GUNRUNNER: ATF agent tells Fox News ‘Violation of our mandate took place’
May 12, 2011
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by Dave Workman, Seattle Gun Rights Examiner
Blockbuster charges against management of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that the agency violated its own mandate with Project Gunrunner have been leveled by outspoken ATF Agent Jay Dobyns in an interview with Fox News’ senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.
“What happened in Project Gunrunner,” Dobyns told Napolitano, “is that a violation of our mandate took place. We are told by Congress to stand in the way of violent crime and to prevent guns getting into the hands of criminals and during Gunrunner, ATF did exactly the opposite of that and armed the enemy.”
Dobyns is the agent who worked undercover, posing as a Hells Angel. He authored a book about his experiences in No Angel: My Harrowing Undercover Journey to the Inner Circle of the Hells Angels. Dobyns is perhaps the highest profile agency whistleblower to come forward with allegations about the management of Project Gunrunner, and its off-shoot, Operation Fast and Furious, the latter operated out of the Phoenix, AZ field office.
‘There’s a historical and institutional policy within ATF to retaliate against anybody that wants to tell the truth so this won’t be good for me personally but the truth has to get out.’—ATF agent Jay Dobyns
His Tuesday interview with Napolitano on the program Freedom Watch is now available at Sipsey Street Irregulars, and was first posted at No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money, a website operated by blogger John Richardson.
Dobyns told Napolitano that coming forward about the Gunrunner project will not be good for his career.
“There’s a historical and institutional policy within ATF to retaliate against anybody that wants to tell the truth,” he said, “so this won’t be good for me personally, but the truth has to get out.”
The truth, according to Dobyns, is that Project Gunrunner was a “ridiculous plan developed at the highest levels of ATF.” He asserted that the Gunrunner project was aimed at “trying to beef up their own position with regards to crime guns.”
Early in 2009, Attorney General Eric Holder and others in the Obama administration alleged that the majority of guns being recovered at Mexican crime scenes came from the United States. Fingers of blame were pointed at retail gun dealers in southwestern states, and at lax gun laws. Revelations over the past five months have painted a far different picture, however. As on-going probes by Congressman Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley have discovered, gun dealers working with ATF repeatedly expressed concerns about transactions with suspected gunrunners, only to be assured by the agency that the situation was under control.
‘That plan, the flawed plan, resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’—Jay Dobyns
But it was not until hours after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was slain last December that authorities working out of ATF’s Phoenix office made the first arrest of a Fast and Furious suspect, Jaime Avila, who allegedly purchased two guns that were recovered at the Terry crime scene.
Dobyns also insisted that the two top officials in Phoenix, Special Agent in Charge William Newell and Assistant Special Agent in Charge George Gillett, who were in command during Operation Fast and Furious, “were exactly the people responsible for ignoring the threats against me” after his undercover work against the Hells Angels was revealed. In 2008, Dobyns’ home was burned down and his family barely got out alive.
Dobyns also made the startling assertion that “the president and the attorney general are aware of the conclusions that those guys (Newell and Gillett) operate ATF’s business in a reckless and dangerous way, and they did nothing about it.”
During questioning by both the House and Senate Judiciary Committees last week, Holder insisted he did not know about Project Gunrunner’s problems until only “a few weeks ago.” However, this column reported Tuesday that Sen. Grassley personally delivered two letters about Gunrunner to Holder at a meeting Jan. 31 in his office.
‘It’s time for Eric Holder to go home and write his memoirs.’—Alan Gottlieb
Early in the controversy, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms demanded a Capitol Hill investigation, and now there are two in progress. On Feb. 24, as reported by this column, CCRKBA’s Alan Gottlieb called on Holder to investigate Gunrunner or step down. Within days, Holder announced that the Justice Department’s Inspector General was launching a probe. Last week, following Holder’s testimony before the House and Senate committees, Gottlieb called on Holder to resign. Gottlieb recently returned from Arizona, his second trip in the past few weeks.
Gillett has hired an attorney and is now cooperating with the Gunrunner investigations.
“I spilled blood for this agency trying to make sure that suspects don’t get crime guns,” Dobyns said during his nearly five-minute interview with Napolitano, “and in Gunrunner, the exact opposite policy took place.”
Wrapping up his interview, Dobyns said this about the Obama administration: “When the president came into office he demanded transparency in government and there is no transparency on this.”
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