Active Duty Soldier Speaks Up
I intend on following your organization closely while I am in Afghanistan. I want to see it grow and reflect that our military and law enforcement are heavily made up of patriots, not mercenaries, and who fundamentally understand that what is ours already is not the government’s or anyone else’s to give us.
I am the first generation son of a legal Filipino immigrant who cannot understand what these elites in our 2-party system are doing to our country. I have also been an Infantryman since 2004, trained to be what enforces US foreign policy however we are able to.
I take it personally when I see Americans being mistreated and robbed of their own property rights and responsibilities.
Ray
RIP SGT Brennan Gibson. KIA 10DEC2006.
Thanks for your service Ray, I especially like your distinction of Patriots and mercenaries. Keep your head down buddy.
Semper Fi
(RVN 65-66)
Welcome Ray, your honor, and insight adds to all of us.. and as Roy stated, a very nice distinction between Patriots and mercenaries..
Again I say, Welcome Brother.
as a former paratrooper i want to thank you for your service and dedication to the constitution.we felt the same way as you do and we despised lyndon johnson.
Ray,
Thank you for your service, sir.
My family and I appreciate it.
Patrick S. Bamrick
QM2(SW), (ex)USN
1984-1991
Thank you Ray for your comments and patriotism. I am retired Army and love my country and will continue to uphold the Oath I took numerous times through my service career. Stay safe!!
Hey Ray,
As a former Army MP and current L.E.O. I could not agree with you more. Thanks so much for your continued service and dedication to the Constitution and Oath. Stay safe and watch your six.
Mark
PA. Police Officer & Oath Keeper!
my name is bob smith, am a viet vet “62 to 66″, thank all of you for your service, and for all of our comrades whom have fallen. I’am espescially pleased at the attitude of many younger soldier’s whom are seeing the light, i for one can not believe the depths to which this country has fallen, GOD BLESS all of you , and GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Know what your fighting for ray: Bless you and Come home safe, for your world will forever change once you find out the Banker Elite Run this country and they always have…
1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)
2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)
3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)
4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)
5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914
6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the “US Government” held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)
7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)
8. There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)
9. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178) 10. According to the GATT you must have a Social Security number. House Report (103-826)
11. We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System. (Get the Disks)
12. The UN is a One World Super Government. (Get the Disks)
13. No one on this planet has ever been free. This planet is a Slave Colony. There has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations. (Get the Disks)
14. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that “New York City was the capital of the World” and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)
15. Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619, Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)
16. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)
17. You own no property, slaves can’t own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)
18. The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)
19. The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24)
20. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)
21. You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)
22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)
23. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)
24. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)
25. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)
26. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)
27. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)
28. The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)
29. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)
30. Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg. 99. Webster’s 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)
31.” The People” does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
32. The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)
33. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.
34. Everything in the “United States” is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I wonder who bought Klamath lake. Did anyone take the time to check? (Executive Order 12803)
35. We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)
36. The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee
Ray —
Thanks for serving & your comments.
Watch your six!!!
Ray
You make an old Nam Vet proud. Honored to have you aboard. Keep those eyes open over there.
16.Look, folks, I GET the idea that the military should not obey illegal orders. But the military is NOT a co-equal branch of the government. Thus, the military has no business interpreting the meaning of the Constitution or organizing itself to act in a political way. None whatsoever.
The people do not need military “protectors” to step in and save them from themselves. The people can defend the republic without the help of colonels in mirrored sunglasses who decide to make themselves the moral guardians of everybody else.
Movements like this always appear to be “well-meaning.” They always present themselves as the “honorable men” who will step in and rescue the “decadent” and deformed republic from the “dirty politicians.” But doing that is the role of civilians.
Organizing the military to take on the role of “putting things right” is a bad, bad, bad idea. This is the road to fascism.
To anonymous: If a soldier or police officer was to obey an unlawful order, they could and would be held accountable for their actions. It is the duty and responsibility for a soldier or police officer to know the law and uphold and defend the Constitution. It is those who wish to move our country away from the Republic that one should fear, not the military and police. Prey, what do you find to be fascist about the orders or those who would reaffirm their oath? Methinks anonymous does not know how to read a map, nor has the balls to put their real name down.
Anonymous – you sir are wrong. The Vietnam War presented the United States military courts with more cases of the “I was only following orders” defense than any previous conflict. The decisions during these cases reaffirmed that following manifestly illegal orders is not a viable defense from criminal prosecution. In United States v. Keenan, the accused (Keenan) was found guilty of murder after he obeyed in order to shoot and kill an elderly Vietnamese citizen. The Court of Military Appeals held that “the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal.”
