the miseries in which we see others involved let us bow with gratitude to that kind Providence which, inspiring with wisdom and moderation our late legislative councils while placed under the urgency of the greatest wrongs, guarded us from hastily entering into the sanguinary contest, and left us only to look on and to pity its ravages. These will be heaviest on those immediately engaged. Yet the nations pursuing peace will not be exempt from all evil. In the course of this conflict, let it be our endeavor, as it is our interest and desire, to cultivate the friendship of the belligerent nations by every act of justice and of incessant kindness; to receive their armed vessels with hospitality from the distresses of the sea, but to administer the means of annoyance to none; to establish in our harbors such a police as may maintain law and order; to restrain our citizens from embarking individually in a war in which their country takes no part; to punish severely those persons, citizen or alien, who shall usurp the cover of our flag for vessels not entitled to it, infecting thereby with suspicion those of real Americans, and committing us into controversies for the redress of wrongs not our own;
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Washington’s Farewell Address
http://www.heritage.org/initiatives/first-principles/primary-sources/washingtons-farewell-address
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The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.
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War, Ron Paul, and Conservatism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLUoWhWsOWk
Jeffrey Lord Doesn’t Know Founders or Ron Paul
http://www.mikechurch.com/transcripts/jeffrey-lord-doesnt-know-founders-or-ron-paul/
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Ron Paul understands that radical Islamists are dangerous, as shown in this speech from 1998 at about the 35 minute mark:
War and the Constitution | Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo4kdGhsbls
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But it doesnt help that our CIA deposed a foreign Prime Minister for a British oil company:
Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgbOxDX6DE
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It doesn’t help that Bill Clinton was bombing other countries’ civilians:
Ron Paul Predicted 9/11 a Decade Ago!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJTisovvjc
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It doesn’t help that Progressives involved us in WW’s 1 & 2 (Yes, WW2, see below) when we should have stayed out of others’ wars:
Did FDR Provoke Pearl Harbor?
http://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan198.html
Backing Japan Into a Corner
http://lewrockwell.com/rep3/backing-japan-into-corner.html
Rethinking the Good War
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance181.html
Ron Paul as a Stooge for Adolph Hitler
http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block190.html
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It doesn’t help that we are violating Iran’s national sovereignty by presuming to tell them what they may or may not make:
Closing Hormuz
http://lewrockwell.com/block/block193.html
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Conservatives value our troops because they are for protecting Americans’ freedoms – both from outside threats, as well as from threats from our own government.
But Progressivism has so pervaded our government that whether the Democrats or the Republicans are in government, they both adhere to the foreign policy of statist governments.
WE HAVE BECOME the statist country that our Founders designed the Constitution to protect us from (and Bush Jr. is responsible for significant advances toward that end).
Ron Paul’s 2002 Predictions All Come True – Incredible Video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0
Will Holder Fold?
http://lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski277.html
Choose the Constitutionalist, Ron Paul.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:09 am
Austrian, at moments it seems to me that there are two remaining things patriots may consider.
1. Write in Ron Paul no matter what; and
2. Take one’s iron down to the shooting range and practice up a bit.
The fall of America is getting more and more grotesque each passing day.
Salute!
Elias Alias
June 11th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Elias Alias @ comment #8,
It will be a lot easier to show the neocons the tyrannical potential of Bush’s Patriot Act and of the unconstitutional provisions of the 2012 NDAA under a 2nd unconstitutional term of Obama (Obama has continually violated his oath of office, Marxist that he is) than under a Romney Presidency.
And it will be a lot easier to show the Marxists the economic destruction of their Keynesian worldview when the crash from all the phony stimulus Bernanke dumped into the economy comes, too; Not to mention the loss of liberty that comes from their hatred of the free market, which they conflate with Corporatism.
I will write in Ron Paul, if I have to.
Don’t allow the Romney supporters to blame the Paul supporters if Romney gets the nomination and we refuse to vote for him such that Obama gets reelected (unconstitutionally):
I will say that they were presented with a Constitutionalist, and they forgot why government needs to be restrained from a lot of what it does today.
I will not regret pulling votes from Romney because he will reinforce the Left’s conflation of the free market with Corporatism; All that work done to hold back the Unions in Wisconsin? Gone, because, “Wow, where the hell did this HUGE crash in the Bond Market come from on Romney’s watch? Must be that Trickle Down Economics the Republicans are always talking about.”
THAT’S HOW OBAMA WAS ABLE TO GAIN FAVOR after Bush’s interventionism crashed the Housing Market! By seeming to have the moral high ground pertaining to economics.
Romney doesn’t know what to do with economic crashes. This guy thinks the bailouts were necessary. Romney doesn’t know that economic crashes are NECESSARY in order to correct all the malinvestments caused by the prior interventions of government.
And the crash WOULD be relatively short lived, if government just stayed out of the way. THAT’S WHY THE HOUSING MARKET HASN’T CLEARED: because the bailouts kept the necessary crash from happening!:
Why You’ve Never Heard of the Great Depression of 1920 | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czcUmnsprQI
Why the Meltdown Should Have Surprised No One | Peter Schiff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMclXX5msc
Peter Schiff – The Fed Unspun: The Other Side of the Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdB9I79BQRI
Romney would make a horrible President. Vote for the Constitutionalist, Ron Paul, instead.
June 11th, 2012 at 9:54 am
What part of ‘Evil’ don’t those that vote for the ‘Lesser’ of it understand? The majority of people are insane. It’s a wonder we haven’t already self destructed. That said, it’s just a matter of time.