The founders intended that ordinary citizens be able to “interpret” the Constitution as it protected their inalienable rights. As as you can see, Military courts have held men accountable for making the right call when they faced such a decision. The order to disarm law abiding citizens for example, is just as unlawful. The myth that the Constitution must be left to lawyers and courts to interpret is overused and transparent. You are either ignorant sir, or a willing traitor.
Jon B. Watts, SMSgt, USAF (ret.)
Ray, Thanks for serving our country!
Ms.Osborn & Mr. Watts, Excellent responses!
Hey, Jon B. Watts, SMSgt, USAF (ret.)…
With all due respect, sir…
We do not need people in the military organizing a Honduran-style coup here in the U.S. The military needs to stay out of politics. Like I said, we do not need military “guardians” stepping in to protect the people from themselves. We can get by without that very nicely, thank you.
Instead of stockpiling ammo and organizing support for a potential coup, why not run for office? Why not set your brain to work coming up with a better plan for health care?
If wanting the military to remain under civilian control makes me a traitor, then that is what I am. But I think George Washington would disagree. He took off his uniform for good when he ran for president. He did that for a very good reason.
You are probably a good American. But you risk becoming what you most despise.
If you really, really want to compare the laws duly passed by our Congress with the illegal decrees issued by Hitler, then I invite you to try making that case to the American people. But do not call yourself a “guardian of the Republic” while organizing to take extra-legal action intended to undermine that republic.
Mr. Annonymous. Which part of the 10 unlawful orders that will not be obeyed mention Honduran or any other style coup? Where does the stockpiling of ammo come in? How about the military \"stepping in\"? All not part of the Oathkeeper creed.
In simple terms, the oathkeepers only reaffirm that they will not violate the laws of the Constitution (which implies not taking \"extra legal\" action in that pursuit.) They will not be tools in the hands of totalitarians.
I agree that fascism and force are not roads to freedom. Neither is Progressivism. Individual Constitutional rights enable the greater good rather than being subject to it. Those that do not defend and support our Constitution are, knowingly or unknowingly, traitors. Socialism itself is unconstitutional. Redistribution of wealth and property is Marxist. Ever watch Dr. Zhivago? If you really care to know what the end of the Progressive road we\’re on will look like, read this book as well – The Bridge at Andau by James Michener
No government can truly work for the \"greater good\" if it usurps the people\’s power only to build an elitist oligarchy (using both parties), as is happening now. We too will have our Bastille day, only our guillotine will be the ballot box.
If you really are a patriotic American, read up on progressivism, socialism, marxism, and most importantly, the Constitution (the 5000 year leap is a great primer.) Once that is done, I think you will be on the side of the Constitution, and as good a liberal as Thomas Jefferson, if you can free your mind from the reassuring chains of Progressive masters.
Sincerely,
Jon
Dear Sir,
A question to you and other soldiers posting on this website:
To my knowledge, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were unconstitutionally started since Congress did not declare them. Doesn\’t this mean you should immediately withdraw from those countries in order to uphold your oath?
Thank you for anyone kind enough to reply.
I think that is a good question, but as you may have picked up, the 10 orders focus on the domestic, and on specific oppressions of our civilian population that are unconstitutional. I think a deploying troop could take that one to court, but I don’t know the latest read on declared wars myself. Any sage words for that one Stewart?
1st of all: Ray, thank you for your service! I will pray for your safe return.
2nd to Mr. Anonymus: It gives me great comfort to know that if this administration, who has declared anyone who questions them a “terrorist”, decides to silence (one way or another) thier desenters, that there are those in the military, police forces and other well trained organizations, who would actually defend us. So to all the Oath Keepers, I say thank you.
anonymous at 5:26pm July 19
You are wrong. The military is our defense against tyranny of the government.
PS. Ray, God Bless you and thank you for defending this country. God Bless all of our armed forces!
To Anonymous,
The situation in Honduras is NOT a coup but rather the thwarting of coup by Zelaya, who happens to be a Hugo-Chavez wannabe.
Ray, know this: I am former Air Force(only 1 year of service, Inadaptable To Military Life)and I support your position. I too will stand up if the time comes to disboey orders. WE THE PEOPLE will not forget.
this is in resonse to J. L. Moignan–Do some research and reading other than what the media says. I 5 minute search brings these up.
US Congress passed the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq on October 11, 2002
The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (Pub.L. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224, enacted September 18, 2001), one of two resolutions commonly known as “AUMF” (the other being “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002″), was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 18, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all “necessary and appropriate force” against those whom he determined “planned, authorized, committed or aided” the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.
So BOTH wars had congressional approval.
Ray, thanks so much for your service, from the bottom of my heart!
What can private citizens do, to get the word out, to our local police dept’s, sheriff dept’s and our armed services about Oathkeepers.
Is it organized in any way? Letter writing campaign or email, to our service men and women? What can I do? Thanks
Hey Ray, thanks for your service and stay involved with Oath Keepers..we need the help of all Patriots. Stay safe and keep a good eye out, trust in your friends and always watch each other
Please come home safe and maybe run for office, we need good men like yourself.
Ray,
You wear the uniform with pride, that is a good thing; I too wore mine with pride, and beleived, at the time, 67-73, that we reall were doing something that was good(in Viet Nam).
But while you are in Afganistan defending American interests(??) you might ask yourself WHAT those interest REALLY might be; and ask WHY it is that while you and others like you shed your blood for what you beleive is someone’s alleged liberty, how it is that the tax funded CIA, a misnomer in itself, is seeing to it that thousands of pounds of Afghani heroin is being shipped into the nation you’ve been told you’re defending. Air America, the CIA fraudulent front for nothing more than a government style Mafia drug operation, even more insidious than the Mafia, is still alive and well. Being in Viet Nam gave them a lucrative drug source; being in Afghanistan gives them another. Am certainly glad that my tax dolalrs are hard at work fighting the alleged “War On Drugs”.
What liberties, according to the government, would I LOSE here in America if we weren’t in Iraq or Afghanistan?? I’ve been losing them year by year long before anyone even heard of the Taliban or AlQuaeda. My real enemies are those whose uniforms are made of blue pin striped suits carrying briefcases and recive my tax dollars to oppress me. Representative government my donkey.
“American Interests” defined means some corporate elitst’s pocket book while good American citizens die in the name of some alleged righteous action of freedom.
I am an Irish-American 2nd generation and I served with many Filipinos. As a matter of fact my wife and kids are Filipino. Filipino’s stood up in the “People March” and stood in front of tanks manned by their fellow citizens. The Army refused to carry out illegal and immoral orders against their fellow brothers and sisters. For this I have the utmost respect and you sir are what being American is all about. Thank you, Salamat!
you can’t defend me or my constitution from that shithole & 2 airplanes CANNOT “knock down” 3 buildings. get your ass HOME now where you can be useful NOT needlessly creating enemies for our country. “Gulf of Tonkin”, USS Liberty, “9/11″, we seem to have forgotten what bullshit is to the point we are all now in grave danger. My military can best protect me INSIDE my totally invaded , infiltrated country, please come home. Osama bin Laden is a good buddy of our gov’t & they would never allow you to find him,, your own commanding officers are laughing at you & that makes Mutiny to get home prefectly lawful. do what ever it takes but get home now & bring your men with you.
Godbless You Soldier!
You keep your head in the game over there!
Some of us are the men that trained those who trained you!
I recon you men are about the best damned Soldiers this country has ever trained.
Whatever the politic’s, me and mine pray for your safe return Ray!
Focus on yourself and the men, we ol’boys will try and lookafter things while you’re away.
Cowboy18
I’m a Vietnam era vet with an opinion (whoopee) on the Oath Keepers premise. It’s kinda preachy so bear with me…
Watch yourself guys. You’re putting the good old US of A on the slippery slope that could jump start something like a South American military junta or banana republic military dictatorship. Just look at the tea baggers and other crazies out there now if you think it’s not possible.
History teaches us that it’s really, really easy to make the leap from concerned citizens who are also veterans to those that advocate a fascist government run like the military.
Bottom line, if you think any of our laws are wrong – change the law, not a citizen’s obligation and duty to at least try and respect it until it is changed.
The other thing to keep in mind also is our right to vote. If you have an elected official that you think is violating our freedoms by supporting laws or certain political party agendas then vote the sucker out of office. But in the meantime, abide our laws but speak out against any law that you think is bogus until you can get it changed.
I can uderstand the Oath Keepers anger at what’s happened to America. Our politicans are directly responsible for the mess we’re in. Ideologically, this country is finished. Intolerance, greed, arrogance and hypocracy have brought America to its knees. Its impossible for this country to unite under one banner which means, no problems will be solved. Big business sold this country out years ago, by exporting our techology to third world countries to increase profits for the rich. Wall street profits while the working class is dismantled and 25 million are out of work or under employed. I’m not sure what the objectives of the Oath Keepers are. If you took any stand against the government,your organization would be crushed with overwhelming force regardless of intent. In ten years, China will own us-It already holds a trillin in US Treasury bonds and could bring our economy down tommorow if it chose to do so.
Good Luck!
USMC Tet-67-68